Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-10-17 Thread Felipe Victolla Silveira
Hi all, First of all, I would like to thank you for your input and the engaged discussion. It is highly appreciated and helps us to decide how to proceed with our new service. After carefully going through the different points raised, we have decided to proceed with the deployment of the

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-10-12 Thread Randy Bush
yup. or to put it in nerdish, from 8181 The authentication and message integrity architecture of the publication protocol is essentially identical to the architecture used in [RFC6492] because the participants in this protocol are the same CA engines as in RFC 6492; this allows reuse

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-10-12 Thread Felipe Victolla Silveira
f Felipe Victolla > Silveira > Date: Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 16:15 > To: "routing-wg@ripe.net" > Subject: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested > > Dear all, > > As some of you are aware, the RIPE NCC has been working on a new service for >

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-10-06 Thread Erik Bais
something to do with some RIPE resource … Looking forward to your reply, Regards, Erik Bais From: routing-wg on behalf of Felipe Victolla Silveira Date: Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 16:15 To: "routing-wg@ripe.net" Subject: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested Dear all

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-10-03 Thread Randy Bush
a friend has asked me about the possibility of DoS of a CA pushing random dren to a publication point; e.g. rsc signed kernel binaries, etc. obviously, it would have been unwise for the 8181 publication protocol to enumerate the allowed objects, or it would need to be updated every time the ietf

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-30 Thread Randy Bush
aol ignas < rant > sorry, i may be misusing "CA." an op's server (a Certificate Authority) holds one or more certificates; at least one per parent for which it has subsidiary objects. [ CA != cert ] i do not use the term 'operator' because an operator could have multiple whole CA set-ups. ]

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-30 Thread Cynthia Revström via routing-wg
(re-sent due to issue with list and rephrasing) I agree with Tim here and do not support any such restrictions. I also think that the service should be available to anyone, not just LIRs. As Tim and others have mentioned it doesn't make sense to compare RPKI and IRR because RPKI doesn't rely on

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-30 Thread David Farmer via routing-wg
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:03 PM Erik Bais wrote: > Hi David, > > > Both the AS number and the prefix(es) are resources issued by an RIR. > Are you saying both the AS number and the prefix(es) for ROA must be issued > by RIPE to be accepted? I think that would be overly restrictive. > > > I

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-30 Thread Felipe Victolla Silveira
Hi Ignas, We presented the Terms and Conditions to the Board. At that stage one of the elements of the T brought up the topic of whether this could be a member agreement or whether it needed to be an agreement that could be signed by non-members. And that brought us to a discussion on whether

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-30 Thread Ignas Bagdonas
Hi there. Following a discussion with the Executive Board in our meeting last June, > we would like to ask our community for input on the requirements for this > service. The service was originally designed to allow all objects to be > published in our repositories, regardless of whether the

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-30 Thread Lukas Tribus
On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 09:59, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > I disagree that having out-of-region objects in the RIPE NCC RPKI repository > creates a mess. The comparison with IRR is wrong for a number of reasons. I completely agree, the comparison with IRR is wrong and makes no sense at all. We are

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-30 Thread Tim Bruijnzeels
Hi, > On 29 Sep 2022, at 16:15, Felipe Victolla Silveira wrote: > > The service was originally designed to allow all objects to be published in > our repositories, regardless of whether the associated resources are part of > the RIPE NCC or another RIR, and this is how we would like to

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-30 Thread Jay Borkenhagen
Erik Bais writes: > We worked for years with irrdb’s like radb that would accept everything from > everywhere .. I hoped we learned something from that mess at the design > table .. > > So again, not excluding anyone .. just push the stuff where it belongs … > Again, RPKI != IRR. In

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-29 Thread Erik Bais
Hi David, > Both the AS number and the prefix(es) are resources issued by an RIR. Are you > saying both the AS number and the prefix(es) for ROA must be issued by RIPE > to be accepted? I think that would be overly restrictive. > I could see maybe only accepting ROAs authorizing address

[routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-29 Thread Alex Le Heux
Hi Felipe, > If you are potential user of this service, what are your expectations for its > functionality? Do you want to be able to publish all your objects in RIPE NCC > repositories, regardless of whether they are from the RIPE NCC or not? Or > will you publish each object in the

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-29 Thread David Farmer via routing-wg
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 2:11 PM Erik Bais wrote: > Hi Randy, > > > so, you would exclude CAs which have resources from multiple RIRs? > > > I didn’t say that.. the question from the NCC is .. do we want to run an > non restictive publication point and support whatever someone uploads to it > ..

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-29 Thread Erik Bais
Hi Randy, > so, you would exclude CAs which have resources from multiple RIRs? I didn’t say that.. the question from the NCC is .. do we want to run an non restictive publication point and support whatever someone uploads to it .. or do we need to restrict it to ripe region resources.. if

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-29 Thread Erik Bais
Hi Randy, The question isn’t about some ( non-RIR ) publication point .. but if the RIPE NCC should support an open publication point .. or a more restricted one.. And I would say that a more restricted version is preferred. ( due to the number of support tickets at the NCC). If you don’t

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-29 Thread Randy Bush
> If you ask me, publishing at the RIR that also provided the resources > should be the only way … nope. consider that someone could put up a highly reliable publication service and i might want to use it. the protocols were designed specifically to accommodate a variety of publishers. > As a

Re: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-29 Thread Erik Bais
From: routing-wg on behalf of Felipe Victolla Silveira Date: Thursday 29 September 2022 at 16:15 To: "routing-wg@ripe.net" Subject: [routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested Dear all, As some of you are aware, the RIPE NCC has been working on a new service for RPKI, call

[routing-wg] Publish in Parent - input requested

2022-09-29 Thread Felipe Victolla Silveira
Dear all, As some of you are aware, the RIPE NCC has been working on a new service for RPKI, called Publish in Parent. This service is intended for RPKI users who have chosen to run their own Certificate Authority (delegated RPKI) but don’t want to take the burden of maintaining a highly