Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-12 Thread Silas Mortimer
Very good to know. Thank you! On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:50 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 04/11/2016 04:13 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > >>> I *might* download and compile it > > As of revision 14597, working with your Unnamed.rg file: > > When you find

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-12 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/11/2016 04:13 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> I *might* download and compile it As of revision 14597, working with your Unnamed.rg file: When you find the whole notes that are too big for their measures, you can select them and Adjust -> Notes... -> Tie Notes at Barlines When you find

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-11 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/11/2016 03:15 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Awesome! I need to check with the maintainers of the Opensuse > Multimedia repo. Hopefully it's there soon. (I *might* download and > compile it, but I hate messing up the usefulness of a package > manager.) It could take months or years for any

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-11 Thread Silas Mortimer
Awesome! I need to check with the maintainers of the Opensuse Multimedia repo. Hopefully it's there soon. (I *might* download and compile it, but I hate messing up the usefulness of a package manager.) And you rock! If I ever get a chance to buy you a beer or whatever your drink is, I will damn

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-11 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/11/2016 07:09 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > So this tie notes at bars thing does work, but these 4-beat notes in a > 2-beat bar are a case it does not handle. Looks like it has been that > way about 15 years. I got that one dealt with. If you ever end up in this situation again, you

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-11 Thread ram
> On Apr 10, 2016 23:07, Silas Mortimer wrote: >> >> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 5:46 AM, chuck elliot >> wrote: >> > Actually there are devices that do this. I have a Roland GI 10 >> > guitar/midi interface which is basically a real time pitch

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-11 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/11/2016 05:06 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Thank you very much for the information! And I definitely won't be > leaving Rosegarden any time soon. I'm really having fun with this. You caught me at a better time than most new users do. It's not often I can get work done this close to

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-11 Thread David Jones
On Apr 10, 2016 23:07, Silas Mortimer wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 5:46 AM, chuck elliot > wrote: > > Actually there are devices that do this. I have a Roland GI 10 > > guitar/midi interface which is basically a real time pitch to

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-11 Thread Silas Mortimer
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 5:46 AM, chuck elliot wrote: > Actually there are devices that do this. I have a Roland GI 10 > guitar/midi interface which is basically a real time pitch to midi > converter. It handles pitch bend too and does an impressive job > without too

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-10 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/07/2016 07:00 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > I don't mind sending it here. I'm going to address the "Tie Notes at Barlines" thing not working directly. By the look of things, this has been broken for a very long time, and it looks to be a little adventure to sort this out. The place where

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-10 Thread chuck elliot
Actually there are devices that do this. I have a Roland GI 10 guitar/midi interface which is basically a real time pitch to midi converter. It handles pitch bend too and does an impressive job without too much delay and glitches. Paired with a midi sound module, you can (in theory) play any

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-10 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/09/2016 06:22 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Can it cover bends and vibrato on an electric guitar? > > Unless things have changed or I simply missed how to do it, these can > be put in a score for electric guitar, but MIDI can't do it. Am I > wrong? I'm not aware of anything that could

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-09 Thread Silas Mortimer
Going to try inline. Last time I tried it (a while back), Gmail didn't handle it all that well. On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:08 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 04/09/2016 03:13 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > > > >> Perhaps another limitation regarding scoring

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-09 Thread Silas Mortimer
I don't think there are MIDI standard events for everything, because I know you can't use a guitar or guitar-like instrument to input MIDI. Well, I saw a machine a long time ago, but you couldn't play the guitar like a guitar, if that makes sense. For instance, no bends. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread david
That is a great analogy. I would also say that music notation is fundamentally visual, not audio or sequential. Musicians reading a score aren't necessarily going "note by note" anymore than the typical person reading text reads "letter by letter". I guess sequencers aren't quite up to the

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/08/2016 12:29 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Not that I think we should abandon the old way by any means, but maybe > there ought to be a notation 2.0, completely reworked to be an easy > learning curve for those who already know the old notation, but make > more sense to coding. I wonder if

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread Silas Mortimer
That makes a lot of sense. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > As I already said this is really a bit of a conundrum > I think a good analogy would be imagine writing in a word processor > (e.g. Writer) or typesetting system (e.g. Latex) VS.

