Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread chuck elliot


On 17/05/2023 15:11, Ted Felix wrote:
Rosegarden tries to match up the synth names from the .rg file with 
the names it finds in ALSA.  If it is making a mess of things, please 
open a bug report with the details and I'll take a look.  It really 
should solidly match everything every time.  I rewrote all of that a 
year or two ago and thought I had nailed it.  Apparently not. 



One area that might cause problems here is with external synths with 
multiple banks.


My Korg M3 has such and they appear as different devices within RG's 
Midi Device Manager.


They all have to be mapped to a single Midi port (2) on an X-Midi 
Interface to connect them


with the physical machine. They often come up dis/mis/connected when I 
load an .rg file.


I have never been sure where the source of this problem is, given that 
ALSA regularly


remaps devices (hw:0 etc) to different interfaces depending on how the 
system


presents them (so e.g. you have to be careful how you start JACKD).

However, my guess would be that it is within RG since it can 
identify/distinguish the


instruments and likewise the different MIDI ports regardless of how ALSA 
sees them (?)





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread Ted Felix

On 5/17/23 2:09 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
As an aside, because both Rosegarden _and_ Yoshimi will have upcoming 
releases quite soon I was thinking of maybe doing a quick 'how-to' video 
on 'quick piece prototyping with Rosegarden and Yoshimi'... If it is 
interesting for people :-)


  I would love to see this.  Always nice to see people using this 
stuff.  Gives me motivation.


I _think_ Rosegarden tries to re-connect stuff when you load a saved 
file and that has messed up my connections a few times.


  Rosegarden tries to match up the synth names from the .rg file with 
the names it finds in ALSA.  If it is making a mess of things, please 
open a bug report with the details and I'll take a look.  It really 
should solidly match everything every time.  I rewrote all of that a 
year or two ago and thought I had nailed it.  Apparently not.


Ted.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread krsgrdn
Wed, 17 May 2023 08:15:25 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> On 17/05/2023 01:31, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Tue, 16 May 2023 09:38:18 +0100
> > chuck elliot  :
> > 
> >> I have experienced similar phenomena using external/physical synths while
> >>
> >> Qsynth was also running. Even though the Qsynth midi output port was not
> >> mapped to any
> >>
> >> midi playback device or instrument within MIDI Device Manager in RG,
> >> Qsynth was playing notes from tracks that were mapped
> >>
> >> to my external synths. That struck me as anomalous behaviour but at the
> >> time I just got round it by
> >>
> >> turning the Qsynth volume down. Is it possibly to do with Jack settings
> >> within RG/Qsynth where Jack is
> > 
> > I disable all automatic connections that I could find
> > and then connected all the synths I use to rosegarden.
> > This resulted in no sound at all, so next I also
> > connected them to system and that seems to have fixed
> > the problem (UFN).
> > 
> > Readable Hydrogen, qSynth & Yoshimi are all connected
> > to Writable rosegarden & system
> > 
> > Readable rosegarden is connected to Writable system
> > 
> > Readable system is not connected
> > 
> > I have no idea what other connections might have been
> > made automatically under the suspected prefs actions.
> 
> Ah, I obviously replied to the previous thread before reading this (it 
> _is_ early morning over here...), still it might help for future 
> reference in the mailing list archive :-)

It's early here NOW  {blinking around 66w}

> So, seems 'auto' connections might have been the culprit!

99% by the lookathings, I just hope this don't become 
another one of my famous last words :-)  It's been a 
real PITA and desperation, you can't imagine how pleased
I am at the prospect of beeing free of it.




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread krsgrdn
Wed, 17 May 2023 08:09:06 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> Hi,
> 
> On 17/05/2023 00:51, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Tue, 16 May 2023 08:27:17 +0200
> > Lorenzo Sutton  :

> > https://i.imgur.com/ST1XpY8.png
> 
> One thing I noticed from your screenshot is that in the QjackCtl 
> Connection window you are showing the 'Audio' tab, while what I was 
> showing is the 'ALSA' tab which are ALSA Midi connections...
> 
> > If my setup sucks I'd appreciate a step-by-step
> > alternative. 
> 
> Personally I'd say it's definitely a valid set-up. Now-a-days I tend not 
> to use DSSIs any more and use what I referred to as 'external' meaning 
> also software running outside of rosegarden (like Yoshimi or FluidSynth 
> or even Carla, etc.). There are pros and cons to both set-ups and this 
> is general to any sequencer / DAW IMHO.
> What I like about the more modular set-up is that I can e.g. do quick 
> musical 'sketches' by just firing the FluidSynth General Midi soundfont 
> or Yoshimi and connecting to those, then 'refine' the sound addding 
> other synths etc.
> But again it really depends on one's personal 'creative flow' :-)

All "I" do with rosegarden is make myself some backing tracks
which I want to sound just right so it's hours and hours of 
tweaking for the sounds AND the relative volumes. This last 
bit is where RG's internal mixer is a godsend with sliding
controls ready for a reference screenshot etc. 

