Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-04 Thread david
On 09/04/2012 08:53 AM, Tim Munro wrote: david wrote: Yup. I'm not developer. Wouldn't that happen with the shift to 32-bit, anyway? You'd think so. Got lucky I guess. Tim Or maybe it was a change in compiler? -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-03 Thread david
On 09/02/2012 05:04 AM, Tim Munro wrote: david wrote: So you add ANOTHER DRIVE to the system That's what I do. Yes, I could have picked up an old drive somewhere and stuffed it into the box. I even considered picking up an IDE to SATA adapter so that I could attempt to use a newer

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-02 Thread k-12
Tim Munro wrote: A time lag frequently exists between the introduction of new hardware and the availability of suitable Linux drivers. And even when these drivers or kernel patches become available, a significant time lag can exist before the changes make it into a distribution.

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-02 Thread Tim Munro
david wrote: So you add ANOTHER DRIVE to the system That's what I do. Yes, I could have picked up an old drive somewhere and stuffed it into the box. I even considered picking up an IDE to SATA adapter so that I could attempt to use a newer drive, but the bottom line was that the machine

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-31 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 08/30/2012 09:25 AM, John wrote: Let us assume you do win the lottery and lets also assume that the acquired riches have not spoiled you completely and that you are still interested in using computers. What operating system would you use? If I had unlimited money to pour down the well

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-31 Thread Louis Gorenfeld
Let's take Linux audio, for example. The first thing we have to do is take ALSA, OSS, JACK, PulseAudio, GStreamer, and everything else you can think off off the top of your head, gather all of that up and shove it right down the garbage disposer. Linux audio is just about the most ludicrous

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread Chris Cannam
On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. There's just no poetry in you. Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread david
On 08/29/2012 09:13 PM, Chris Cannam wrote: On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bownrichard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. There's just no poetry in you. Clearly he needs to read the award-winning book, The Soul of a New Machine. -- David

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:14:30 PM Chris Cannam wrote: I think the root of Michael's problem is that he feels stuck with this one operating system -- whether for financial reasons or because of a gloomy expectation that nothing else is going to work for him either. So he hasn't had the

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 30/08/12 12:24, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:14:30 PM Chris Cannam wrote: It's nothing a few million dollars couldn't fix. Maybe I'll win the lottery. In that case do save a few bucks for Rosegarden as well :D

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 08/29/2012 05:14 PM, Chris Cannam wrote: I'm not sure there is such a simple dichotomy, though. It has so much to do with temperament and perspective. Indeed. Rosegarden is a perfect example. If I could go spend, say, $500 once for something that did everything Rosegarden wants to do, and

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 08/29/2012 08:06 PM, jimmy wrote: Rosegarden, Lilypond probably can't be compare to the well polished professional apps out there. The hell of it is that I was at a point a few years ago when I was more than willing to shell out some cash for Finale or Sibelius or something, something

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread Jonathan Herz
Thanks Ahmet. This prompts me to write as an appreciative user. It is so much easier to write about what is irritating than what is pleasing, but what is pleasing is worth as much ink. I am solidly on the recipient end of the spectrum. I am a mechanical engineer with as little knowledge of

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread S. Christian Collins
On 08/30/2012 07:27 AM, Richard Bown wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 09:13, Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com wrote: There's just no poetry in you. Ok, this is your fault. http://masticate.com/2012/08/30/ode-to-a-preemptive-multitasking-kernel/ YES That was awesome. Now we just need a

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread S. Christian Collins
FWIW, I have been using Thunderbird for years as my e-mail client of choice, and it has never let me down. I've got seven e-mail accounts coming into it, using Lightning for my calendar (synced up with multiple Google calendars). I've got tons of stored e-mails all the way back to 1999 and all

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread Abrolag
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:25:36 -0400 John wildber...@cogeco.ca wrote: I wonder how few Linux users are aware of the restrictions imposed on the use of open source soft ware. Legal restrictions as well as moral restrictions. Then there is the ever occurring bragging of the long uptime. If

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread Michael N. Moran
On 08/30/2012 11:52 AM, S. Christian Collins wrote: FWIW, I have been using Thunderbird for years as my e-mail client of choice, and it has never let me down. I've got seven e-mail accounts coming into it, using Lightning for my calendar (synced up with multiple Google calendars). I've got

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread Chris Cannam
On 30 August 2012 18:47, jimmy wg20...@yahoo.com wrote: But the ignorant people always think because they pay for something they must have something worth-while, especially the more expensive stuff. But hey, its their money. There's one born every minute. Nope, that's not right. There are

