Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-25 Thread D. Michael McIntyre

On 3/23/19 9:03 PM, david wrote:

Oh, I like the Tangerine Skies one. How long does it take to start 
producing flowers?


Damn if I know.  I'll let you know when it does. :-D

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-24 Thread ram
I like the artistic direction this is heading.




> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:03:08 -1000
> david  wrote:
>
>>On 3/23/19 1:51 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>>> Speaking of the redesign, are you planning to go in a different
>>> direction with the splash screen?  I tried to do a new one for every
>>> major new feature release, and all of them for years were different
>>> photos of the same rose.  There have been no new splash screens in a
>>> long time, because that rose declined and died after 20 years.
>>>
>>> I finally tracked down what variety it was, and my eye fell on a
>>> different, very complementary variety, so I bought a couple of those
>>> too.  I put a lot of love into preparing the ground, and I'll get the
>>> last of them planted tomorrow.  There are four in all, with some new
>>> decorative support appliances, and I'm hoping for new rose pictures on
>>> the horizon.
>>>
>>> If anyone is curious, it's these two:
>>>
>>> https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25310/Autumn+Sunset+Hardy+Climbing+Rose
>>> https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25643/Tangerine+Skies+Climbing+Rose
>>
>>Oh, I like the Tangerine Skies one. How long does it take to start
>>producing flowers?
>>
>
> Same here :)
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-24 Thread Will Godfrey
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:03:08 -1000
david  wrote:

>On 3/23/19 1:51 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>> Speaking of the redesign, are you planning to go in a different 
>> direction with the splash screen?  I tried to do a new one for every 
>> major new feature release, and all of them for years were different 
>> photos of the same rose.  There have been no new splash screens in a 
>> long time, because that rose declined and died after 20 years.
>> 
>> I finally tracked down what variety it was, and my eye fell on a 
>> different, very complementary variety, so I bought a couple of those 
>> too.  I put a lot of love into preparing the ground, and I'll get the 
>> last of them planted tomorrow.  There are four in all, with some new 
>> decorative support appliances, and I'm hoping for new rose pictures on 
>> the horizon.
>> 
>> If anyone is curious, it's these two:
>> 
>> https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25310/Autumn+Sunset+Hardy+Climbing+Rose
>> https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25643/Tangerine+Skies+Climbing+Rose  
>
>Oh, I like the Tangerine Skies one. How long does it take to start 
>producing flowers?
>

Same here :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-24 Thread david

On 3/20/19 2:51 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

On 20/03/19 13:45, Ted Felix wrote:

On 3/15/19 10:24 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
What would it look like inverted (i.e. white / transparent 
background) and coloured rose (but please remember the 
yellow/orange... :P )


   I was wondering that myself.  Don't think I can do it properly, 
though, the way I'm just fiddling with it in the GIMP.  I'll certainly 
talk to her about this and show her the app icons in GNOME/Ubuntu.


I think you'd need the source, e.g. SVG if done in Inkscape?


Sorry, not an inverted version of the proposed new design. But here's my 
basic version of an SVG based on an enhanced version of the original photo:


http://clanjones.org/rosegardenicon/rosegarden-originalphoto-revision-icon.svg

I test it as an icon by setting up a launcher in XFCE that would just 
run ls (so it does nothing when clicked) and uses the SVG to appear on 
the task bar.


A real graphic artist could make it better, I just twiddled some of the 
trace settings in Inkscape until I got something that was OK with me.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-23 Thread david

On 3/23/19 1:51 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
Speaking of the redesign, are you planning to go in a different 
direction with the splash screen?  I tried to do a new one for every 
major new feature release, and all of them for years were different 
photos of the same rose.  There have been no new splash screens in a 
long time, because that rose declined and died after 20 years.


I finally tracked down what variety it was, and my eye fell on a 
different, very complementary variety, so I bought a couple of those 
too.  I put a lot of love into preparing the ground, and I'll get the 
last of them planted tomorrow.  There are four in all, with some new 
decorative support appliances, and I'm hoping for new rose pictures on 
the horizon.