...


> I will say I use Yoshimi (stand-alone) a _lot_ and always control 
> instrument parameters from Yoshimi directly. If this is interesting I 
> can go more into the set-up maybe in another thread.
> 
> As an aside, because both Rosegarden _and_ Yoshimi will have upcoming 
> releases quite soon I was thinking of maybe doing a quick 'how-to' video 
> on 'quick piece prototyping with Rosegarden and Yoshimi'... If it is 
> interesting for people :-)

Yess, yess, yess, PLEASE.

I am intending to get familiar with Yoshimi, if only 
because I've heard that a lot of work has gone into 
it and the sounds are great.


> >> Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices)
> >> doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is
> >> connected to multiple ALSA inputs.
> >>
> >> However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its
> >> connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).
> >>
> >> Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a
> >> situation which could be similar to what you describe, where Rosegarden
> >> would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general midi soundfont
> >> and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:
> >>
> >> https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1
> > 
> > I ususally leave qJackctl do the auto connections, as
> > shown in the snapshot.
> 
> I'm wondering if in your case there's some levels of 'auto' connections 
> / wizardry going on which essentially ends up connecting the output 
> meant for Hydrogen to QSynth as well?
> 
> I _think_ Rosegarden tries to re-connect stuff when you load a saved 
> file and that has messed up my connections a few times.
> 
> Typically I've found out that the best approach is to start Rosegarden 
> *first*, load the file and _then_ load external synths like QSynth, 
> Yoshimi etc.

I've been doing it the other way around: qjackctl, qsynth, 
hydrogen, maybe Zynn or Yoshimi, and last RG probably 
because of the auto connections! 


...
> > I reported it way back when. A segment might
> > just like hang on the last note played which
> > then continues as one of infinite duration.
> 
> I'm not sure what this could be. A shot in the dark: is that last note 
> at the very very end of the piece? In that case adding a 'blank' measure 
> might help?

NO, last time I ran into it it was mid way, the track just
hung on the last note played. Pretty sure it's related.
 


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread David W. Jones



On May 16, 2023 8:09:06 PM HST, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> I will say I use Yoshimi (stand-alone) a _lot_ and always control instrument 
> parameters from Yoshimi directly. If this is interesting I can go more into 
> the set-up maybe in another thread.

YES! Please. I am considering replacing my 61-key basic Yamaha PSR series 
keyboard with an 88-key MIDI controller driving Yoshimi, QSynth, and Aeolus and 
other softsynths.

> As an aside, because both Rosegarden _and_ Yoshimi will have upcoming 
> releases quite soon I was thinking of maybe doing a quick 'how-to' video on 
> 'quick piece prototyping with Rosegarden and Yoshimi'... If it is interesting 
> for people :-)

Yes, please!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread Lorenzo Sutton

On 17/05/2023 01:31, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

Tue, 16 May 2023 09:38:18 +0100
chuck elliot  :


I have experienced similar phenomena using external/physical synths while

Qsynth was also running. Even though the Qsynth midi output port was not
mapped to any

midi playback device or instrument within MIDI Device Manager in RG,
Qsynth was playing notes from tracks that were mapped

to my external synths. That struck me as anomalous behaviour but at the
time I just got round it by

turning the Qsynth volume down. Is it possibly to do with Jack settings
within RG/Qsynth where Jack is


I disable all automatic connections that I could find
and then connected all the synths I use to rosegarden.
This resulted in no sound at all, so next I also
connected them to system and that seems to have fixed
the problem (UFN).

Readable Hydrogen, qSynth & Yoshimi are all connected
to Writable rosegarden & system

Readable rosegarden is connected to Writable system

Readable system is not connected

I have no idea what other connections might have been
made automatically under the suspected prefs actions.


