[RollTideFan] Scouting is looking pretty risky
Slef, has yore trooper made it back home? No Sign of Missing Scout at Yellowstone Monday, June 27, 2005 YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. - Two white tennis shoe believed to belong to a 13-year-old Boy Scout were found in the fast-moving Yellowstone River, but Luke Sanburg is still missing and feared drowned. National Park Service officials said a search would continue for a third day Monday. On Sunday, when the second tennis shoe was found, about 250 park personnel, family and church members and other volunteers were searching along the river's rugged banks for any sign of the missing teen. The second tennis shoe was found in the same general area where its mate was found a day earlier but no other clothing was spotted, said Cheryl Matthews, Yellowstone National Park spokeswoman. The missing teen, Luke Sanburg, of Helena, Mont., was pushing logs into the river with other Scouts on Friday when a log clipped his legs and knocked him into the river. He was last seen floating downstream with his head above water, floating toward a stretch of rapids, park officials said. The tennis shoes, fitting the description of those worn by Luke, were found about five miles downstream from where he entered the river. Sunday's search expanded north into Montana from a 14-mile section of the river between Knowles Falls and a bridge at Corwin Springs, Mont. A team of kayakers combed the river while park officials and volunteers focused on the banks, said Matthews. A helicopter also was used. Luke and six members of his troop were camping in the northern part of the park, about six miles from Gardiner, Mont., a park gateway. Three adults were with the boys. The Yellowstone incident came just days after 11-year-old Scout Brennan Hawkins was found in good condition after spending four days wandering the Utah wilderness. service_ap_36.gif Description: GIF image ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Scouting is looking pretty risky
Si, Senora! Slef E. - Original Message - From: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] Scouting is looking pretty risky Slef, has yore trooper made it back home? ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Short story... (non)
We were sitting in a fine restaurant when my wife looks over at a nearby table and sees a man in a drunken stupor. I said, I notice you've been watching that man for some time now. Do you know him? Yes, she replies, he's my ex-husband, and he has been drinking like that since I left him seven years ago. I said, That's remarkable. I wouldn't think anybody could celebrate that long. She hasn't spoken to me since ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ...
It's not going just yetbeen so busy and with two teenyboppers home for the summer it's hard to find time on the puterI still hope to have it going by kickoffThanks for your concernJamie Mike Laborde wrote: Some like 'em. BTW, I wonder how the RTF board is cumming. Howzit going, Jamie? --- Original Message --- On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:28:00 -0400, Charles wrote: I hate message boards. I like everything to come email. I can process emails much faster than anything web based. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ...
Are the teenyboppers cute? Send pics. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JVWatts Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:53 AM To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ... It's not going just yetbeen so busy and with two teenyboppers home for the summer it's hard to find time on the puterI still hope to have it going by kickoffThanks for your concernJamie Mike Laborde wrote: Some like 'em. BTW, I wonder how the RTF board is cumming. Howzit going, Jamie? --- Original Message --- On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:28:00 -0400, Charles wrote: I hate message boards. I like everything to come email. I can process emails much faster than anything web based. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Yet another attack.
PENSACOLA, Fla. - A teenage boy was critically injured Monday in the second shark attack in three days along the Florida Panhandle. The boy, whose age and name were not released, was taken to Bay Medical Center in Panama City. The nature of his injuries was not immediately released. He was attacked off Cape San Blas, a popular vacation destination about 80 miles southeast of the Destin area where 14-year-old Jamie Marie Daigle of Gonzales, La., was killed by a shark on Saturday. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ...