If anyone is curious, it's these two:

https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25310/Autumn+Sunset+Hardy+Climbing+Rose
https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25643/Tangerine+Skies+Climbing+Rose


Oh, I like the Tangerine Skies one. How long does it take to start 
producing flowers?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-23 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
Speaking of the redesign, are you planning to go in a different 
direction with the splash screen?  I tried to do a new one for every 
major new feature release, and all of them for years were different 
photos of the same rose.  There have been no new splash screens in a 
long time, because that rose declined and died after 20 years.


I finally tracked down what variety it was, and my eye fell on a 
different, very complementary variety, so I bought a couple of those 
too.  I put a lot of love into preparing the ground, and I'll get the 
last of them planted tomorrow.  There are four in all, with some new 
decorative support appliances, and I'm hoping for new rose pictures on 
the horizon.


If anyone is curious, it's these two:

https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25310/Autumn+Sunset+Hardy+Climbing+Rose
https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25643/Tangerine+Skies+Climbing+Rose
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-20 Thread Lorenzo Sutton

On 20/03/19 13:45, Ted Felix wrote:

On 3/15/19 10:24 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
What would it look like inverted (i.e. white / transparent background) 
and coloured rose (but please remember the yellow/orange... :P )


   I was wondering that myself.  Don't think I can do it properly, 
though, the way I'm just fiddling with it in the GIMP.  I'll certainly 
talk to her about this and show her the app icons in GNOME/Ubuntu.




I think you'd need the source, e.g. SVG if done in Inkscape?


Ted.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-20 Thread Ted Felix

On 3/15/19 10:24 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
What would it look like inverted (i.e. white / transparent background) 
and coloured rose (but please remember the yellow/orange... :P )


  I was wondering that myself.  Don't think I can do it properly, 
though, the way I'm just fiddling with it in the GIMP.  I'll certainly 
talk to her about this and show her the app icons in GNOME/Ubuntu.


Ted.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-17 Thread Ted Felix

On 3/16/19 2:02 PM, Chris Cannam wrote:

Website could do with a redesign too, not to mention tightening up the 
content...


  Website redesign is also planned.  Not sure she'll get to it, but 
it's on her mind.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-16 Thread david

On 3/16/19 8:02 AM, Chris Cannam wrote:


On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, at 06:49, david wrote:

Where's the original rose photo? Might be fun to see about SVGing it myself.


See https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/mailman/message/36401431/ (there is an 
attachment link).


Thanks. Nabbed it.


Nobody should listen to me, but I will say that I'm totally fine with changing 
the logo. If it makes active developers and users feel a happy sense of 
ownership then that's a jolly good thing. I quite like the proposed one as it 
happens, but again, don't listen to me.


Once I heard it described as an elephant, and see the elephant, not so 
much a fan of it.



Website could do with a redesign too, not to mention tightening up the 
content...


Not to mention an update edition of Michael's book!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-16 Thread Chris Cannam


On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, at 06:49, david wrote:
> Where's the original rose photo? Might be fun to see about SVGing it myself.

See https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/mailman/message/36401431/ (there is an 
attachment link).

Nobody should listen to me, but I will say that I'm totally fine with changing 
the logo. If it makes active developers and users feel a happy sense of 
ownership then that's a jolly good thing. I quite like the proposed one as it 
happens, but again, don't listen to me.

Website could do with a redesign too, not to mention tightening up the 
content...


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-16 Thread ram
Hi all,

I'd like to see what David W. Jones comes up with.  Traditionally "old"
but "new" probably would be the way to go.