Ah, I obviously replied to the previous thread before reading this (it 
_is_ early morning over here...), still it might help for future 
reference in the mailing list archive :-)


So, seems 'auto' connections might have been the culprit!




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread Lorenzo Sutton

Hi,

On 17/05/2023 00:51, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

Tue, 16 May 2023 08:27:17 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :





https://i.imgur.com/ST1XpY8.png


One thing I noticed from your screenshot is that in the QjackCtl 
Connection window you are showing the 'Audio' tab, while what I was 
showing is the 'ALSA' tab which are ALSA Midi connections...





If my setup sucks I'd appreciate a step-by-step
alternative. 


Personally I'd say it's definitely a valid set-up. Now-a-days I tend not 
to use DSSIs any more and use what I referred to as 'external' meaning 
also software running outside of rosegarden (like Yoshimi or FluidSynth 
or even Carla, etc.). There are pros and cons to both set-ups and this 
is general to any sequencer / DAW IMHO.
What I like about the more modular set-up is that I can e.g. do quick 
musical 'sketches' by just firing the FluidSynth General Midi soundfont 
or Yoshimi and connecting to those, then 'refine' the sound addding 
other synths etc.

But again it really depends on one's personal 'creative flow' :-)

I usually use GM and ZASF-dssi sounds

after also having used 'external' ZynAddSubFX. I
gave up the standalone Zyn because the dssi gives
the same sounds with ease of use since they are
shown in the volume mixer. I'd love to see a
Yoshimi-dssi but understand that one isn't coming.


I'm not really 'using' Yoshimi yet, just getting warmed
up to it with a view to having IT replace the Zyn dssi
which is a total fubar (numbers are changing with every
version change).




I will say I use Yoshimi (stand-alone) a _lot_ and always control 
instrument parameters from Yoshimi directly. If this is interesting I 
can go more into the set-up maybe in another thread.


As an aside, because both Rosegarden _and_ Yoshimi will have upcoming 
releases quite soon I was thinking of maybe doing a quick 'how-to' video 
on 'quick piece prototyping with Rosegarden and Yoshimi'... If it is 
interesting for people :-)









Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices)
doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is
connected to multiple ALSA inputs.

However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its
connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).

Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a
situation which could be similar to what you describe, where Rosegarden
would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general midi soundfont
and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1


I ususally leave qJackctl do the auto connections, as
shown in the snapshot.


I'm wondering if in your case there's some levels of 'auto' connections 
/ wizardry going on which essentially ends up connecting the output 
meant for Hydrogen to QSynth as well?


I _think_ Rosegarden tries to re-connect stuff when you load a saved 
file and that has messed up my connections a few times.


Typically I've found out that the best approach is to start Rosegarden 
*first*, load the file and _then_ load external synths like QSynth, 
Yoshimi etc.







Is there a rosegarden 'upload' facility where I could
upload the *.rg file consisting of just these 2 tracks?


Not that I know of, but I think some file sharing and pasting the link
here would be OK.
Still the RG file itself might not be helpful in understanding your
issue because it most probably depends on what Rosegarden's MIDI
'output' is connecting to on your system (see above)


True, I'm starting to see that now, I was tryiong
to erase the segment contents in vain until blue in
the face!


  

I've had issues before with notes not ending/closing,
is there a way to start a new track but paste the entire
staff and NOTHING but the staff notes to it?


This seems unrelated to the 'synth problem' you describe? Could you
provide a bit more detail maybe?


I reported it way back when. A segment might
just like hang on the last note played which
then continues as one of infinite duration.


I'm not sure what this could be. A shot in the dark: is that last note 
at the very very end of the piece? In that case adding a 'blank' measure 
might help?


[...]

Lorenzo



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-16 Thread krsgrdn
Tue, 16 May 2023 09:38:18 +0100
chuck elliot  :

> I have experienced similar phenomena using external/physical synths while
> 
> Qsynth was also running. Even though the Qsynth midi output port was not 
> mapped to any
> 
> midi playback device or instrument within MIDI Device Manager in RG, 
> Qsynth was playing notes from tracks that were mapped
> 
> to my external synths. That struck me as anomalous behaviour but at the 
> time I just got round it by
> 
> turning the Qsynth volume down. Is it possibly to do with Jack settings 
> within RG/Qsynth where Jack is

I disable all automatic connections that I could find
and then connected all the synths I use to rosegarden.
This resulted in no sound at all, so next I also 
connected them to system and that seems to have fixed 
the problem (UFN).

