Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

2009-12-23 Thread Matthew Seaman

Zach Boettner wrote:

I meant to send this in my last email. What is wrong with the following? I
am getting HTTP 403 error when trying to access
http://servername/rt/index.html

Alias /rt/ /usr/local/share/rt38/html
Directory /usr/local/share/rt38/html
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory

PerlRequire /usr/local/share/rt38/bin/webmux.pl
Location /rt/
AddDefaultCharset UTF-8
SetHandler perl-script
PerlHandler RT::Mason
/Location


Please keep the rt-users mailinglist in the loop rather than sending to me
directly.  


You want something like this for your Apache conf:

VirtualHost rt.example.org:80
   ServerName rt.example.org
   DocumentRoot /usr/local/share/rt38/html
   AddDefaultCharset UTF-8

   PassEnv PATH

   ## Uncomment the following, change port number to 443 above and obtain key 
and
   ## cert if you want HTTPS:
   #SSLEngine on
   #SSLCipherSuite RSA:!EXP:!NULL:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:-LOW
   #SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/www/apache22/certs/rt.example.org-cert.pem
   #SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/www/apache22/certs/rt.example.org-key.pem

   Directory /usr/local/share/rt38/html
   Options none
   AllowOverride none

   Order Deny,Allow
   Allow from all
   /Directory

   PerlRequire /usr/local/bin/webmux.pl

   Location /NoAuth/images
   SetHandler default
   /Location
   Location /
  SetHandler perl-script
  PerlHandler RT::Mason
   /Location
/VirtualHost

This assumes:

  * Apache 2.x
  * You have a separate rt.example.org hostname that is only used for RT
  * RT is based at the root of the site.

To make RT appear in a sub directory ... ie http://rt.example.org/rt/ you need
to add an alias before the Location sections:

  Alias /rt/ /usr/local/share/rt38/html

and then add a leading /rt/ to the locations:

   Location /rt/NoAuth/images
   SetHandler default
   /Location
   Location /rt/
  SetHandler perl-script
  PerlHandler RT::Mason
   /Location

However you arrange the site, you will have to make sure that RT_SiteConfig.pm
conforms to the same layout.

Cheers,

Matthew

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[rt-users] Set a Ticket and associates to Confidential

2009-12-23 Thread Raimund Sacherer
Hello Mailinglist.


I have a special requirement from our client. There are different groups of 
tickets, which I clearly can distinguish with queues, but I need the 
possibility to define a Ticket as confidential. e.g., if there are sensitive 
log data which should only be known to few people, etc.

It has to be more or less hassle free to Operate, so I was thinking:

Create a Queue Confidential.
This Queue has a group associated where only the administrator (chief of 
department) is defined.
If a Ticket get's into this queue, only the administrator can view/edit it, and 
he add's the people who should be able to see the ticket as admincc's.
Ideally only he and the defined admincc's for this Ticket would be able to view 
and edit this Ticket.

I tried it but it did not work, I assume because the persons do not have the 
rights.

I read alot in the wiki and one thing popped into my head: for a ticket to be 
shown you need the ShowTicket right to both, the ticket and it's queue.

So, how can I easily grant specific persons the ShowTicket right on the 
confidential queue so they are only able to see *this* ticket (and associated 
tickets as I want to implement this with RTIR).


Or is there another way to define a Ticket (or Inscident/Report/Investigation) 
confidential?

Thanks for help,

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[rt-users] [Fwd: Re: RT With FastCGI]

2009-12-23 Thread josé fernandez
Thank you for your help. It's a bit better but I have a problem
apparently apache2 configuration. Here is the message I log in apache2:

[warn] FastCGI: server /opt/rt3/bin/mason_handler.fcgi has failed to
remain running for 30 seconds given 3 attempts, its restart interval has
been backed off to 600 seconds

An idea?

Thank you


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Sujet: Re: [rt-users] RT With FastCGI
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:44:39 -0800 (PST)


I would start by giving a real path to your DocRoot and
ScriptAlias lines.  Lose the extra space between '/' and
'opt...'

