Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-29 Thread Abrolag
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:31:44 +0200
Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolag abro...@users.sourceforge.netwrote:
 
  On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
  david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
 
  Guitarists are like cats.
 
 
 Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists?
 
 R

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-29 Thread david
On 09/29/2012 04:44 AM, Abrolag wrote:
 On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:31:44 +0200
 Richard Bownrichard.b...@ferventsoftware.com  wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolagabro...@users.sourceforge.netwrote:

 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
 davidgn...@hawaii.rr.com  wrote:

 Guitarists are like cats.


 Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists?

 R

 Now *there's* an interesting concept.

Life with Dennis Coffey and the Detroit Guitar Band?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Michael Gerdau
  Isn't that basically asking for a free lunch ?

 Isn't everything in the open source world?

You think so ?

I clearly differ. For me it has to do with rights, knowledge and being
in control, at least potentially.

Just an example:
Logic Studio is sold for 149 € in Apple's App store. Featurewise it is
several generations ahead of Rosegarden and in many aspects of Ardour as
well although Ardour delivers a couple of really nice things.

When you shell out your 149 € you have a full featured music production
and performing system with a bunch of very nice soft instruments. For
me it runs out of the box. No such thing as incompatible this and missing
that. Yes, I can reliably crash Logic. Yes, you need a Mac to run it (but
you can as well put Linux on that box - them Retina Displays are really
nice... ;)

To sum it up:
From a feature and time invested to get it working point of view I have
yet to find an open source product that is even remotely in the same
league as programs like Logic (and I assume all of Logic's commercial
competitors).

  And as an afterthought:
  If a guitar player wishes to play around with arbitrarily pitched
  strings
  he should transpose it himself. He'll learn something that way. Or even
  learn to transpose on the fly. Not that I'd consider that more useful
  than properly mastering the instrument in the first place.

 Part of the reason popular music is so popular is because people who
 don't spend a vast chunk of their lives mastering rigid rules can have
 fun making noise.  I find it a lot more relaxing than trying to do
 anything the correct way.

Again:
You think so ?

It is my impression that the truely successful popular music is mostly
written AND performed by musicians that have learned things the
correct way (as you put it).

This even goes for musicians that never had proper teaching but instead
spent hour by hour learning their instrument on their own for many years.
A couple of guitar heros fall into this category.

I also think some of the stuff that's created by music illiterates
the easy way might be commercially successful at least for a short
period of time but it is not lasting in any way.

I'm aware this is a requirement that might not fit with some other's.

Again just my 0.02 €, best wishes,
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Johan Vromans
r...@hydrophones.com writes:

 Is now the time to point out many people play guitar with alternative
 tunings?  I know I do, it makes it MUCH easier.  Notice how many
 performers keep switching guitars between songs, that is probably because
 the guitars are tuned differently - i.e. to make the song easy to play.

Sometimes, but not often.

To be more precise: I estimate 90% of the guitar players to play in the
standard tuning. Professionals often change guitars due to the specific
sound (e.g., acoustig, electical, nylon versus steel versus phosphor,
jazz-guitar versus country guitar, fender versus gibson), technical
issues (e.g., piezo versus soundhole element, single coil versus
humbucker) and not in the least, the playability of a specific piece on
a specific guitar (e.g., small versus wide neck, cut away).

Of the guitarists I've seen playing with differing tunings, most played
in DADGAD and switched guitars for the exactly the same reasons as
mentioned above.

Only very few did change guitars because of the tuning. Most of them
just retune on stage.

Of course, I've seen only a limited number of guitarists...

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Bown
On 24 Sep 2012, at 12:56, Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl wrote:

 Of course, I've seen only a limited number of guitarists...

I think it's safe to say N guitarists = at least N+1 opinions.  I have some too 
of course but I'm keeping schtum.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Abrolag
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

 On 09/20/2012 08:06 AM, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:
 
  How many guitarist does it take to change a light-bulb?
  2.  1 to do it, the other to explain how much better they could have
  done it.   ;-)
 
 And two more guitarists to explain how much better it would have sounded 
 if they'd used a custom-wound pickup coil or a different setting on 
 their effects pedal or ran the output through this model amp instead of 
 that model amp.
 
 My guitarist thinks an arpeggio is a synthesizer effect. ;-)


Guitarists are like cats.
They can never be truly domesticated.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Bown
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolag abro...@users.sourceforge.netwrote:

 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
 david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

 Guitarists are like cats.


Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists?

R
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread gnome
Leo Kottke travels with a huge pile of acoustic guitars for 2 reasons. One is 
he uses a lot of different open tunings. The other is that when a guitar goes 
out of tune, he swaps it for another guitar while an assistant off-stage 
retunes the first guitar.

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 Michael Gerdau m...@qata.de wrote: 
  Is now the time to point out many people play guitar with alternative
  tunings?  I know I do, it makes it MUCH easier.  Notice how many
  performers keep switching guitars between songs, that is probably because
  the guitars are tuned differently - i.e. to make the song easy to play.
 
 And I had thought that's because a Gibson sounds different than a
 Stratocaster than a Les Paul than an accoustic guitar than a 12 string
 guitar...
 
 Pls forgive my ignorance. Again learned something new...
 
 Best wishes,
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread gnome
 Abrolag abro...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: 
 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
 david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
 
  On 09/20/2012 08:06 AM, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:
  
   How many guitarist does it take to change a light-bulb?
   2.  1 to do it, the other to explain how much better they could have
   done it.   ;-)
  
  And two more guitarists to explain how much better it would have sounded 
  if they'd used a custom-wound pickup coil or a different setting on 
  their effects pedal or ran the output through this model amp instead of 
  that model amp.
  
  My guitarist thinks an arpeggio is a synthesizer effect. ;-)
 
 
 Guitarists are like cats.
 They can never be truly domesticated.

Or herded.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-24 Thread david
On 09/24/2012 07:31 AM, Richard Bown wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolag wrote:

 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
 david wrote:

 Guitarists are like cats.

 Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists?

 R

I've always left the task of managing software developers up to project 
managers. I believe they've received gene mods and biotech implants 
developed for that specific task.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-23 Thread Johan Vromans
Al Thompson althompso...@gmail.com writes:

 Well, he's RIGHT!  There's no possible way for standard notation to
 indicate on which string and at what fret any particular note is to be
 played, and most notes on a guitar can be played in multiple locations.

Depends on what you call 'standard notation'. I've seen quite a few
sheets [for classical guitar] with exact fingerings, which is already a
very good hint for the actual fret positions, but sometimes also
including explicit fret positions.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-23 Thread Stephen H. Dawson
Yes, Johan has finally asked the most targeted question of this thread.



http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Guitar+notation
Guitar Notation = Tablature, really?  Sounds bias to me, but the WWW is 
wide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablature
indicating instrument fingering rather than musical pitches.

So much for a common system of identification.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizationally_Unique_Identifier
HA!, not that would not work here.   ;-)




http://www.acousticguitar.com/lessons/notation/notation.shtml
-Articulations, that is the most effective thing for me the years.
-Fingering, when *really* necessary, depending upon the reading audience.


How about 6-months of guitar lessons?  That would solve a lot of problems.


-S



On 09/23/2012 08:19 AM, Johan Vromans wrote:
 Al Thompson althompso...@gmail.com writes:

 Well, he's RIGHT!  There's no possible way for standard notation to
 indicate on which string and at what fret any particular note is to be
 played, and most notes on a guitar can be played in multiple locations.
 Depends on what you call 'standard notation'. I've seen quite a few
 sheets [for classical guitar] with exact fingerings, which is already a
 very good hint for the actual fret positions, but sometimes also
 including explicit fret positions.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-22 Thread david
On 09/20/2012 01:31 PM, Al Thompson wrote:
 On 09/20/2012 01:54 PM, david wrote:
 My lead guitarist's response to the whole thing of scores was that
 tablature is the only real guitar score, since it specifies string and
 fret. But his non-tab music reading skills are pretty limited (no
 classical training and he doesn't finger pick at all).

 So his reading would have been that the score doesn't give him the exact
 note. ;-)

 Well, he's RIGHT!  There's no possible way for standard notation to
 indicate on which string and at what fret any particular note is to be
 played, and most notes on a guitar can be played in multiple locations.

I agree, Al. (I play guitar, too.) But he's also the sort that wants to 
be told exactly what to do, rather than try it himself. He's a much 
better guitarist than I am, so I could sit there and say, Play it this 
way, but I might be saying that only because I'm not able to play it 
the way I'd really prefer. I'd rather not apply my guitar-playing 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-22 Thread david
On 09/20/2012 08:50 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On 09/20/2012 08:48 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

 Not to mention the lengthy (and rather boring :) debate about how
 harmonics should be notated, that is if the real note should be notated
 or the note corresponding to the guitar position (or in some cases even
 both!)