Readable Hydrogen, qSynth & Yoshimi are all connected 
to Writable rosegarden & system

Readable rosegarden is connected to Writable system

Readable system is not connected 

I have no idea what other connections might have been 
made automatically under the suspected prefs actions.

Thanks!






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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-16 Thread krsgrdn
Tue, 16 May 2023 08:27:17 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> Hi,
> 
> On 16/05/2023 01:30, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have two tracks with drum segments on each that I assign
> > to the Hydrogen drum synth. Problem is that the sound output
> > is not Hydrogen but Grand Piano form the GM synth, just
> > yesterday this changed to BOTH the grand AND the drum kit
> > sounds seemingly depending on the staff note.
> 
>  From what you describe it seems your two tracks are connected via ALSA 
> MIDI to both Hydrogen _and_ some General Midi Synth.

I can't put a finger on it, it seems LIKE after some 
playbacks qSynth is hogging partly or completely the 
midi output channel assigned to Hydrogen.

INITIALLY starting with just qjackctl, hydrogen 
and rosegarden.  no problem

Start with qjackctl, hydrogen, yoshimi and 
rosegarden. no problem

Start with just qjackctl, qSynth and rosegarden.
all drum tracks output General-Midi grand-piano 

Start with qjackctl, hydrogen, qSynth and rosegarden.
all drum tracks output grand-piano sound except if
qsynth is NOT given an output channel 

After another while it no longer matters if qSynth 
is or is not paired to an output channel, when this 
stage is reached closing qSyth is the only out.


> I'm assuming you are connecting to Hydrogen and the 'GM synth' 
> externally e.g. via QSynth? (i.e. not using DSSI within Rosegarden)

I use the ZynAddSubFX (ZASF) dssi. I 'think' that my use of
Hydrogen and qSynth and Yoshimi would be called 'external'.
I have hsit for brains when it comes to such jargon. 

I start qSynth because without it I get no GM sounds.  

Here's a typical setup, I tried to show as much as possible 
in one snapshot.

https://i.imgur.com/ST1XpY8.png

If my setup sucks I'd appreciate a step-by-step 
alternative. I usually use GM and ZASF-dssi sounds
after also having used 'external' ZynAddSubFX. I 
gave up the standalone Zyn because the dssi gives
the same sounds with ease of use since they are 
shown in the volume mixer. I'd love to see a 
Yoshimi-dssi but understand that one isn't coming.  


I'm not really 'using' Yoshimi yet, just getting warmed 
up to it with a view to having IT replace the Zyn dssi 
which is a total fubar (numbers are changing with every 
version change).






> Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices) 
> doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is 
> connected to multiple ALSA inputs.
> 
> However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its 
> connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).
> 
> Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a 
> situation which could be similar to what you describe, where Rosegarden 
> would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general midi soundfont 
> and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:
> 
> https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1

I ususally leave qJackctl do the auto connections, as
shown in the snapshot.



> > Is there a rosegarden 'upload' facility where I could
> > upload the *.rg file consisting of just these 2 tracks?
> 
> Not that I know of, but I think some file sharing and pasting the link 
> here would be OK.
> Still the RG file itself might not be helpful in understanding your 
> issue because it most probably depends on what Rosegarden's MIDI 
> 'output' is connecting to on your system (see above)

True, I'm starting to see that now, I was tryiong 
to erase the segment contents in vain until blue in 
the face!


 
> > I've had issues before with notes not ending/closing,
> > is there a way to start a new track but paste the entire
> > staff and NOTHING but the staff notes to it?
> 
> This seems unrelated to the 'synth problem' you describe? Could you 
> provide a bit more detail maybe?

I reported it way back when. A segment might 
just like hang on the last note played which 
then continues as one of infinite duration.
If you have many tracks going you might not 
even notice until you silence all tracks except
that one. It doesn't happen as much as it used 
to but I ran into it again a few weeks back. 
I think it could be related because if I remember
correctly it was usually the wrong instrument 
on top of it. Problem is that at 79 my memory,
still razor sharp, is no longer wider than the 
blade edge :-(

 


