Re: [Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
If I were to make an efficient font that eliminated the need for pitch bends, this would no longer work correctly on a GM-Lite equipped mobile phone, would it? Even though making my own re-tuned font would be efficient, doing a little more work will make my compositions much more portable in the long run. I cannot expect to be able to load a custom font onto most off-the-shelf sub-smartphones. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Insidious Blank wrote: > If I were to make an efficient font that eliminated the need for pitch > bends, this would no longer work correctly on a GM-Lite equipped mobile > phone, would it? Even though making my own re-tuned font would be > efficient, doing a little more work will make my compositions much more > portable in the long run. I cannot expect to be able to load a custom font > onto most off-the-shelf sub-smartphones. > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM, steve conrad > wrote: > >> Probably the most efficient work around is to make your own sound font >> with the samples retuned to suit your purposes. >> >> The midi note to sample mapping of a font doesn't really require you >> to sound the note corresponding to the midi note number you've >> selected. Percussion fonts are one obvious example of a font where >> note number doesn't correspond to midi pitch. >> >> An hour or two fiddling around with Swami and you should be up and >> running. >> > > > > -- > Avatar image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons user Twice25 retrieved from: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Verona_-_maschera_veneziana.jpg > -- Avatar image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons user Twice25 retrieved from: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Verona_-_maschera_veneziana.jpg -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis & visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
Probably the most efficient work around is to make your own sound font with the samples retuned to suit your purposes. The midi note to sample mapping of a font doesn't really require you to sound the note corresponding to the midi note number you've selected. Percussion fonts are one obvious example of a font where note number doesn't correspond to midi pitch. An hour or two fiddling around with Swami and you should be up and running. -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis & visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
I now understand what you meant. I was looking in the main menu, not the notation editor window. I now see that "user setting" refers to a specific type of pitch bend, not simply a pitch bend value. I like that the Controllers-> Set function accepts the 4 digit numbers of MIDI pitchbend units that go from 0 to 16383, but I have already become accustomed to converting that value to MSB/LSB notation because that is what the Event Editor accepts. My preferred workflow is to place my notes in the notation editor, then switch to the event editor and insert a pitchbend event for every note. I type in the msb/lsb such as 64,0 for no pitch bend or 50,36, etc. I keep a text file of notes with the msb/lsb for each adjusted note separate for every tuning I work in (13 notes per octave, 17 notes per octave, etc.).For me doing it en masse is not as useful since I am shaping the melody and song as I go along. I do not know in advance exactly what notes I want where. Thanks nonetheless, because I learned more about Rosegarden in the process! On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Tom Breton (Tehom) wrote: > > > By 10 arbitrary settings, do you mean individual notes? > > No, not notes, settings. "User" entries on the "Pitchbend" menu. They > remember their last setting. It sounds like you are not using a recent > version. If so, this probably isn't making much sense to you. > > On more recent versions, I added a number of controller commands that also > work for pitchbend. They are accessible thru the "Controllers" submenu. > They make this sort of thing easier. > > > If so, the > > usefulness would soon break down as I deal with tunings such as 31 edo, > > which has 31 tones per octave. When you say "place" pitchbends, is there > > an > > automatic way to have all notes come with a pitchbend by default, or will > > I > > just be inserting them (which I already do)? > > No. In recent versions "Controllers -> Place" places one pitchbend event > (or other controller) per selected note, set to the default value. That > goes by what ruler is selected. It does not detect the pitch of notes. > You still have to set them to some non-default value that you like, but > now it's possible to do ~en masse~. > > The whole procedure goes something like this: > > * Select All events > * Bring up the pitchbend ruler (has to be before "Place"). If you bring > up (say) the expression ruler, it will place expression controllers > instead, etc. > * "Controllers" -> "Place" > * There will now be a default pitchbend (8192) on every note. > * On the pitchbend ruler, select (say) all the pitchbends on D's > * "Controllers" -> "Set" > * There will be a dialog > * Choose "Flat" (which is the default) > * Set it to the bend the D's should have, say 5611. > * Done. All the notes you selected are bent about 37 cents upwards. > > > Tom Breton (Tehom) > > > -- Avatar image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons user Twice25 retrieved from: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Verona_-_maschera_veneziana.jpg -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis & visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
> By 10 arbitrary settings, do you mean individual notes? No, not notes, settings. "User" entries on the "Pitchbend" menu. They remember their last setting. It sounds like you are not using a recent version. If so, this probably isn't making much sense to you. On more recent versions, I added a number of controller commands that also work for pitchbend. They are accessible thru the "Controllers" submenu. They make this sort of thing easier. > If so, the > usefulness would soon break down as I deal with tunings such as 31 edo, > which has 31 tones per octave. When you say "place" pitchbends, is there > an > automatic way to have all notes come with a pitchbend by default, or will > I > just be inserting them (which I already do)? No. In recent versions "Controllers -> Place" places one pitchbend event (or other controller) per selected note, set to the default value. That goes by what ruler is selected. It does not detect the pitch of notes. You still have to set them to some non-default value that you like, but now it's possible to do ~en masse~. The whole procedure goes something like this: * Select All events * Bring up the pitchbend ruler (has to be before "Place"). If you bring up (say) the expression ruler, it will place expression controllers instead, etc. * "Controllers" -> "Place" * There will now be a default pitchbend (8192) on every note. * On the pitchbend ruler, select (say) all the pitchbends on D's * "Controllers" -> "Set" * There will be a dialog * Choose "Flat" (which is the default) * Set it to the bend the D's should have, say 5611. * Done. All the notes you selected are bent about 37 cents upwards. Tom Breton (Tehom) -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