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread Silas Mortimer
I can definitely believe it, I just didn't see it before you explained it. It makes sense. Not that I think we should abandon the old way by any means, but maybe there ought to be a notation 2.0, completely reworked to be an easy learning curve for those who already know the old notation, but

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/07/2016 07:04 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > If I might ask, because I've been wondering about this, what makes > doing notation so difficult? I think the root of it is because notation is a very analog, infinitely-variable kind of thing that is difficult to represent and manipulate in an

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/07/2016 07:00 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > I don't mind sending it here. Got it, and took a quick look. I need to take a more detailed look to figure out what's going on here, and I will have to come back to this tomorrow. Everything is fixable though. No worries. -- D. Michael

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
>>> My understanding of notation is that a whole note is a whole measure. Only in 4/4 or 2/2 time that is. I would like to add that a whole REST can mean a whole measure, even if time is not 4/4, if the rest is placed in the middle of an otherwise empty bar! I have not tried if RG knows

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 07/04/2016 21:15, Silas Mortimer wrote: > I should start doing that. > > Anyway, as I said before, I had to make the time signature 2/4, which > would make a whole note of four beats span two measures. I know it's > weird, but I started composing the piece on guitar and wound up having >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-08 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 07/04/2016 17:55, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 04/07/2016 10:44 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > >> do that and then use shortcuts in LilyPond to "clean it up" visually? >> To be specific, what I'm asking is if LilyPond has ways of easily >> fixing problems like my first example. > > The

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Silas Mortimer
I was thinking so much about the attachment that I forgot to say thank you. And that "Tie Notes at Bar Lines" was what I was looking for, but I'm glad to know that it might not work, lol. If I might ask, because I've been wondering about this, what makes doing notation so difficult? I know, of

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Silas Mortimer
I don't mind sending it here. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:18 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 04/07/2016 07:19 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > >> Anyway, here's one example: >> >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8p6zThp4KIdN2NyUXBRWHkxUHc/view?usp=sharing > > >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Silas Mortimer
I should start doing that. Anyway, as I said before, I had to make the time signature 2/4, which would make a whole note of four beats span two measures. I know it's weird, but I started composing the piece on guitar and wound up having trouble finding the right signature before finding that 2/4

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Silas Mortimer
I appreciate it. And it sounds like the game is good, lol. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:55 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 04/07/2016 10:44 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > >> do that and then use shortcuts in LilyPond to "clean it up" visually? >> To be specific,

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Silas Mortimer
I did it again. Last time, Lorenzo, I promise. So what I said: Well, here's the problem: When I initially put the chord in, I made the notes dotted whole notes, which made them span three measures. And, now that I'm suddenly remembering what happened there, I determined that a note BEFORE this

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/07/2016 10:44 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > do that and then use shortcuts in LilyPond to "clean it up" visually? > To be specific, what I'm asking is if LilyPond has ways of easily > fixing problems like my first example. The LilyPond export engine is very much GIGO. Garbage in, garbage

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/07/2016 08:37 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Rosegarden actually does have some 'intelligence' when it comes to > interpreting notation (e.g. dynamics), but it cannot 'imagine' what you > would like especially in terms of note onsets and lengths. It also has totally separate durations and

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 07/04/2016 16:39, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Oh, geez. It's been a long time since I've used a mailing list and I > sent my reply to Lorenzo personally. Thanks for your patience, > Lorenzo. Happy to help new RG users, it's the least one can do.. ;) > > Okay, here's what I said in the reply: > >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Silas Mortimer
Yeah, I'm getting a better sense of the whole thing through this thread. I like that it allows me to input notation as I find it a LOT easier to think in that than the matrix editor, which, despite getting the gist of it and being able to make modifications in it, I don't fully understand yet.

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Silas Mortimer
Oh, geez. It's been a long time since I've used a mailing list and I sent my reply to Lorenzo personally. Thanks for your patience, Lorenzo. Okay, here's what I said in the reply: Oh, it definitely does help. It's not a showstopper by any means. I asked all of this mainly because a) I'm new to

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread David Tisdell
You could focus on how the piece sounds and when you have it the way you want, make a duplicate and clean it up from a notation point of view. For notation, I would just use a fermata where the matrix editor is messing with the notation. I love the fact that RG is a musical swiss army knife but

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
Hi! On 07/04/2016 00:27, Silas Mortimer wrote: [...] > One example is at one point I wanted to make a chord ring out > longer than I'd originally put it and had already added notes after > it. I searched for what I should do there, and from what I gather, I > could only do that in the matrix

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-07 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 04/06/2016 06:27 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Is there some way I can keep the music as it is, but discard and > regenerate the notation? I apologize for my ignorance here. It seems to me the most productive way to deal with your questions would be for me to run through your composition with

[Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-06 Thread Silas Mortimer
Hi. I'm not only new to Rosegarden, I'm new to computer composing beyond using guitarix/Hydrogen/Ardour for recording. I've been working on a piece and learning bit by bit as I go along. Of course, this means that I'm making a lot of mistakes as I go. The trouble winds up in the notation editor.