Rich




> On 3/15/19 4:24 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> On 15/03/19 14:40, Ted Felix wrote:
>>> On 3/14/19 3:40 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
 Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which
 would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)
>>>
>>>    I added a tile mockup to the wiki page:
>>>
>>> https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo
>>>
>>
>> What would it look like inverted (i.e. white / transparent background)
>> and coloured rose (but please remember the yellow/orange... :P )
>>
>> That might also address some of the concerns of people who see a too
>> drastic change... After all the current icon is on a transparent
>> background and thus this way we could keep it a bit more familiar..
>
> Looking at it and the existing logo here on my laptop. The text logo is
> fine. The red elephant "g" doesn't do it for me. The rose tile looks
> fine, but I don't like the "g" anymore.
>
> Where's the original rose photo? Might be fun to see about SVGing it
> myself.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-16 Thread david

On 3/15/19 4:24 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

On 15/03/19 14:40, Ted Felix wrote:

On 3/14/19 3:40 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which 
would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)


   I added a tile mockup to the wiki page:

https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo



What would it look like inverted (i.e. white / transparent background) 
and coloured rose (but please remember the yellow/orange... :P )


That might also address some of the concerns of people who see a too 
drastic change... After all the current icon is on a transparent 
background and thus this way we could keep it a bit more familiar..


Looking at it and the existing logo here on my laptop. The text logo is 
fine. The red elephant "g" doesn't do it for me. The rose tile looks 
fine, but I don't like the "g" anymore.


Where's the original rose photo? Might be fun to see about SVGing it myself.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-15 Thread ram
> On 3/14/19 3:40 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which
>> would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)
>
>I was thinking that too.  Not sure the "g" should be so prominent.
> However...  Elephant!
>
>> About the colour.. wondering if some reference to the old logo (yellow,
>> orange tones) could remain.
>
>Of course.  I'll register your vote for this.
>
> Ted.
>

Yeah, I feel the same way. So I'll second that!

Rich

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-15 Thread Lorenzo Sutton

On 15/03/19 14:40, Ted Felix wrote:

On 3/14/19 3:40 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which 
would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)


   I added a tile mockup to the wiki page:

https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo



What would it look like inverted (i.e. white / transparent background) 
and coloured rose (but please remember the yellow/orange... :P )


That might also address some of the concerns of people who see a too 
drastic change... After all the current icon is on a transparent 
background and thus this way we could keep it a bit more familiar..



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-15 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
I saw a giant g very similar to the proposed icon on the side of a 
Canadian trailer, and was briefly nauseous.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-15 Thread Ted Felix

On 3/14/19 3:40 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which 
would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)


  I added a tile mockup to the wiki page:

https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-15 Thread Ted Felix

On 3/14/19 2:56 PM, Dave Serls wrote:

   I can be as arbitrary and idiotic as the next fellow.
   Enlarge the elephant "G" a couple of font sizes and fill with pastel green.


  Ha!  Good stuff.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-15 Thread Ted Felix

On 3/14/19 3:40 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which 
would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)


  I was thinking that too.  Not sure the "g" should be so prominent. 
However...  Elephant!


About the colour.. wondering if some reference to the old logo (yellow, 
orange tones) could remain.


  Of course.  I'll register your vote for this.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-15 Thread Ted Felix

On 3/14/19 1:37 AM, Sami Jumppanen wrote:

My first reaction was "India, elephant!".


  She loves elephants, so you may be on to something here...

Ted.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-14 Thread Sami Jumppanen
Adding my observations from the world and logos: display DPI has gone up.
The old 3D controls (mainly speaking wrt Windows OS) have lost their edge.
UI and logo designs are reaching for clarity - like always, but the
competition and display technology are certainly some of the modern driving
factors. The old yellow rose is nearly blending on the light grey menu
background on my display. Admitting my displays are maybe a yard away (!)
from optimal and bit on the smaller side, but the mixing console takes its
toll :)  So I welcome darker colours with sharper edges. Not that I
couldn't find RG from the menu now.

And I will not go comparing the old vs. new. The old is truly beautiful, I
just don't feel it should be kept for historical reasons. Or, put it
another way: if the project lead wants to change it, I don't have anything
against it. I do value getting different opinions here though.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-14 Thread David W. Jones



On March 14, 2019 8:56:10 AM HST, Dave Serls wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:22:06 -0400
> Ted Felix wrote:
> 
> >I've got a graphic designer working on a new logo for us.  Here's
> one 
> > of her ideas.  Let me know what you all think.
> > 
> >https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo
> > 
> > Ted.
> 
>   I can be as arbitrary and idiotic as the next fellow.
> Enlarge the elephant "G" a couple of font sizes and fill with pastel
> green.