Restart apache and test again.

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:13:37 +0100
Subject: [rt-users] RT With FastCGI

Hello,

I want to use FastCGI with RT. So I installed the modules
libcgi-fast-perl and libapache2-mod-fastcgi of Apache2 and Apache2 is my
configuration:

VirtualHost X.x.x.x:80

ServerName www.example.com
DocumentRoot /opt/rt3/share/html

ErrorLog / var/log/apache2/rt/error.log
CustomLog / var/log/apache2/rt/access.log combined
   
   AddHandler fastcgi-script fcgi
   ScriptAlias /rt /opt/rt3/bin/mason_handler.fcgi /
   Directory /opt/rt3
   Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
   AllowOverride None
   / Directory

/ VirtualHost

apache2.conf then I added:

# Number of processes is tunable, but you need at least 3 or 4
FastCgiServer /opt/rt3/bin/mason_handler.fcgi-idle-timeout
120-processes 4

I have an error message and can not access RT because I have a 500
error. When I checked my logs this is what I have:

FastCGI: comm with server / opt/rt3/bin/mason_handler.fcgi aborted:idle 
timeout (30 sec)
 FastCGI: incomplete headers (0 bytes) received from server 
/opt/rt3/bin/mason_handler.fcgi

Have you an idea of the problem?

Thank you


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[rt-users] Is there an easy way to disable attach files?

2009-12-23 Thread Carlos Garcia Montoro

Hi,

I'm being responsible to deploy RT on our institution. My boss doesn't 
want to allow the upload of attached files to tickets, so I'm disabling 
it. I thought that it would be possible though etc/RT_SiteConfig.pm. I 
have set MaxAttachmentSize to 0, but even with a 0 value the system let 
me upload files which I can later retrieve (hence they are on the database).


I now that I can copy every share/html file where there is an upload 
field to local/html and edit them to remove the code that shows this 
field, but that means at least editing 3 pages (Ticket/Create.html, 
Ticket/Update.html and Ticket/ModifyAll.html). Before I continue, I ask 
myself, and want to ask you, if there is an easier/better way to disable 
the upload of files.


Any advice is, as always, very welcome.

Regards, and Marry Christmas,
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[rt-users] Search Tickets for Non-Staff users

2009-12-23 Thread Rui Vitor Figueiras Meireles

Is it possible for Non-Staff Users to search Tickets with an interface similar 
to the one available to Staff Users?
(Simple Search / Tickets)

I'd really like to have a Search Feature and I don't know how to.

Thanks.
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Re: [rt-users] RTFM and bulk update

2009-12-23 Thread Kevin Falcone
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 02:28:07PM -0800, Dallas Wisehaupt wrote:
 We are looking at trying to use RTFM to do bulk comments on a set of
 search results. I have been able to get the BeforeMessage Callback set
 and Bulk.html updated so that the article can be searched for and
 included on the bulk update page. The code is essentially ripped from
 share/html/Ticket/Update.html and inserted into a local version of
 Search/Bulk.html.
 
 However, I've run into a snag/oddity, if I choose an article to
 include and select the Go button, the ticket gets updated with the
 content of the article and returns to the bulk update screen.
 
 This has 2 main downsides, we get no Results div which shows that the
 Message was logged, 

These missing messages are actually a bug whose fix was included in 3.8.7

 and we get a comment/correspondence for each article
 that is included. If we try to add articles 1, 2, and 3 to a ticket we
 get the following logged in the ticket and sent out via scrips:

This is most likely because you need to port the code from Update.html
which stops ticket update on certain conditions (like adding
attachments).  RTFM even has a callback for stopping creation in
Create.html

-kevin

  comment:
  article 1
  comment:
  article 2
  article 1
  comment:
  article 3
  article 2
  article 1
 
 The behavior I would expect is that of Ticket/Update.html where multiple
 articles could be included and the ticket is only updated when the
 Update Ticket button is used.
 
