Re: [Rosegarden-user] How should I use RoseGarden

2015-09-18 Thread Anton Curl
Thanks for your reply. This is really interesting, and the result is 
quite good. I take a note of that for later.
But currently, I use Rosegarden for composing more that recording, and 
I'd like something more ambulant and working offline on a single machine.

However, I've a question. When you create a MIDI track in RoseGarden, 
which MIDI output do your use ? do you create a dedicated MIDI device 
for each track ?

Using only jack and not plugins makes the creation of a track longer, 
and it imposes to use a session manager. But if I can't find a better 
solution, I think I'll go that way.

On 18/09/2015 03:04, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
> Hi Anton,
>
> My friends and I use Rosegarden with JACK and pretty much forget about the
> plugins.  We use a combination of external hardware synths and soft
> synths.
> Fluidsynth with soundfonts remains popular (the website http://wowsia.com
> provides an almost endless supply, I think they have over a TeraByte
> worth).
>
> We also use an extension on JACK (that used to be called NetJACK, but has
> been incorporated into recent versions of JACK) see for example:
>
> https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/WalkThrough_User_NetJack
>
> and,
>
> https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/WalkThrough_User_NetJack2
>
> This allows soft synths to run on separate dedicated machines, which may
> or may not, have analog sound capability.
>
> My main synth studio rig has one machine with a high-end multichannel
> sound card that does nothing much more than take inputs from other
> devices.  Synthesis is all done on other machines as is recording.
> RoseGarden is run on the recording machine with a big monitor and graphics
> cards.  NetJack ties it all together.
>
> Examples of the results can be heard on the Jazz channels of:
>
> http://finevenuemusic.com
>
> and
>
> http://lowcostrestaurantmusic.com
>
> The "Space of Hearts" channels includes work by other artists, but also
> mostly done with RoseGarden on Linux.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Rich Marschall


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How should I use RoseGarden

2015-09-18 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
Hi,

I'll try to share some info/experience.

On 17/09/2015 20:16, Anton Curl wrote:

> Here is my situation:
> - I'd like to use multiple soundfonts in multiple formats: sf2, gig and sfz

AFAIK situation on linux is:
- sf2: fluidsynth and derivates (qsynth, fluidsynth dssi), linuxsampler 
(not very good for sf2 IMHO), Carla?
- gig: linuxsampler
- sfz:linuxsampler

> - Sometimes, I have several banks for one instrument. For instance a
> guitar with a normal sound and a muted sound.
> - I'd like something simple, ie. I open my file in RoseGarden, I press
> "play" and there is sound.

For this using DSSI plug-ins internally would be the best as your 
Rosegarden file would be somewhat 'self-contained'

>
> Currently, I only use SF2 files with fluidsynth dssi plugin, because
> LinuxSampler plugin don't remember the configuration.

I think with qsampler (linuxsampler frontend) you can save the 
configuration (I'm talking about using it externally, I never managed to 
get the DSSI to work).

> When I have an instrument with several sound, I use several tracks.
> Maybe is there a easier way to do this, for example with program changes
> ? (even if the different sounds are not from the same soundfont file)

Program changes could work if you had the other way round, i.e. one 
track with multiple 'instruments' (sounds - think a string tracks with a 
strings sound and switching in some moments to pizzicato). If you're 
talking of the same notes to be played by multple 'instruments' the best 
would be to rout that midi output to multiple synths/sounds.

>
> Recently I've discovered Carla, but it's only available as lv2 plugin,
> which RoseGarden does not support. I've tried to connect RoseGarden and
> Carla with jack connections, but It's not very practicle. I create a
> midi device for each track which I connect to the input of the soundfont
> created by Carla. Maybe is there also a better way to do this ?