 If it makes you feel better, guitar is not the only instrument with
 *that* problem by far.

I think notation runs into that kind of limitation with a number of 
instruments. Leaves things up to the player, room for interpretation.

Has the problem been addressed for synthesizers - some way to include 
all the settings needed to correctly reproduce the sound?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-22 Thread david
On 09/20/2012 08:06 AM, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:

 How many guitarist does it take to change a light-bulb?
 2.  1 to do it, the other to explain how much better they could have
 done it.   ;-)

And two more guitarists to explain how much better it would have sounded 
if they'd used a custom-wound pickup coil or a different setting on 
their effects pedal or ran the output through this model amp instead of 
that model amp.

My guitarist thinks an arpeggio is a synthesizer effect. ;-)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-20 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 20/09/12 09:25, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On 09/19/2012 10:14 PM, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

 How do I make a piece I'm working on sound like the guitar
 i.e. 1 octave lower than the treble staff (normally) used
 for notation without changing the latter?
 There are a few ways.  In a new piece you can use Create segments with
 in Track Parameters to set the track up ahead of time so that the
 notation you draw there will come out using the guitar clef.

 In an existing piece, you can change the clef to a guitar clef manually
 by double clicking the clef, then editing it until it shows Treble down
 an octave.

 I haven't played with that in the longest time, and don't have time to
 set up my MIDI rig to experiment.  Last time I worked on that code,
 years ago, all the specialty clefs were working, and setting that up
 should get just the result you want.

 You could also do this using a standard treble clef and setting the
 transpose in Segment Parameters to -12.

Personally I think that especially if you're going to print/export the 
score, this is the best option for one reason: 99% of (classical) guitar 
scores I've ever seen use a standard treble clef and give for granted 
that the guitar is a 'transposing' instrument. Wikipedia seems to 
contradict this [1] and says the octave clef is used for guitar from the 
18th century. Go figure.

Lorenzo

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef#Octave_clefs


 There are probably other ways still.  See how far you get with this much.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen H. Dawson
This topic was covered in my schooling, in my last semester, by my 
composition instructor.  He is a smart guy.  He did not know the guitar 
was understood to be played one octave removed.

I recommend either the old school or the new school way.

Old School:
Put the label at the top of the 1st page, ...for guitar

New School:
Enter every note the exact way you want it played.

Reality:
You will have to tell every guitarist that reads sheet music, all of 
about 5% of the music world, that you want them to play that exact 
note.  Having played TAB since 1977 and standard notation since 1981, 
the standard notation in the guitar world is still small.


What is the application that you need the latter approach?  Can the 
label approach suffice for your needs?

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On 09/20/2012 03:49 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 On 20/09/12 09:25, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On 09/19/2012 10:14 PM, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

 How do I make a piece I'm working on sound like the guitar
 i.e. 1 octave lower than the treble staff (normally) used
 for notation without changing the latter?
 There are a few ways.  In a new piece you can use Create segments with
 in Track Parameters to set the track up ahead of time so that the
 notation you draw there will come out using the guitar clef.

 In an existing piece, you can change the clef to a guitar clef manually
 by double clicking the clef, then editing it until it shows Treble down
 an octave.

 I haven't played with that in the longest time, and don't have time to
 set up my MIDI rig to experiment.  Last time I worked on that code,
 years ago, all the specialty clefs were working, and setting that up
 should get just the result you want.

 You could also do this using a standard treble clef and setting the
 transpose in Segment Parameters to -12.
 Personally I think that especially if you're going to print/export the
 score, this is the best option for one reason: 99% of (classical) guitar
 scores I've ever seen use a standard treble clef and give for granted
 that the guitar is a 'transposing' instrument. Wikipedia seems to
 contradict this [1] and says the octave clef is used for guitar from the
 18th century. Go figure.

 Lorenzo

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef#Octave_clefs

 There are probably other ways still.  See how far you get with this much.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-20 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 20/09/12 13:12, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:
 This topic was covered in my schooling, in my last semester, by my
 composition instructor.  He is a smart guy.  He did not know the guitar
 was understood to be played one octave removed.

 I recommend either the old school or the new school way.