 Has anyone successfully set up RTFM for use with the bulk update
 screens?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Dallas
 
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Re: [rt-users] Is there an easy way to disable attach files?

2009-12-23 Thread Kevin Falcone
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:29:37AM +0100, Carlos Garcia Montoro wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm being responsible to deploy RT on our institution. My boss
 doesn't want to allow the upload of attached files to tickets, so
 I'm disabling it. I thought that it would be possible though
 etc/RT_SiteConfig.pm. I have set MaxAttachmentSize to 0, but even
 with a 0 value the system let me upload files which I can later
 retrieve (hence they are on the database).

What happens if you set this to 1 instead of 0 and also set
DropLongAttachments?

-kevin

 I now that I can copy every share/html file where there is an
 upload field to local/html and edit them to remove the code that
 shows this field, but that means at least editing 3 pages
 (Ticket/Create.html, Ticket/Update.html and Ticket/ModifyAll.html).
 Before I continue, I ask myself, and want to ask you, if there is an
 easier/better way to disable the upload of files.


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Re: [rt-users] Search Tickets for Non-Staff users

2009-12-23 Thread Jerrad Pierce
 Is it possible for Non-Staff Users to search Tickets with an interface 
 similar to the one available to Staff Users?
 (Simple Search / Tickets)

 I'd really like to have a Search Feature and I don't know how to.
Assuming they cannot access /Search/Simple.html already,
we don't use  SelfService, I'd start by copying
share/html/Search/Simple.html, and the necessary support files into
SelfService, adding/removing ACL checks and features as necessary.

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Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

2009-12-23 Thread Zach Boettner
Apache fails to start or restart unless I remove or comment the following
line: PerlRequire /usr/local/share/rt38/bin/webmux.pl

???


-Original Message-
From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:03 AM
To: Zach Boettner
Cc: RT Users
Subject: Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

Zach Boettner wrote:
 I meant to send this in my last email. What is wrong with the following? I
 am getting HTTP 403 error when trying to access
 http://servername/rt/index.html
 
 Alias /rt/ /usr/local/share/rt38/html
 Directory /usr/local/share/rt38/html
 Order allow,deny
 Allow from all
 /Directory
 
 PerlRequire /usr/local/share/rt38/bin/webmux.pl
 Location /rt/
 AddDefaultCharset UTF-8
 SetHandler perl-script
 PerlHandler RT::Mason
 /Location

Please keep the rt-users mailinglist in the loop rather than sending to me
directly.  

You want something like this for your Apache conf:

VirtualHost rt.example.org:80
ServerName rt.example.org
DocumentRoot /usr/local/share/rt38/html
AddDefaultCharset UTF-8

PassEnv PATH

## Uncomment the following, change port number to 443 above and obtain
key and
## cert if you want HTTPS:
#SSLEngine on
#SSLCipherSuite RSA:!EXP:!NULL:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:-LOW
#SSLCertificateFile
/usr/local/www/apache22/certs/rt.example.org-cert.pem
#SSLCertificateKeyFile
/usr/local/www/apache22/certs/rt.example.org-key.pem

Directory /usr/local/share/rt38/html
Options none
AllowOverride none

Order Deny,Allow
Allow from all
/Directory

PerlRequire /usr/local/bin/webmux.pl

Location /NoAuth/images
SetHandler default
/Location
Location /
   SetHandler perl-script
   PerlHandler RT::Mason
/Location
/VirtualHost

This assumes:

   * Apache 2.x
   * You have a separate rt.example.org hostname that is only used for RT
   * RT is based at the root of the site.

To make RT appear in a sub directory ... ie http://rt.example.org/rt/ you
need
to add an alias before the Location sections:

   Alias /rt/ /usr/local/share/rt38/html

and then add a leading /rt/ to the locations:

Location /rt/NoAuth/images
SetHandler default
/Location
Location /rt/
   SetHandler perl-script
   PerlHandler RT::Mason
/Location

However you arrange the site, you will have to make sure that
RT_SiteConfig.pm
conforms to the same layout.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

2009-12-23 Thread Matthew Seaman

Zach Boettner wrote:

Apache fails to start or restart unless I remove or comment the following
line: PerlRequire /usr/local/share/rt38/bin/webmux.pl

???