I have near zero experience with Carla, but on Linux you should get 
familiar with the jack paradigm of routing (both audio and MIDI) between 
different software. At the beginning it may seem overwhelming and more 
time-consuming, especially if you've been used to the do-it-all software 
e.g. on other systems, but once you get used to it you'll appreciate the 
flexibility it gives you

That said there's a whole chapter of so-called 'session management', 
which means various strategies to snapshot a 'session' of applications 
interconnected through jack and then retrieve and manage that state. 
Actually doing this isn't at all trivial and various 
standards/software/paradigms exist. It is a lengthy and highly debated 
topic in the Linux Audio community and a search for 'jack audio session 
management' especially on the Linux Audio Users mailing list will 
provide quite a bit of insight.

Lorenzo.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How should I use RoseGarden

2015-09-18 Thread Anton Curl
On 18/09/2015 09:58, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'll try to share some info/experience.
>
> On 17/09/2015 20:16, Anton Curl wrote:
>
>> Here is my situation:
>> - I'd like to use multiple soundfonts in multiple formats: sf2, gig and sfz
> AFAIK situation on linux is:
> - sf2: fluidsynth and derivates (qsynth, fluidsynth dssi), linuxsampler
> (not very good for sf2 IMHO), Carla?
> - gig: linuxsampler
> - sfz:linuxsampler
Carla should read them all.
>> - Sometimes, I have several banks for one instrument. For instance a
>> guitar with a normal sound and a muted sound.
>> - I'd like something simple, ie. I open my file in RoseGarden, I press
>> "play" and there is sound.
> For this using DSSI plug-ins internally would be the best as your
> Rosegarden file would be somewhat 'self-contained'
>
>> Currently, I only use SF2 files with fluidsynth dssi plugin, because
>> LinuxSampler plugin don't remember the configuration.
> I think with qsampler (linuxsampler frontend) you can save the
> configuration (I'm talking about using it externally, I never managed to
> get the DSSI to work).
The advantage of using plugins is that I have one single file to save 
and to load. If I save the configuration for each synth I use for a 
composition, it will become very long to open or save a project.
>> When I have an instrument with several sound, I use several tracks.
>> Maybe is there a easier way to do this, for example with program changes
>> ? (even if the different sounds are not from the same soundfont file)
> Program changes could work if you had the other way round, i.e. one
> track with multiple 'instruments' (sounds - think a string tracks with a
> strings sound and switching in some moments to pizzicato). If you're
> talking of the same notes to be played by multple 'instruments' the best
> would be to rout that midi output to multiple synths/sounds.
My problem is 'one instrument with multiple sounds'.
My actual solution is to use multiple tracks for one instrument. Because 
if the different sounds are not in the same soundfont file, I don't know 
how to use program changes. But it would be more practicle if I had one 
track for each instrument.
One solution I see could be to create a soundfont file containing all 
the sound of an instrument with Swami.
>> Recently I've discovered Carla, but it's only available as lv2 plugin,
>> which RoseGarden does not support. I've tried to connect RoseGarden and
>> Carla with jack connections, but It's not very practicle. I create a
>> midi device for each track which I connect to the input of the soundfont
>> created by Carla. Maybe is there also a better way to do this ?
> I have near zero experience with Carla, but on Linux you should get
> familiar with the jack paradigm of routing (both audio and MIDI) between
> different software. At the beginning it may seem overwhelming and more
> time-consuming, especially if you've been used to the do-it-all software
> e.g. on other systems, but once you get used to it you'll appreciate the
> flexibility it gives you
The interesting thing with Carla is that it can load all formats of 
synths / plugins... So you only have one single configuration file to save.
I know Jack and all the connection things. But I don't find it practicle 
to have to do all the connections and file loading each time I want to 
work on a piece. That's why I found plugins very useful.
>
> That said there's a whole chapter of so-called 'session management',
> which means various strategies to snapshot a 'session' of applications
> interconnected through jack and then retrieve and manage that state.
> Actually doing this isn't at all trivial and various
> standards/software/paradigms exist. It is a lengthy and highly debated
> topic in the Linux Audio community and a search for 'jack audio session
> management' especially on the Linux Audio Users mailing list will
> provide quite a bit of insight.
>
> Lorenzo.
I used Ladish some years ago, but I found to complicated to have a 
studio for each composition. And those solutions have shown that they 
were still not sustainable.

