Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
On 10/20/2012 05:30 PM, k...@trixtar.org wrote: If I next select qs1 (my instance of a running qsynth set up to use the FluidR3_GM.sf2 font file) then I do get sound but it has nothing to do with the musical instrument I want and the bank/prog dialog is still gone. I think what probably happened is this. 1. You had the generic General MIDI Device 2. You set up QSynth and created a new device in addition to the above, and called this qs1. 3. You never loaded any programs into that device, so you can't change banks and programs, because there are no programs to change. Since that soundfont is General MIDI anyway, the quickest and easiest thing to do would be to go to Studio - Manage MIDI Devices and change General MIDI Synth so it's playing via QSynth. (Synth input port 130:0 or whatever it calls itself these days.) If you go that route, you'll be using the existing device and its existing banks/programs, which happen to match what you're trying to do anyway. Alternatively, you could load the programs out of the .sf2 file so that qs1 also has banks/programs available. I'm writing this in a huge hurry, and have glossed over a lot of details. If this doesn't give you the boost you need, I can get into more detail once I have more time. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote: Setting a different soundfont is optional, is it? What do you mean by different? You always need at least one soundfont. By midi channel you mean communications like 131:0? No. These are MIDI ports that can point to a softsynth or a hardware synth or other MIDI equipment. [I thought a midi channel was like one of 16 musical instrument sounds available per synthesizer] Yes. But each MIDI port can have it's own channels I managed to create 3 instances of Qsynth and then included them in Rosegarden Manage-Midi-Devices and got them to play some segments. I get nice sound quality with this method, way better than Zyn, but.. How do I set up one of the 128*banks available 'programs' or musical instrument sounds? Banks are not programs. There are 128 programs in the General Midi standard. Each program sometime has variations that can be selected with a bank select. You can select both banks and programs you want on the main screen in Rosegarden in the Instrumentparameters section in the Special parameters on the left side of the screen. (You might have this not openened?) -- MT -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:45:26 +0200 (CEST) Holger Marzen hol...@marzen.de wrote: You can create several instances (green cross on the bottom left) in Qsynth, each with another soundfont and MIDI-channel. That sould be the way to go. Setting a different soundfont is optional, is it? Yes, but loading one into each instance is necessary. By midi channel you mean communications like 131:0? [I thought a midi channel was like one of 16 musical instrument sounds available per synthesizer] MIDI-Channels go from 1 to 16. In the Hardware-world MIDI is a bus system where you can daisy-chain many synthesizers. Each synthesizer is set to a unique channel so note-on- (and other commands) can be directed to the desired synthesizer. The commands include a field for the channel-no. I managed to create 3 instances of Qsynth and then included them in Rosegarden Manage-Midi-Devices and got them to play some segments. I get nice sound quality with this method, way better than Zyn, but.. How do I set up one of the 128*banks available 'programs' or musical instrument sounds? Zyn and fluidsynth (the core of qsynth) are totally different. Zyn is a synthesizer that has configurations or patches for each sound. There is no standard way of organising them. Fluidsynth is a soundfont-player or a play-only-sampler. In the soundfonts there are samples and settings. In the case of a General MIDI soundfont there is a standard way to organize the sounds. I am no expert in the world of assigning descriptions to sounds. There is much more to know. For example there are some description files for some well known synthesizers and their factory sounds. Right clicking on the track title in Rosegarden offers up to chose the Qsynth instance and 16 numbers, how do I corelate those numbers to sounds in the loaded sf2 file? Suppose I want that track to play a deep cello, where and how do I set that? So much for virtual midi 'devices'. I organize it differently. For each instrument I use a separate track and a separate synthesizer plugin instrument. Then there's no hassle with MIDI-channels: Track 1 - fluidsynth synth plugin - instrument 1 - soundfont x with program a Track 2 - fluidsynth synth plugin - instrument 2 - soundfont x with program b Track 3 - zynadsubfx synth plugin - instrument 3 - program c Track 4 - whysythn synth plugin - instrument 4 - program d It's handy to always have track number and instrument number equal. This is not always possible since you can have MIDI, synth plugin and audio tracks. It's a good idea to have a fluidsynth with a selected drum program (e.g. standard) on track 10, instrument 10. It can be used as metronome. My way of doing it is having as many synth plugin tracks as I need, e.g. from 1 to 12 and then start the audio tracks behind. Bit I recommend using fluidsynth as synth plugin instruments in Rosegarden, each with its own soundfont. Latency is much better and Rosegarden remembers all settings. It's no problem having 3 instruments with FluidR3_GM.sf2, each with a different sound selected and 2 instruments with PC51f.sf2. This bit I don't understand but if it cuts down on latency then I want to understand it because I'm using OpenSUSE and they no longer bother with low-latency kernels. However the Rosegarden manual say this about plugins (I presume 'as opposed to midi devices'): The use of plugins has a cost in CPU time, as audio processing