What happens if you try running webmux.pl manually?  Or try running

 perl -cw webmux.pl

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Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

2009-12-23 Thread Zach Boettner
freebsd8# perl -cw webmux.pl
Can't open perl script webmux.pl: No such file or directory

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:18 AM
To: Zach Boettner
Cc: rt-users@lists.bestpractical.com
Subject: Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

Zach Boettner wrote:
 Apache fails to start or restart unless I remove or comment the following
 line: PerlRequire /usr/local/share/rt38/bin/webmux.pl
 
 ???


What happens if you try running webmux.pl manually?  Or try running

  perl -cw webmux.pl

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Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

2009-12-23 Thread Kevin Falcone
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:32:34AM -0800, Zach Boettner wrote:
 freebsd8# perl -cw webmux.pl
 Can't open perl script webmux.pl: No such file or directory

You need to be in the same directory as webmux.pl to run it.
You pasted the full path earlier.

-kevin

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:18 AM
 To: Zach Boettner
 Cc: rt-users@lists.bestpractical.com
 Subject: Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1
 
 Zach Boettner wrote:
  Apache fails to start or restart unless I remove or comment the following
  line: PerlRequire /usr/local/share/rt38/bin/webmux.pl
  
  ???
 
 
 What happens if you try running webmux.pl manually?  Or try running
 
   perl -cw webmux.pl
 
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[rt-users] You're almost there! - But PerRequire Statement Kills Apache???

2009-12-23 Thread Zach Boettner
Ok, so, after pulling my hair out the last couple days I finally get a
webpage with the following:

 

Best Practical logo here

You're almost there!

You haven't yet configured your webserver to run RT. You appear to have
installed RT's web interface correctly, but haven't yet configured your web
server to run the RT server which powers the web interface. The next step
is to edit your webserver's configuration file to instruct it to use RT's
mod_perl, FastCGI or SpeedyCGI handler. If you need commercial support,
please contact us at sa...@bestpractical.com.

 

Following is what I have in my httpd.conf file. If I use a trailing / in the
Alias below I always get a HTTP 403 error. Remove that slash as shown below
and I get the Best Practical You're Almost there! Message shown above. Is
the following httpd.conf config acceptable, or does it really need to have
the trailing / and something else is causing the HTTP 403 error??

 

Alias /rt /usr/local/share/rt38/html

 

Directory /usr/local/share/rt38/html

Options Indexes FollowSymLinks

AllowOverride AuthConfig

Order deny,allow

Allow from all

/Directory

 

In any case, as the above message says, I need to configure my httpd.conf to
use RT's mod_perl. Now I do have the following in httpd.conf: LoadModule
perl_module libexec/apache22/mod_perl.so. However, when I putPerlRequire
/usr/local/bin/webmux.pl under my Directory definition (above) and then do a
apachectl restart / start apache seems to refuse to start. As soon as I
remove the PerlRequire statement apache will start just fine.

 

Does this indicate perl is not installed properly or at all? How can I fix
this??? 

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Re: [rt-users] You're almost there! - But PerRequire Statement Kills Apache???

2009-12-23 Thread Rob MacGregor
---SNIP---
 In any case, as the above message says, I need to configure my httpd.conf to
 use RT’s mod_perl. Now I do have the following in httpd.conf: LoadModule
 perl_module libexec/apache22/mod_perl.so. However, when I put    PerlRequire
 /usr/local/bin/webmux.pl under my Directory definition (above) and then do a
 apachectl restart / start apache seems to refuse to start. As soon as I
 remove the PerlRequire statement apache will start just fine.

What error is in Apache's log when you do that?