 Old School:
 Put the label at the top of the 1st page, ...for guitar

 New School:
 Enter every note the exact way you want it played.

 Reality:
 You will have to tell every guitarist that reads sheet music, all of
 about 5% of the music world, that you want them to play that exact
 note.

Not to mention the lengthy (and rather boring :) debate about how 
harmonics should be notated, that is if the real note should be notated 
or the note corresponding to the guitar position (or in some cases even 
both!)

Lorenzo.

   Having played TAB since 1977 and standard notation since 1981,
 the standard notation in the guitar world is still small.


 What is the application that you need the latter approach?  Can the
 label approach suffice for your needs?

 Thank You,
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 (865) 804-3454
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shdcs


 On 09/20/2012 03:49 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 On 20/09/12 09:25, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On 09/19/2012 10:14 PM, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

 How do I make a piece I'm working on sound like the guitar
 i.e. 1 octave lower than the treble staff (normally) used
 for notation without changing the latter?
 There are a few ways.  In a new piece you can use Create segments with
 in Track Parameters to set the track up ahead of time so that the
 notation you draw there will come out using the guitar clef.

 In an existing piece, you can change the clef to a guitar clef manually
 by double clicking the clef, then editing it until it shows Treble down
 an octave.

 I haven't played with that in the longest time, and don't have time to
 set up my MIDI rig to experiment.  Last time I worked on that code,
 years ago, all the specialty clefs were working, and setting that up
 should get just the result you want.

 You could also do this using a standard treble clef and setting the
 transpose in Segment Parameters to -12.
 Personally I think that especially if you're going to print/export the
 score, this is the best option for one reason: 99% of (classical) guitar
 scores I've ever seen use a standard treble clef and give for granted
 that the guitar is a 'transposing' instrument. Wikipedia seems to
 contradict this [1] and says the octave clef is used for guitar from the
 18th century. Go figure.

 Lorenzo

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef#Octave_clefs

 There are probably other ways still.  See how far you get with this much.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-20 Thread david
My lead guitarist's response to the whole thing of scores was that 
tablature is the only real guitar score, since it specifies string and 
fret. But his non-tab music reading skills are pretty limited (no 
classical training and he doesn't finger pick at all).

So his reading would have been that the score doesn't give him the exact 
note. ;-)

On 09/20/2012 02:48 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 On 20/09/12 13:12, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:
 This topic was covered in my schooling, in my last semester, by my
 composition instructor.  He is a smart guy.  He did not know the guitar
 was understood to be played one octave removed.

 I recommend either the old school or the new school way.

 Old School:
 Put the label at the top of the 1st page, ...for guitar

 New School:
 Enter every note the exact way you want it played.

 Reality:
 You will have to tell every guitarist that reads sheet music, all of
 about 5% of the music world, that you want them to play that exact
 note.

 Not to mention the lengthy (and rather boring :) debate about how
 harmonics should be notated, that is if the real note should be notated
 or the note corresponding to the guitar position (or in some cases even
 both!)

 Lorenzo.

Having played TAB since 1977 and standard notation since 1981,
 the standard notation in the guitar world is still small.


 What is the application that you need the latter approach?  Can the
 label approach suffice for your needs?

 Thank You,
 Stephen H. Dawson
 (865) 804-3454
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shdcs


 On 09/20/2012 03:49 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 On 20/09/12 09:25, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On 09/19/2012 10:14 PM, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

 How do I make a piece I'm working on sound like the guitar
 i.e. 1 octave lower than the treble staff (normally) used
 for notation without changing the latter?
 There are a few ways.  In a new piece you can use Create segments with
 in Track Parameters to set the track up ahead of time so that the
 notation you draw there will come out using the guitar clef.

 In an existing piece, you can change the clef to a guitar clef manually
 by double clicking the clef, then editing it until it shows Treble down
 an octave.

 I haven't played with that in the longest time, and don't have time to
 set up my MIDI rig to experiment.  Last time I worked on that code,
 years ago, all the specialty clefs were working, and setting that up
 should get just the result you want.

 You could also do this using a standard treble clef and setting the
 transpose in Segment Parameters to -12.
 Personally I think that especially if you're going to print/export the
 score, this is the best option for one reason: 99% of (classical) guitar
 scores I've ever seen use a standard treble clef and give for granted
 that the guitar is a 'transposing' instrument. Wikipedia seems to
 contradict this [1] and says the octave clef is used for guitar from the
 18th century. Go figure.