in real time usually takes a significant amount of work even on a modern CPU. It also has a potential cost in reliability: when Rosegarden is running a plugin, if the plugin hangs or crashes, so does Rosegarden. Many plugins are very reliable, but it's inevitable that some will not be so well tested. CPU time is always needed für synths, regardless if they are loaded as DSSI-plugins or if they are started as standalone programs like Qsynth. The author means LADSPA-plugins to create effects like equalizer, reverb, phaser and others. But they are meant to be used, so use them if you need them :) Anyway, I right click on a track #3 title and select Synth Plugin and the number 14 meaning that this synth DSSI plugin (to be next defined) will be used by Rosegarden internally without setting it up as a Midi-Playback-Device. This shows Yep. But I recommend to use synth plugin instrument #3 on track #3. up under Track Params as info but there is nothing to do there. Next I go to Instrument-Params which shows the same Synth Plugin #14 and I click the no synth button to define this #14 plugin. A dialog pops up where I can select Plugin: Fluidsynth DSSI plugin And then what? I can change the volume here and there are also some effects plugins too but where do I set the musical instrument sound I want this 'Fluidsynth DSSI plugin' that is plugin #14 to play track #3 using xyz.sf2? - Right-click on track #4's
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012, Holger Marzen wrote: - Right-click on track #4's title, select synthesizer plugin #3 It should read - Right-click on track #3's title, select synthesizer plugin #3 -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
I should really state what version I'm using I guess: Rosegarden-11.11.42-51.20.x86_64.rpm no music hardware. -- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:13:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?) To: k...@trixtar.org Cc: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: alpine.LFD.2.02.1210200901380.1528@localhost.localdomain Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:13:34 +0200 (CEST) Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote: You can select both banks and programs you want on the main screen in Rosegarden in the Instrumentparameters section in the Special parameters on the left side of the screen. (You might have this not openened?) That's the selection I was looking for but couldn't find. I can also do that kind of setup for the creation only of a new segment that doesn't exist yet. I found it where you say only when I selected General Midi for the track. But General Midi isn't what I want to use, it's Synth plugin, more specifically Fluidsynth-DSSI or an independent instance of qsynth. If I select General Midi for a track then I do see the bank/prog dialog where you say and I can select one of the 128 (maybe more) musical instrument sounds such as #20 Church Organ. I did this, but playback produces no sound at all. Then if I select Synth plugin Fluidsynth-DSSI there is still no sound and what's worse the Instrument Params bank/prog dialog isn't there anymore. If I next select qs1 (my instance of a running qsynth set up to use the FluidR3_GM.sf2 font file) then I do get sound but it has nothing to do with the musical instrument I want and the bank/prog dialog is still gone. -- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:17:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Holger Marzen hol...@marzen.de Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?) To: k...@trixtar.org Cc: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: alpine.deb.2.02.1210200851390.19...@regen.intern.marzen.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:45:26 +0200 (CEST) Holger Marzen hol...@marzen.de wrote: Track 1 - fluidsynth synth plugin - instrument 1 - soundfont x with program a Track 2 - fluidsynth synth plugin - instrument 2 - soundfont x with program b Track 3 - zynadsubfx synth plugin - instrument 3 - program c Track 4 - whysythn synth plugin - instrument 4 - program d It's handy to always have track number and instrument number equal. This is not always possible since you can have MIDI, synth plugin and audio tracks. It's a good idea to have a fluidsynth with a selected drum program (e.g. standard) on track 10, instrument 10. It can be used as metronome. My way of doing it is having as many synth plugin tracks as I need, e.g. from 1 to 12 and then start the audio tracks behind. That sounds good and less confusing and I have already tried it, I haven't touched 'audio' files yet (in rosegarden). - Right-click on track #4's (edited to #3) title, select synthesizer plugin #3 OK - On the left box (Instrument's parameters) click the No synthesizer button and select fluidsynth dssi plugin OK - click the button below (audio ...), a little window appears No such button, so I can't continue :-( - click load soundfont and load your soundfont - then select your instrument in the list. Test it by clicking send test note. I always have to select the desired instrument, select another and then select it again until it works. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