I am aware of the range of the pitchbend, All my bends are within 200 cents. By 10 arbitrary settings, do you mean individual notes? If so, the usefulness would soon break down as I deal with tunings such as 31 edo, which has 31 tones per octave. When you say "place" pitchbends, is there an automatic way to have all notes come with a pitchbend by default, or will I just be inserting them (which I already do)? I am still very happy with how I now know that Rosegarden CAN do this task. A year ago I thought only things like Sibelius could do it and from what I hear, it is not any easier to set pitch bend there either. It ends up being a calculated, by-hand type of thing. Thanks. On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Tom Breton (Tehom) wrote: > > I have been composing microtonal songs in Rosegarden, which means that > > none > > of the standard MIDI notes are the ones I'm interested in. To get the > > pitches I want, I have been applying a pitch bend event to the 12 piano > > pitches such as (50, 36) to A (77, 92) to D#, etc. to get the cents > values > > I want. This does work flawlessly by hand, but it is time consuming. Is > > there a way to tell Rosegarden to bend ALL of a certain note, like a D, a > > certain amount? That way, whenever I enter a note, it is automatically > > pitch bent and it will save me time and effort? I would also need > > different > > configurations for different tuning systems. > > Not in the sense of "tune all D's 37 cents upwards". > > Also if I understand what you want, that's more than General Midi > pitchbend can do. Canonically, Pitchbend has a range of 2 semitones in > either direction, which won't bend A to D#. > > Applying pitchbends and controllers repeatedly is a little easier than it > used to be. You can store and recall 10 arbitrary settings. See the > Controllers menu - I think it's in version 12.12 onwards. > > You could also "Place" pitchbends on all the notes, then grab (say) all > the D's and set them ~en masse~ to what you want. > > Tom Breton (Tehom) > > > -- Avatar image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons user Twice25 retrieved from: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Verona_-_maschera_veneziana.jpg -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
> I have been composing microtonal songs in Rosegarden, which means that > none > of the standard MIDI notes are the ones I'm interested in. To get the > pitches I want, I have been applying a pitch bend event to the 12 piano > pitches such as (50, 36) to A (77, 92) to D#, etc. to get the cents values > I want. This does work flawlessly by hand, but it is time consuming. Is > there a way to tell Rosegarden to bend ALL of a certain note, like a D, a > certain amount? That way, whenever I enter a note, it is automatically > pitch bent and it will save me time and effort? I would also need > different > configurations for different tuning systems. Not in the sense of "tune all D's 37 cents upwards". Also if I understand what you want, that's more than General Midi pitchbend can do. Canonically, Pitchbend has a range of 2 semitones in either direction, which won't bend A to D#. Applying pitchbends and controllers repeatedly is a little easier than it used to be. You can store and recall 10 arbitrary settings. See the Controllers menu - I think it's in version 12.12 onwards. You could also "Place" pitchbends on all the notes, then grab (say) all the D's and set them ~en masse~ to what you want. Tom Breton (Tehom) -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
You mean, like retune the actual samples? It may be easier, but I am making a game for mobile phones which use General MIDI and I want to make sure the sound plays accurately. It is unlikely I can do anything about the sound source on the phones, but the MIDI Pitch Bend protocol is guaranteed to be supported. (I think they use GM-lite). On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Abrolag wrote: > On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:00:02 -0600 > Insidious Blank wrote: > > > I have been composing microtonal songs in Rosegarden, which means that > none > > of the standard MIDI notes are the ones I'm interested in. To get the > > pitches I want, I have been applying a pitch bend event to the 12 piano > > pitches such as (50, 36) to A (77, 92) to D#, etc. to get the cents > values > > I want. This does work flawlessly by hand, but it is time consuming. Is > > there a way to tell Rosegarden to bend ALL of a certain note, like a D, a > > certain amount? That way, whenever I enter a note, it is automatically > > pitch bent and it will save me time and effort? I would also need > different > > configurations for different tuning systems. > > Surely this would be easier to do from the sound source? > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > > > -- > Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. > Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire > the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the > Employer Resources Portal > http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > -- Avatar image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons user Twice25 retrieved from: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Verona_-_maschera_veneziana.jpg -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:00:02 -0600 Insidious Blank wrote: > I have been composing microtonal songs in Rosegarden, which means that none > of the standard MIDI notes are the ones I'm interested in. To get the > pitches I want, I have been applying a pitch bend event to the 12 piano > pitches such as (50, 36) to A (77, 92) to D#, etc. to get the cents values > I want. This does work flawlessly by hand, but it is time consuming. Is > there a way to tell Rosegarden to bend ALL of a certain note, like a D, a > certain amount? That way, whenever I enter a note, it is automatically > pitch bent and it will save me time and effort? I would also need different > configurations for different tuning systems. Surely this would be easier to do from the sound source? -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Setup Automatic Pitch Bend?
I have been composing microtonal songs in Rosegarden, which means that none of the standard MIDI notes are the ones I'm interested in. To get the pitches I want, I have been applying a pitch bend event to the 12 piano pitches such as (50, 36) to A (77, 92) to D#, etc. to get the cents values I want. This does work flawlessly by hand, but it is time consuming. Is there a way to tell Rosegarden to bend ALL of a certain note, like a D, a certain amount? That way, whenever I enter a note, it is automatically pitch bent and it will save me time and effort? I would also need different configurations for different tuning systems. -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