I like that idea.  Or leave it red and add pastel green background.

I like this logo design idea.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-14 Thread D. Michael McIntyre

On 3/14/19 3:38 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:


Personally I'm never really keen on logo changes. People come to recognise them
and automatically associate them with the product/experience. If a change is
needed, it's much better to make it a fairly gradual transition.


The GIMP changed their logo from the gimp head thing to something else, 
and for the longest time I couldn't remember which icon started the thing.


The original font was selected by Chris Cannam back in the day.  I tried 
to change it when we did the huge rewrite, and in the end it was easier 
not to change it than to find something new everybody liked.  If you 
want to get a rise out of Mr. Cannam, just say the word Bauhaus.


The original logo is a photo Richard Bown took in Hyde Park, and it's 
very, um, iconic.  I was just thinking about the best way to make an SVG 
version that captures the feeling in a form that will scale up with 
desktop resolution.  I tried making a suitable replacement many times 
over the years, and we still have his original photo.


The guy doing the work gets to do whatever he wants, and Ted is keeping 
this project alive.


This project has definitely been held back by giving too much in service 
to tradition over the years.  On the other hand, I tried taking the 
totally opposite approach of blowing up tradition and letting people try 
radical new ideas, and some of the ideas seem too radical in retrospect.


As a matter of personal opinion, I can't say I care for the new look.  I 
don't expect my opinion to carry much weight, because I haven't really 
done anything around here in years, but there is my opinion anyway.



This one is a good example. I don't see anything in it that reminds me of the
Rosegarden I've been familiar with for many years.


I fully agree with Will.  That is not a subtle change.  It doesn't say 
"Rosegarden" to me at all.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-14 Thread Dave Serls
On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:22:06 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

>I've got a graphic designer working on a new logo for us.  Here's one 
> of her ideas.  Let me know what you all think.
> 
>https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo
> 
> Ted.
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  I can be as arbitrary and idiotic as the next fellow.
  Enlarge the elephant "G" a couple of font sizes and fill with pastel green.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-14 Thread Lorenzo Sutton

On 14/03/19 06:22, Ted Felix wrote:
   I've got a graphic designer working on a new logo for us.  Here's one 
of her ideas.  Let me know what you all think.


Cool!



   https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo


Looks good... I guess a 'square' concept, i.e. without the text which 
would be used for icons etc. would be useful ;)


About the colour.. wondering if some reference to the old logo (yellow, 
orange tones) could remain. I always liked (and became accustomed) to 
these 'warm' colour combinations in Rosegarden - but that's just my 
personal taste and I understand that many designers prefer monochrome 
logos designs these days :)


Lorenzo.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-14 Thread Will Godfrey
On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:22:06 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

>   I've got a graphic designer working on a new logo for us.  Here's one 
>of her ideas.  Let me know what you all think.
>
>   https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo
>
>Ted.

Personally I'm never really keen on logo changes. People come to recognise them
and automatically associate them with the product/experience. If a change is
needed, it's much better to make it a fairly gradual transition.

This one is a good example. I don't see anything in it that reminds me of the
Rosegarden I've been familiar with for many years. The only time I've thought
such a radical change was appropriate was an engineering company that was
actually moving out of one field into another.

Just my 2d - old money see :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-13 Thread Sami Jumppanen
Hi,

looks interesting. My first reaction was "India, elephant!". Then I see the
spike and all :)  Elephant is positive, friendly, good memory, strong.
India refers to deeper understanding and mental stability. But this is just
my first look and my own analysis. Need to give it more looks during a few
days to see more.


to 14. maalisk. 2019 klo 7.24 Ted Felix  kirjoitti:

>I've got a graphic designer working on a new logo for us.  Here's one
> of her ideas.  Let me know what you all think.
>
>https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo
>
> Ted.
>
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