> Anyway from what I understand you have two options:
> 
> 1.
> To do what you describe I usually just copy / paste the segments 
> (possibly all of them) from a track to the new one. Or, even better, 
> clone them by doing CTRL + mouse-drag.
> 
> If you really want to make sure to get rid of anything but notes (and 
> maybe musical elements like clefs) you can open the segment in the list 
> editor. Select everything in the left-side filter except 'Notes' and 
> 'Other'. Do CTRL + A (i.e. select all), and then 'DEL' (delete everything).
> 
> 2.
> Actually when copy/pasting stuff this also works:
> - Select all notes in the notation or 

Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-16 Thread krsgrdn
Tue, 16 May 2023 08:27:17 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> Hi,
> 
> On 16/05/2023 01:30, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have two tracks with drum segments on each that I assign
> > to the Hydrogen drum synth. Problem is that the sound output
> > is not Hydrogen but Grand Piano form the GM synth, just
> > yesterday this changed to BOTH the grand AND the drum kit
> > sounds seemingly depending on the staff note.
> 
>  From what you describe it seems your two tracks are connected via ALSA 
> MIDI to both Hydrogen _and_ some General Midi Synth.

Great response, much appreciated! Being no genius at
this a babylon of synths is a distinct possibility :-)
I'll look at it from this point of view tonight and 
provide more detail. 




> I'm assuming you are connecting to Hydrogen and the 'GM synth' 
> externally e.g. via QSynth? (i.e. not using DSSI within Rosegarden)
> 
> Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices) 
> doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is 
> connected to multiple ALSA inputs.
> 
> However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its 
> connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).
> 
> Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a 
> situation which could be similar to what you describe, where Rosegarden 
> would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general midi soundfont 
> and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:
> 
> https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1
> 
> [...]
> 
> > 
> > Is there a rosegarden 'upload' facility where I could
> > upload the *.rg file consisting of just these 2 tracks?
> 
> Not that I know of, but I think some file sharing and pasting the link 
> here would be OK.
> Still the RG file itself might not be helpful in understanding your 
> issue because it most probably depends on what Rosegarden's MIDI 
> 'output' is connecting to on your system (see above)
> 
> > 
> > I've had issues before with notes not ending/closing,
> > is there a way to start a new track but paste the entire
> > staff and NOTHING but the staff notes to it?
> 
> This seems unrelated to the 'synth problem' you describe? Could you 
> provide a bit more detail maybe?
> Anyway from what I understand you have two options:
> 
> 1.
> To do what you describe I usually just copy / paste the segments 
> (possibly all of them) from a track to the new one. Or, even better, 
> clone them by doing CTRL + mouse-drag.
> 
> If you really want to make sure to get rid of anything but notes (and 
> maybe musical elements like clefs) you can open the segment in the list 
> editor. Select everything in the left-side filter except 'Notes' and 
> 'Other'. Do CTRL + A (i.e. select all), and then 'DEL' (delete everything).
> 
> 2.
> Actually when copy/pasting stuff this also works:
> - Select all notes in the notation or matrix editor. Copy (e.g. CTRL + C)
> - Now go to the main window (segment / track view).
> - Select the desired target track
> - Paste
> 
> In this case AFAIK only notes are pasted (e.g. I'm quite sure Control 
> changes are not...)
> 
> If you do it like this, do be careful of where the playhead is because 
> this is where the first note will be pasted and if that not is _not_ at 
> the start of the segment you will most probably have a mis-aligned 
> segment ;-) - YMMV
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Lorenzo
> 
> 
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-16 Thread chuck elliot

I have experienced similar phenomena using external/physical synths while

Qsynth was also running. Even though the Qsynth midi output port was not 
mapped to any


midi playback device or instrument within MIDI Device Manager in RG, 
Qsynth was playing notes from tracks that were mapped


to my external synths. That struck me as anomalous behaviour but at the 
time I just got round it by


turning the Qsynth volume down. Is it possibly to do with Jack settings 
within RG/Qsynth where Jack is


told to automatically connect inputs/outputs? TBH I have not taken the 
time to get properly familiar


with Jack and just use it to hear my audio tracks so I put it down to my 
ignorance rather than an RG bug.




Regards.


On 16/05/2023 7:27 am, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

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Hi,

On 16/05/2023 01:30, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:


Hello,

I have two tracks with drum segments on each that I assign
to the Hydrogen drum synth. Problem is that the sound output
is not Hydrogen but Grand Piano form the GM synth, just
yesterday this changed to BOTH the grand AND the drum kit
sounds seemingly depending on the staff note.


From what you describe it seems your two tracks are connected via ALSA 
MIDI to both Hydrogen _and_ some General Midi Synth.