 Lorenzo

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef#Octave_clefs

 There are probably other ways still.  See how far you get with this much.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-20 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 09/20/2012 08:48 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

 Not to mention the lengthy (and rather boring :) debate about how
 harmonics should be notated, that is if the real note should be notated
 or the note corresponding to the guitar position (or in some cases even
 both!)

If it makes you feel better, guitar is not the only instrument with 
*that* problem by far.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-20 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 20/09/12 19:54, david wrote:
 My lead guitarist's response to the whole thing of scores was that
 tablature is the only real guitar score, since it specifies string and
 fret.

Sorry not meaning to be picky on the guitar-notation affair, and more of 
a classical guitar player here.. but this is false.
Traditional notation can include fingering, frets and strings. Standard 
is usually to represent fingerings as (Arab) numbers (1 to 4), frets by 
Roman numbers and strings with numbers in circles. That said many 
classical compositions do not specify the fingering etc. or because a) 
there is only one way to play the written notes b) the player is left 
the liberty to chose the fingering...

Lorenzo.

  But his non-tab music reading skills are pretty limited (no
 classical training and he doesn't finger pick at all).

 So his reading would have been that the score doesn't give him the exact
 note. ;-)

 On 09/20/2012 02:48 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 On 20/09/12 13:12, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:
 This topic was covered in my schooling, in my last semester, by my
 composition instructor.  He is a smart guy.  He did not know the guitar
 was understood to be played one octave removed.

 I recommend either the old school or the new school way.

 Old School:
 Put the label at the top of the 1st page, ...for guitar

 New School:
 Enter every note the exact way you want it played.

 Reality:
 You will have to tell every guitarist that reads sheet music, all of
 about 5% of the music world, that you want them to play that exact
 note.

 Not to mention the lengthy (and rather boring :) debate about how
 harmonics should be notated, that is if the real note should be notated
 or the note corresponding to the guitar position (or in some cases even
 both!)

 Lorenzo.

 Having played TAB since 1977 and standard notation since 1981,
 the standard notation in the guitar world is still small.


 What is the application that you need the latter approach?  Can the
 label approach suffice for your needs?

 Thank You,
 Stephen H. Dawson
 (865) 804-3454
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shdcs


 On 09/20/2012 03:49 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 On 20/09/12 09:25, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
 On 09/19/2012 10:14 PM, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

 How do I make a piece I'm working on sound like the guitar
 i.e. 1 octave lower than the treble staff (normally) used
 for notation without changing the latter?
 There are a few ways.  In a new piece you can use Create segments with
 in Track Parameters to set the track up ahead of time so that the
 notation you draw there will come out using the guitar clef.

 In an existing piece, you can change the clef to a guitar clef manually
 by double clicking the clef, then editing it until it shows Treble down
 an octave.

 I haven't played with that in the longest time, and don't have time to
 set up my MIDI rig to experiment.  Last time I worked on that code,
 years ago, all the specialty clefs were working, and setting that up
 should get just the result you want.

 You could also do this using a standard treble clef and setting the
 transpose in Segment Parameters to -12.
 Personally I think that especially if you're going to print/export the
 score, this is the best option for one reason: 99% of (classical) guitar
 scores I've ever seen use a standard treble clef and give for granted
 that the guitar is a 'transposing' instrument. Wikipedia seems to
 contradict this [1] and says the octave clef is used for guitar from the
 18th century. Go figure.

 Lorenzo

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef#Octave_clefs

 There are probably other ways still.  See how far you get with this much.




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-20 Thread Al Thompson
On 09/20/2012 01:54 PM, david wrote:
 My lead guitarist's response to the whole thing of scores was that 
 tablature is the only real guitar score, since it specifies string and 
 fret. But his non-tab music reading skills are pretty limited (no 
 classical training and he doesn't finger pick at all).

 So his reading would have been that the score doesn't give him the exact 
 note. ;-)

Well, he's RIGHT!  There's no possible way for standard notation to
indicate on which string and at what fret any particular note is to be
played, and most notes on a guitar can be played in multiple locations.
 

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[Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

2012-09-19 Thread k-12


How do I make a piece I'm working on sound like the guitar
i.e. 1 octave lower than the treble staff (normally) used 
for notation without changing the latter?  

 

   

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