Thank you very much! You answered me 3 times and I'm just eating my way through it all. Just quoting the last one here to base my questions on... --- On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:45:26 +0200 (CEST) Holger Marzen hol...@marzen.de wrote: You can create several instances (green cross on the bottom left) in Qsynth, each with another soundfont and MIDI-channel. That sould be the way to go. Setting a different soundfont is optional, is it? By midi channel you mean communications like 131:0? [I thought a midi channel was like one of 16 musical instrument sounds available per synthesizer] I managed to create 3 instances of Qsynth and then included them in Rosegarden Manage-Midi-Devices and got them to play some segments. I get nice sound quality with this method, way better than Zyn, but.. How do I set up one of the 128*banks available 'programs' or musical instrument sounds? Right clicking on the track title in Rosegarden offers up to chose the Qsynth instance and 16 numbers, how do I corelate those numbers to sounds in the loaded sf2 file? Suppose I want that track to play a deep cello, where and how do I set that? So much for virtual midi 'devices'. Bit I recommend using fluidsynth as synth plugin instruments in Rosegarden, each with its own soundfont. Latency is much better and Rosegarden remembers all settings. It's no problem having 3 instruments with FluidR3_GM.sf2, each with a different sound selected and 2 instruments with PC51f.sf2. This bit I don't understand but if it cuts down on latency then I want to understand it because I'm using OpenSUSE and they no longer bother with low-latency kernels. However the Rosegarden manual say this about plugins (I presume 'as opposed to midi devices'): The use of plugins has a cost in CPU time, as audio processing in real time usually takes a significant amount of work even on a modern CPU. It also has a potential cost in reliability: when Rosegarden is running a plugin, if the plugin hangs or crashes, so does Rosegarden. Many plugins are very reliable, but it's inevitable that some will not be so well tested. Anyway, I right click on a track #3 title and select Synth Plugin and the number 14 meaning that this synth DSSI plugin (to be next defined) will be used by Rosegarden internally without setting it up as a Midi-Playback-Device. This shows up under Track Params as info but there is nothing to do there. Next I go to Instrument-Params which shows the same Synth Plugin #14 and I click the no synth button to define this #14 plugin. A dialog pops up where I can select Plugin: Fluidsynth DSSI plugin And then what? I can change the volume here and there are also some effects plugins too but where do I set the musical instrument sound I want this 'Fluidsynth DSSI plugin' that is plugin #14 to play track #3 using xyz.sf2? TIA -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote: I have about 10 *.sf2 files in a folder, the 2 biggest ones are FluidR3_GM.sf2 149 mb PC51f.sf263 mb and I suppose that each of them contain hundreds of musical instruments just like Zyn does. I selected all of the sf2 files in the Qsynth setup Soundfonts browser dialog so now when I open that dialog all 10 are there. There seems to be NOTHING to do in that dialog except to sequence them in a top down order with move up/down buttons. I presume only one sf2 file can be selected at a time, and that one is whichever one is at the top. You can create several instances (green cross on the bottom left) in Qsynth, each with another soundfont and MIDI-channel. That sould be the way to go. Bit I recommend using fluidsynth as synth plugin instruments in Rosegarden, each with its own soundfont. Latency is much better and Rosegarden remembers all settings. It's no problem having 3 instruments with FluidR3_GM.sf2, each with a different sound selected and 2 instruments with PC51f.sf2. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:17:50 +0200 (CEST) Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote: In the rosegarden midi devices(?) list I've set up under 'MyQsynth' paired to 131:0 Synth input port 3652:0 whatever all that means. Now the dropdown list of a track also shows 'MyQsynth' with 16 channels. What sf2 files do those sounds come from? In qsynth select Setup...-Soundfonts to load and/or select a soundfont. Thanks for the response. I need to follow through on this using the ZynAddSubFX approach which I finally got to work so I'll run through that first. - I entered rosegarden's midi setup dialog and created a My-Zyn-In entry paired to the 131:1 ZynAddSubFX (write) available output on the right. - With Zyn launched I set all 16 channels up for one instrument or another. I can hear them all and they all have names numbers like 39 - Church Organ 3. Thus one can set store each of 16 channels to any one of hundreds of ZynSubFX instruments - Finally I can save the Zyn settings to a file so I don't have to go through all this each time - If Zyn is set up and connected through Qjackctl then clicking on a track in rosegarden I get My-Zyn-In as an option with the 16 associated channels to produce the subject sounds. Now how do I do the same thing with Qsynth? I have about 10 *.sf2 files in a folder, the 2 biggest ones are FluidR3_GM.sf2 149 mb PC51f.sf263 mb and I suppose that each of them contain hundreds of musical instruments just like Zyn does. I selected all of the sf2 files in the Qsynth setup Soundfonts browser dialog so now when I open that dialog all 10 are there. There seems to be NOTHING to do in that dialog except to sequence them in a top down order with move up/down buttons. I presume only one sf2 file can be selected at a time, and that one is whichever one is at the top. Now when I right click on a track in rosegarden the My-Qsynth option is listed also just kike My-Zyn-In with 16 unlabeled instruments. Is 16 instruments all there is in these sf2 files? Where can I see set which Qsynth channel will play which instrument from which sf2 file? -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)
I have hoarded up the following files in a folder and can point QsynthSetupSoundfonts to the folder: ChoriumRevA.SF2 HS Synth Collection I.sf2 soundbank-emg.sf2 GeneralUser_GS_FluidSynth.sf2 HS-Synth-Collection-I.sf2 Unison.sf2 gu11-rom.sf2 PC51f.sf2 Vintage_Dreams_Waves_v2.sf2 Some of these are huge and surely contain nice stuff but I see no way to use them in rosegarden. Any hints appreciated. Any other good free or commercial sources? -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