I'm assuming you are connecting to Hydrogen and the 'GM synth' 
externally e.g. via QSynth? (i.e. not using DSSI within Rosegarden)


Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices) 
doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is 
connected to multiple ALSA inputs.


However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its 
connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).


Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a 
situation which could be similar to what you describe, where 
Rosegarden would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general 
midi soundfont and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:


https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1

[...]



Is there a rosegarden 'upload' facility where I could
upload the *.rg file consisting of just these 2 tracks?


Not that I know of, but I think some file sharing and pasting the link 
here would be OK.
Still the RG file itself might not be helpful in understanding your 
issue because it most probably depends on what Rosegarden's MIDI 
'output' is connecting to on your system (see above)




I've had issues before with notes not ending/closing,
is there a way to start a new track but paste the entire
staff and NOTHING but the staff notes to it?


This seems unrelated to the 'synth problem' you describe? Could you 
provide a bit more detail maybe?

Anyway from what I understand you have two options:

1.
To do what you describe I usually just copy / paste the segments 
(possibly all of them) from a track to the new one. Or, even better, 
clone them by doing CTRL + mouse-drag.


If you really want to make sure to get rid of anything but notes (and 
maybe musical elements like clefs) you can open the segment in the 
list editor. Select everything in the left-side filter except 'Notes' 
and 'Other'. Do CTRL + A (i.e. select all), and then 'DEL' (delete 
everything).


2.
Actually when copy/pasting stuff this also works:
- Select all notes in the notation or matrix editor. Copy (e.g. CTRL + C)
- Now go to the main window (segment / track view).
- Select the desired target track
- Paste

In this case AFAIK only notes are pasted (e.g. I'm quite sure Control 
changes are not...)


If you do it like this, do be careful of where the playhead is because 
this is where the first note will be pasted and if that not is _not_ 
at the start of the segment you will most probably have a mis-aligned 
segment ;-) - YMMV


Hope this helps.
Lorenzo




TIA




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-16 Thread Lorenzo Sutton

Hi,

On 16/05/2023 01:30, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:


Hello,

I have two tracks with drum segments on each that I assign
to the Hydrogen drum synth. Problem is that the sound output
is not Hydrogen but Grand Piano form the GM synth, just
yesterday this changed to BOTH the grand AND the drum kit
sounds seemingly depending on the staff note.


From what you describe it seems your two tracks are connected via ALSA 
MIDI to both Hydrogen _and_ some General Midi Synth.


I'm assuming you are connecting to Hydrogen and the 'GM synth' 
externally e.g. via QSynth? (i.e. not using DSSI within Rosegarden)


Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices) 
doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is 
connected to multiple ALSA inputs.


However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its 
connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).


Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a 
situation which could be similar to what you describe, where Rosegarden 
would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general midi soundfont 
and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:


https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1

[...]



Is there a rosegarden 'upload' facility where I could
upload the *.rg file consisting of just these 2 tracks?


Not that I know of, but I think some file sharing and pasting the link 
here would be OK.
Still the RG file itself might not be helpful in understanding your 
issue because it most probably depends on what Rosegarden's MIDI 
'output' is connecting to on your system (see above)




I've had issues before with notes not ending/closing,
is there a way to start a new track but paste the entire
staff and NOTHING but the staff notes to it?


This seems unrelated to the 'synth problem' you describe? Could you 
provide a bit more detail maybe?

Anyway from what I understand you have two options:

1.
To do what you describe I usually just copy / paste the segments 
(possibly all of them) from a track to the new one. Or, even better, 
clone them by doing CTRL + mouse-drag.


If you really want to make sure to get rid of anything but notes (and 
maybe musical elements like clefs) you can open the segment in the list 
editor. Select everything in the left-side filter except 'Notes' and 
'Other'. Do CTRL + A (i.e. select all), and then 'DEL' (delete everything).


2.
Actually when copy/pasting stuff this also works:
- Select all notes in the notation or matrix editor. Copy (e.g. CTRL + C)
- Now go to the main window (segment / track view).
- Select the desired target track
- Paste

In this case AFAIK only notes are pasted (e.g. I'm quite sure Control 
changes are not...)


If you do it like this, do be careful of where the playhead is because 
this is where the first note will be pasted and if that not is _not_ at 
the start of the segment you will most probably have a mis-aligned 
segment ;-) - YMMV


Hope this helps.
Lorenzo




TIA



   



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