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-29 Thread John
On 2012-08-28, at 1:05 PM, jimmy wrote: Well so-called true geeks are just people who believe they have seen enough to know that Linux/Unix can be customized however they want. They are not the know-it-all either. They spent long hours to learn how things are done and replicated those

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-29 Thread Abrolag
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:36:26 -0400 John wildber...@cogeco.ca wrote: I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs work. I have reached the point in life where

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-29 Thread Chris Cannam
On 29 August 2012 14:48, Richard Bown richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com wrote: On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John wildber...@cogeco.ca wrote: [...] I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-29 Thread Richard Bown
On 29 Aug 2012, at 23:14, Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com wrote: So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to relish the good things about it. It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. R

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-29 Thread steve conrad
Ubuntu Studio 12.04 defaults to XFCE I believe. I've been using it for a while now with great success. Didn't take much of a test ride to boil down Unity though. 12.04 finally has a proper real time pre-emptive kernel again after going through a bit of a rough patch for a release or two.

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-29 Thread jimmy
--- On Wed, 8/29/12, John wildber...@cogeco.ca wrote: I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs work. Perhaps you shouldn't even bother with Linux at

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-29 Thread jimmy
--- On Wed, 8/29/12, John wildber...@cogeco.ca wrote: A number of writer to this thread made reference to their recently discovered new distro (whatever !) that is not suffering from any of the known illnesses. I can assure them that they are living in a dream world. The next update will

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-28 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
I can feel your pain... When I faced upgrade threats for my Ubuntu 10.04 LTS I sensed something had taken the wrong direction with Ubuntu. While Ubuntu was the distro which really helped me to get seriously and permanently into Linux I felt it was taking the wrong decisions at each upgrade.

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-28 Thread Mario Moles
Dear Michael I've never used Ubuntu so I can not talk about it! I use ROSA-2012 (Russian version of Mandriva) http://www.rosalab.com/ with kde4.8.4 and the repo MIB http://mib.pianetalinux.org/blog/ which ROSA takes the kernel-nrj (low-latency). I, like you, am a user kmail since it exists!

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-28 Thread Jim Cochrane
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:08:36 -0400 D. Michael McIntyre michael.mcint...@rosegardenmusic.com wrote: I'm writing from GMail in a web browser. I hate using a web browser for email, and have been using KMail for over 10 years. I love KMail. So somewhere after midnight I got the upgrade

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-28 Thread Noel Darlow
Hi IMO, the IT world is in a major transition period Actually I think we're in a major cloud-bloviation period. Sure it has its place but I expect it to be a parallel option to desktops, not a replacement. It's a kind of IT Lite for those with several lightweight devices who don't really need

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-28 Thread jimmy
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012, Jim Cochrane m_l-...@business.jimcochrane.info wrote: As most (probably everyone) on this list knows, the main transition at this point is from the desktop (GUI on a PC - Windows for most people, but also OSX and Linux) to either or both of:   - mobile/tablet-based

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread Noel Darlow
Hi Long time XFCE user here. I can't remember ever having a problem. Noel -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Noel Darlow wrote: Long time XFCE user here. I can't remember ever having a problem. XFCE4 ist *my* successor of KDE3. http://www.marzen.de/tmp/xfce4.png -- Live Security Virtual Conference

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread Abrolag
Like the others, I offer my sympathy for what little it's worth. I've tried a variety of distros form Mandrake, to Slackware and derivatives, but always seem to come back to Debian. I now have a two text files, one with step-by-step instructions on a cold install to my preferred 'office' setup,

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread Chris Cannam
On 27 August 2012 16:04, Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com wrote: I think XFCE is a fair option for people who were happy with the previous generation of desktops and are quite content to watch history pass them by. Of course, this is a problem if those people are developers, since

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread Chris Cannam
On 27 August 2012 18:02, S. Christian Collins s_chriscoll...@hotmail.com wrote: Sorry to hear your upgrade didn't go well, Michael. I've had a few things break over the years during upgrades, but nothing so completely trashed as what it seems you experienced. I'm currently using the latest

Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread jimmy
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, D. Michael McIntyre michael.mcint...@rosegardenmusic.com wrote: My computer had been up for almost 18 months before I decided to try upgrading it.  You'd think I would have learned that for every stable thing in Linux there are 50,000 hopeless train wrecks in between.