Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-24 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 20/08/12 14:18, Holger Marzen wrote:
 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, jott27 wrote:

 Rosegarden on Ubuntu 12.04
 My Realtek sound card on HP-Pavilion-dv9500-Notebook does not support
 soundfonts.
 What can I use to get sound working?

 Use Fluidsynth, either standalone as external programm (controlled by
 qsynth for example) or as a DSSI synth module in Rosegarden (very
 recommended).

In my huumble opinion the DSSI version might *not* be recommended for 
long-term archiving and portability of .rg files as it relies on 
availability of the plug-in and soundfont(s) path... And of course 
complexity of the piece ;)

Lorenzo.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-22 Thread Michael J. Wilson
On 08/21/2012 12:16 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On Tuesday, August 21, 2012, John wrote:

 I would like to thank all you respondents who tried to help me..I have
 Jack,  Qsynth, Timidity installed.  But I am at a loss how I can tie all
 these pieces together to produce any sound. How to plug in any of these
 pieces?

 I'm going to defer these basic, common questions to the rest of the community.

I'll take a shot at describing how to use Qsynth as an external 
application.  This works for me with Rosegarden 12.04 and Qsynth 0.3.6 
on Fedora 17.

1) Close any other programs you might be running

2) Start Rosegarden

3) Start Qsynth

4) In Qsynth, click on Setup and make sure Enable MIDI Input is 
checked in the MIDI tab, that jack is selected as the Audio Driver in 
the Audio tab, that Auto Connect JACK Outputs is checked in the Audio 
tab, and that a soundfont is listed in the Soundfonts tab.  If you have 
to change any of this you might have to close and restart both programs 
before going on.

5) In Rosegarden, load the project you want to work on.  Click on Studio 
- Manage MIDI Devices.  In the dialog that pops up, in the top-left box 
(MIDI Playback) there should be something that says General MIDI 
Device - click on this.  To the right of this there should be something 
that says something like Synth input port - this is the Qsynth MIDI 
input.  Click on it.  Click the Close button.

6) Now the MIDI data from Rosegarden should be sent to Qsynth when you 
hit play in Rosegarden, and Qsynth should play sound through your soundcard.

What should be happening if you follow these steps is when you launch 
Rosegarden, it will start the Jack audio server.  Then when you launch 
Qsynth it should connect to the physical outputs on your soundcard via 
the already-launched Jack server.  Rosegarden will handle making the 
correct MIDI connections through its studio manager.  Soundfonts are 
loaded in Qsynth, and other work on your piece is done in Rosegarden.

I would recommend installing qjackctl and using it to manage your audio 
and MIDI connections between different applications.  You can also use 
it to start the Jack audio server with different parameters (do this 
before launching either Rosegarden or Qsynth).

You can also host fluidsynth-dssi directly in Rosegarden.  In my 
experience, sometimes the editors will not launch for DSSI plugins 
unless you modify some network settings (this is not an issue with 
Rosegarden) and I don't remember what I had to do last time I had it 
working.  You will need to be able to launch the editor to select a 
soundfont.

If you want to try this, select a track in Rosegarden by clicking on the 
name of the track.  In the Special Parameters box, under Track 
Parameters click the Device drop-down and select Synth Plugin to 
make that track use a plugin.  Then, under Instrument Parameters click 
the button that says no synth and, in the dialog that pops up, click 
in the Plugin drop-down and select FluidSynth DSSI Plugin (or another 
plugin if you wish).  I believe Rosegarden will automatically connect 
the audio outputs, but you can use qjackctl to verify this.

Good luck!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-21 Thread John
I would like to thank all you respondents who tried to help me..I have Jack,  
Qsynth, Timidity installed.  But I am at a loss how I can tie all these pieces 
together to produce any sound.
How to plug in any of these pieces?
The info message box in rosegarden says visit 
Edit-Preferences-Behaviour-Graphics performance.  There is no obvious way 
to do this !
The Union interface of Ubuntu 12.04 does not lend itself to do things as one 
would do in a KDE environment.
I wonder if linux is getting so smart, that it tends to outsmart itself with 
the increased complexity. Michael McIntyre Tutorial is a great write up, but is 
not geared to modern hardware. It is based on KDE 
and I am lost how to apply it to my Union interface.


John On 2012-08-20, at 4:52 PM, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:

 
 
 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Abrolag wrote:
 
 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:44:02 +0200 (CEST)
 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote:
 
 
 
 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, jott27 wrote:
 
 
 Rosegarden on Ubuntu 12.04
 My Realtek sound card on HP-Pavilion-dv9500-Notebook does not support
 soundfonts.
 What can I use to get sound working?
 
 fluidsynth
 qsynth (=fluidsynth with a GUI)
 
 timidity
 
 Or you could try a really nice softsynth like Yoshimi :)
 
 Not really. Yoshimi does not support soundfonts, which is what the 
 original question was about.
 