However, I tried ladish (Claudia) again with Rosegarden and Carla and it 
works rather good. It's still long to add an instrument, but the files 
are automatically saved and loaded.
Ladish seems no more developed. I'll try NSM when I'll have time to 
install it. It seems to be Ladish compatible.

Thanks for the reply!
Anton

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How should I use RoseGarden

2015-09-18 Thread Alexandre DENIS
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:58:54 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> - sf2: fluidsynth and derivates (qsynth, fluidsynth dssi),
> linuxsampler (not very good for sf2 IMHO), Carla?

Carla uses fluidsynth engine.

-a.


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[Rosegarden-user] How should I use RoseGarden

2015-09-17 Thread Anton Curl
Hi everyone!

I've been using RoseGarden for several monthes, but I still can't find 
how to use it the most effectively.

Here is my situation:
- I'd like to use multiple soundfonts in multiple formats: sf2, gig and sfz
- Sometimes, I have several banks for one instrument. For instance a 
guitar with a normal sound and a muted sound.
- I'd like something simple, ie. I open my file in RoseGarden, I press 
"play" and there is sound.

Currently, I only use SF2 files with fluidsynth dssi plugin, because 
LinuxSampler plugin don't remember the configuration.
When I have an instrument with several sound, I use several tracks. 
Maybe is there a easier way to do this, for example with program changes 
? (even if the different sounds are not from the same soundfont file)

Recently I've discovered Carla, but it's only available as lv2 plugin, 
which RoseGarden does not support. I've tried to connect RoseGarden and 
Carla with jack connections, but It's not very practicle. I create a 
midi device for each track which I connect to the input of the soundfont 
created by Carla. Maybe is there also a better way to do this ?

Thanks for your advices!

Anton Curl

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How should I use RoseGarden

2015-09-17 Thread ram
Hi Anton,

My friends and I use Rosegarden with JACK and pretty much forget about the
plugins.  We use a combination of external hardware synths and soft
synths.
Fluidsynth with soundfonts remains popular (the website http://wowsia.com
provides an almost endless supply, I think they have over a TeraByte
worth).

We also use an extension on JACK (that used to be called NetJACK, but has
been incorporated into recent versions of JACK) see for example:

https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/WalkThrough_User_NetJack

and,

https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/WalkThrough_User_NetJack2

This allows soft synths to run on separate dedicated machines, which may
or may not, have analog sound capability.

My main synth studio rig has one machine with a high-end multichannel
sound card that does nothing much more than take inputs from other
devices.  Synthesis is all done on other machines as is recording. 
RoseGarden is run on the recording machine with a big monitor and graphics
cards.  NetJack ties it all together.

Examples of the results can be heard on the Jazz channels of:

http://finevenuemusic.com

and

http://lowcostrestaurantmusic.com

The "Space of Hearts" channels includes work by other artists, but also
mostly done with RoseGarden on Linux.

Hope this helps,

Rich Marschall




> Hi everyone!
>
> I've been using RoseGarden for several monthes, but I still can't find
> how to use it the most effectively.
>
> Here is my situation:
> - I'd like to use multiple soundfonts in multiple formats: sf2, gig and
> sfz
> - Sometimes, I have several banks for one instrument. For instance a
> guitar with a normal sound and a muted sound.
> - I'd like something simple, ie. I open my file in RoseGarden, I press
> "play" and there is sound.
>
> Currently, I only use SF2 files with fluidsynth dssi plugin, because
> LinuxSampler plugin don't remember the configuration.
> When I have an instrument with several sound, I use several tracks.
> Maybe is there a easier way to do this, for example with program changes
> ? (even if the different sounds are not from the same soundfont file)
>
> Recently I've discovered Carla, but it's only available as lv2 plugin,
> which RoseGarden does not support. I've tried to connect RoseGarden and
> Carla with jack connections, but It's not very practicle. I create a
> midi device for each track which I connect to the input of the soundfont
> created by Carla. Maybe is there also a better way to do this ?
>
> Thanks for your advices!
>
> Anton Curl
>
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