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Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

2009-12-23 Thread Zach Boettner
Ok, now the perl seems to run without error, and apache runs even with the
PerlRequire statement. I think I was trying PerlRequire
/usr/local/share/rt38/bin/webmux.pl when I should have been using
PerlRequire /usr/local/bin/webmux.pl. Or should the correct webmux.pl be
under some rt38 directory?? I ask because even though apache is running with
this PerlRequire /usr/local/bin/webmux.pl in the httpd.conf I still get the
same BestPractical... You're almost there... webpage when I go to
http://servername/rt/

What am I doing wrong? What log files should I look at or what special
config info must I add to my httpd.conf??

Thanks!
Zach


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[mailto:rt-users-boun...@lists.bestpractical.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Falcone
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:36 AM
To: rt-users@lists.bestpractical.com
Subject: Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:32:34AM -0800, Zach Boettner wrote:
 freebsd8# perl -cw webmux.pl
 Can't open perl script webmux.pl: No such file or directory

You need to be in the same directory as webmux.pl to run it.
You pasted the full path earlier.

-kevin

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:18 AM
 To: Zach Boettner
 Cc: rt-users@lists.bestpractical.com
 Subject: Re: [rt-users] rt-3.8.6 is already installed... Error code 1
 
 Zach Boettner wrote:
  Apache fails to start or restart unless I remove or comment the
following
  line: PerlRequire /usr/local/share/rt38/bin/webmux.pl
  
  ???
 
 
 What happens if you try running webmux.pl manually?  Or try running
 
   perl -cw webmux.pl
 
   Cheers,
 
   Matthew
 
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[rt-users] Missing time to display line

2009-12-23 Thread David Griffith

I'm not a fan of the footer taking up as much space as it does at the 
bottom of the screen.  One thing I do like it for is the time to display 
readout.  This part never seems to appear, but when I view the source, 
it's there.  Why can't I see it?

I'm using 3.8.7 and Firefox 3.5.6 (Ubuntu 9.10)

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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
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Re: [rt-users] Missing time to display line

2009-12-23 Thread Brian D
The style sheet has that set to display:none.

We made local copy of the style sheet and made that time to display appear
when you hover over it.

-Brian

On Dec 23, 2009 3:10 PM, David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu wrote:


I'm not a fan of the footer taking up as much space as it does at the
bottom of the screen.  One thing I do like it for is the time to display
readout.  This part never seems to appear, but when I view the source,
it's there.  Why can't I see it?

I'm using 3.8.7 and Firefox 3.5.6 (Ubuntu 9.10)

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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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Re: [rt-users] You're almost there! - But PerRequire StatementKills Apache???

2009-12-23 Thread Zach Boettner
Now I'm getting this in my Apache log (/var/log/httpd-error.log). Any ideas
why???...

[Wed Dec 23 13:34:30 2009] [error] Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY
reference at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_
[Wed Dec 23 13:34:30 2009] [error] Can't load Perl file:
/usr/local/bin/webmux.pl for server 192.168.110.76:0, exit


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[mailto:rt-users-boun...@lists.bestpractical.com] On Behalf Of Rob MacGregor
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:44 AM
To: rt-users@lists.bestpractical.com
Subject: Re: [rt-users] You're almost there! - But PerRequire StatementKills
Apache???

---SNIP---
 In any case, as the above message says, I need to configure my httpd.conf
to
 use RT’s mod_perl. Now I do have the following in httpd.conf: LoadModule
 perl_module libexec/apache22/mod_perl.so. However, when I put   
PerlRequire
 /usr/local/bin/webmux.pl under my Directory definition (above) and then do
a
 apachectl restart / start apache seems to refuse to start. As soon as I
 remove the PerlRequire statement apache will start just fine.

What error is in Apache's log when you do that?

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[rt-users] Top bar in the Web2 theme....

2009-12-23 Thread Gary Greene
Which template/css/js file is the grey top bar in?

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Re: [rt-users] Top bar in the Web2 theme....

2009-12-23 Thread David Griffith
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, Gary Greene wrote:

 Which template/css/js file is the grey top bar in?

You mean layout.css?  Try looking at div#quickbar.

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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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