 Personally I am not a great fan of Yoshimi/ZynAddSubFX. Yes, it can 
 produce some very good sounds. But I think it has one of the ugliest user 
 interfaces I know, making it very difficult to get a good grip and 
 understanding of the huge number of possibilities this softsynth, I must 
 admit, does have.
 
 But now you will say: start trying the preset libraries. I have, and 
 almost every preset has much too much reverb. Not my piece of cake.
 
 On the other side, there are not that many (native) softsynths for Linux, 
 so everything is welcome: Yoshimi/ZynAddSubFx, hexter, whysynth, amsynth, 
 phasex ...
 
 And someone also compiled native Linux versions of some great stuff 
 from Togu Audio Line (TAL). Take a look here:
 
   http://sourceforge.net/projects/distrho/files/Ports/TAL-Plugins/
 
 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-21 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On Tuesday, August 21, 2012, John wrote:

 I would like to thank all you respondents who tried to help me..I have
 Jack,  Qsynth, Timidity installed.  But I am at a loss how I can tie all
 these pieces together to produce any sound. How to plug in any of these
 pieces?

I'm going to defer these basic, common questions to the rest of the community.

 The info message box in rosegarden says visit Edit-Preferences-Behaviour-
 Graphics performance.  There is no obvious way to do this!

There certainly should be.  I started Rosegarden, went to the Edit menu, found 
Preferences down at the bottom, and the Behavior tab was the first thing up, 
with the Graphics Performance option the very first choice available.

Rosegarden no longer uses KDE, and it looks the same everywhere.  If that 
option really isn't obvious to you, then somebody could have customized your 
particular build of Rosegarden in some weird way.  Distros do that kind of 
thing.  It's annoying.

Anyway, the graphics performance thing is a very minor consideration in the 
scheme of things.

 Michael McIntyre Tutorial is a great write up, but is not geared to modern
 hardware.

Actually, the hardware has changed very little since those days.  If anything, 
the spectrum of hardware out there in the world is less complicated now, 
because all the really good stuff has been discontinued, and everybody is 
dealing with the worst case scenario now.

Rosegarden, however, has changed considerably since those days.  I never went 
back through that old tutorial to bring everything up to date.  I'm afraid 
there's just nothing in it for me, and it would be an enormous amount of work.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-21 Thread david
Linux isn't the problem: the problem is Unity's misguided attempt to 
force apps to share a single menu instead of giving each its own menu in 
its own window (the way every other desktop UI on Linux does).

Replace the worthless Unity interface with XFCE. We had to do that on my 
wife's netbook so she could use single-window programs that were a lot 
less complex than Rosegarden!

On 08/21/2012 02:15 AM, John wrote:
 I would like to thank all you respondents who tried to help me..I have Jack,  
 Qsynth, Timidity installed.  But I am at a loss how I can tie all these 
 pieces together to produce any sound.
 How to plug in any of these pieces?
 The info message box in rosegarden says visit 
 Edit-Preferences-Behaviour-Graphics performance.  There is no obvious way 
 to do this !
 The Union interface of Ubuntu 12.04 does not lend itself to do things as one 
 would do in a KDE environment.
 I wonder if linux is getting so smart, that it tends to outsmart itself with 
 the increased complexity. Michael McIntyre Tutorial is a great write up, but 
 is not geared to modern hardware. It is based on KDE
 and I am lost how to apply it to my Union interface.

 John On 2012-08-20, at 4:52 PM, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:

 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Abrolag wrote:

 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:44:02 +0200 (CEST)
 Martin Tarenskeenm.tarensk...@zonnet.nl  wrote:

 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, jott27 wrote:

 Rosegarden on Ubuntu 12.04
 My Realtek sound card on HP-Pavilion-dv9500-Notebook does not support
 soundfonts.
 What can I use to get sound working?

 fluidsynth
 qsynth (=fluidsynth with a GUI)

 timidity

 Or you could try a really nice softsynth like Yoshimi :)

 Not really. Yoshimi does not support soundfonts, which is what the
 original question was about.

 Personally I am not a great fan of Yoshimi/ZynAddSubFX. Yes, it can
 produce some very good sounds. But I think it has one of the ugliest user
 interfaces I know, making it very difficult to get a good grip and
 understanding of the huge number of possibilities this softsynth, I must
 admit, does have.

 But now you will say: start trying the preset libraries. I have, and
 almost every preset has much too much reverb. Not my piece of cake.

 On the other side, there are not that many (native) softsynths for Linux,
 so everything is welcome: Yoshimi/ZynAddSubFx, hexter, whysynth, amsynth,
 phasex ...

 And someone also compiled native Linux versions of some great stuff
 from Togu Audio Line (TAL). Take a look here:

  http://sourceforge.net/projects/distrho/files/Ports/TAL-Plugins/

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound

2012-08-21 Thread jimmy


--- On Tue, 8/21/12, John wildber...@cogeco.ca wrote:

 I would like to thank all you respondents who tried to help
 me..I have Jack,  Qsynth, Timidity installed.  But
 I am at a loss how I can tie all these pieces together to
 produce any sound.
 How to plug in any of these pieces?

There are many Linux Distributions (a.k.a Distros) out there, a very few 
distros are customized for MIDI related music:  Musix, Studio64, Ubuntu 
Studio...

Those distributions should have all the apps above and should also have 
Rosegarden setup to run from the desktop menu.

If you try most other Linux distros, chances are they are missing lots of 
setup applications and configurations.  Lots and lots of info, too much to 
share in a couple of email messages.  Chances are one would be wasting lots of 
time trying to figure things out without some working examples.

Your best bet would be to try one of the above mentioned distributions, at 
least their LiveCD.  Booting up from the LiveCD, and run the apps, then inspect 
the settings for each of those apps and how they are tied together.  Those 
LiveCD should be the best way for self learning if one spend the time to look 
around.  These are excellent working examples to learn from.



 The Union interface of Ubuntu 12.04 does not lend itself to
 do things as one would do in a KDE environment.
 I wonder if linux is getting so smart, that it tends to
 outsmart itself with the increased complexity. Michael
 McIntyre Tutorial is a great write up, but is not geared to
 modern hardware. It is based on KDE 
 and I am lost how to apply it to my Union interface.

I think you mean Unison, not Union?  Or, perhaps I could be wrong, because I 
don't even touch *buntu stuff.

With most major Linux distros, you can run KDE, GNOME, Unity, LXDE, Fluxbox, or 
any desktop environment.  Just happens that the default desktop is chosen as 
one way to use Linux.  There is no restriction if you want to use other 
desktop environment.  So if one doesn't like Unity, install and run with a 
different desktop environment.  Most people are just so afraid of trying other 
options, or choices, or afraid they may break the computer.  Or they were 
conditioned by Apple, or Microsoft, or their cell phone and PDA that they 
don't dare to try anything else.

Every application has its own interface defined by their developers.  They will 
decide what they want to do.  The desktop environments is just another 
application.  So one should learn how to use each application and don't pretend 
all the apps are one and the same thing.

If you think in Windows everything look the same, perhaps you should look at 
the different versions of Windows, every new version of recent releases, people 
have to learn a whole new way of doing thing, especially with the countless 
system settings.  Such a waste of time.

Stick with one way of doing thing and be productive instead of wasting lots of 
time tweaking with how things look every few months because things look old.

Jimmy



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[Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-20 Thread jott27

Rosegarden on Ubuntu 12.04
My Realtek sound card on HP-Pavilion-dv9500-Notebook does not support
soundfonts.
What can I use to get sound working?
John
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-20 Thread Alf Tonny Bätz
on of the thing you can install is qsynth, and let it load the
soundfont., the qsynt will apear as a softsynt in rosegarden

Regards Alf Tonny Bätz

2012/8/20 jott27 wildber...@cogeco.ca:

 Rosegarden on Ubuntu 12.04
 My Realtek sound card on HP-Pavilion-dv9500-Notebook does not support
 soundfonts.
 What can I use to get sound working?
 John
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-20 Thread Martin Tarenskeen


On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, jott27 wrote:


 Rosegarden on Ubuntu 12.04
 My Realtek sound card on HP-Pavilion-dv9500-Notebook does not support
 soundfonts.
 What can I use to get sound working?

fluidsynth
qsynth (=fluidsynth with a GUI)

timidity

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-20 Thread Abrolag
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:44:02 +0200 (CEST)
Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote:

 
 
 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, jott27 wrote:
 
 
  Rosegarden on Ubuntu 12.04
  My Realtek sound card on HP-Pavilion-dv9500-Notebook does not support
  soundfonts.
  What can I use to get sound working?
 
 fluidsynth
 qsynth (=fluidsynth with a GUI)
 
 timidity

Or you could try a really nice softsynth like Yoshimi :)

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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

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