Lowered! What a lame-ass excuse! You make it sound like you're still bottle feeding and changing diapers 24/7. Slef E. - Original Message - From: JVWatts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ... It's not going just yetbeen so busy and with two teenyboppers home for the summer it's hard to find time on the puterI still hope to have it going by kickoffThanks for your concernJamie Mike Laborde wrote: Some like 'em. BTW, I wonder how the RTF board is cumming. Howzit going, Jamie? --- Original Message --- On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:28:00 -0400, Charles wrote: I hate message boards. I like everything to come email. I can process emails much faster than anything web based. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama]
Why you hate America? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Laborde Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:31 PM To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:[RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama] Awesome article! http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18572 What I Saw at Gitmo By Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu FrontPageMagazine.com | June 27, 2005 Last week, I was privileged to be part of a Department of Defense trip to the Joint Task Force - Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I got to see the operations of this controversial facility up-close - something particularly important after Sen. Richard Durbin's comparison of its guard to Nazi stormtroopers and calls of leftists to shut the center down. Our group went to GITMO to check out tales that the military was being too tough on these terrorist detainees. We left convinced that America is being extraordinarily lenient - far too lenient. After speaking with soldiers, sailors, and civilians who collectively staff Gitmo, I left convinced that abuse definitely exists at the detention facilities, and it typically fails to receive the press attention it deserves: it's the relentless, merciless attacks on American servicemen and women by these terrorist thugs. Many of the orange jumpsuit-clad detainees fight their captors at every opportunity, openly bragging of their desire to kill Americans. One has promised that, if released, he would find MPs in their homes through the internet, break into their houses at night, and cut the throats of them and their families like sheep. Others claim authority and vindication to kill women, children, and other innocents who oppose their jihadist mission authorized by the Koran (the same one that hangs in every cell from a specially-designed holder intended to protect it from a touching the cell floor - all provided at U.S. taxpayer expense). One detainee was heard to tell another: One day I will enjoy sucking American blood, although their blood is bitter, undrinkable These recalcitrant detainees are known euphemistically as being non-compliant. They attack guards whenever the soldiers enter their cells, trying to reach up under protective facemasks to gouge eyes and tear mouths. They make weapons and try to stab the guards or grab and break limbs as the guards pass them food. We dined with the soldiers, toured several of the individual holding camps, observed interrogations, and inspected cells. We were impressed by the universally high quality of the cadre and the facilities. While it may not be exactly Club GITMO, as Rush Limbaugh uses to tweak the hard-Left critics who haven't a clue about reality here, GITMO is a far cry from the harshness experienced even by maximum security prisoners in the U.S. Meals for detainees are ample: we lunched on what several thought was an accumulated single day's ration for detainees. No, the contract food service manager said with a laugh, what you're looking at there is today's lunch. A single meal. They get three a day like that. The vegetables, pita bread, and other well- prepared food filled two of the large Styrofoam take-home containers we see in restaurants. Several prisoners have special meal orders like no tomatoes or no peanut products depending on taste or allergies. One prisoner, General Hood said, throws back his food tray if it contains things he has specifically said he doesn't want. How is he punished for this outrageous behavior? His tray is numbered, the food he requested is put on it, and the corrected order is delivered to his cell. The detainees are similarly catered to medically. Almost every one arrived at GITMO with some sort of battlefield trauma. After all, the majority were captured in combat. Today they are healthy, immunized, and well cared for. At a visit to the modern hospital facility - dedicated solely to the detainees and comparable to a well-equipped and staffed small-town hospital with operating, dental, routine facilities - the doctor in charge confirmed that the caloric count for the detainees was so high that while most detainees arrived undernourished, medics now watch for issues stemming from high cholesterol and being overweight. Each of approximately 520 terrorists currently held in confinement averages about four medical visits monthly, something one would expect from only a dedicated American hypochondriac. Welcome to the rigors of detention under American supervision. Of the estimated 70,000 battlefield captures that were made in Afghanistan, only a tiny percentage, something on the order of 800-plus, were eventually evacuated to GITMO. These were the worst of the worst. More than 200 have been released back to their home country - if the U.S. is assured that the detainees would not be tortured by local authorities upon return. These men
Re: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama]
WhatYou read this propaganda...on the website of this turncoat heretic?Shame shame shame! ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ...
Mebbe he means that the teenyboppers are hoggin' the puter. Lookin' up Justun Limberfakes website 'n all. --- Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowered! What a lame-ass excuse! You make it sound like you're still bottle feeding and changing diapers 24/7. Slef E. - Original Message - From: JVWatts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ... It's not going just yetbeen so busy and with two teenyboppers home for the summer it's hard to find time on the puterI still hope to have it going by kickoffThanks for your concernJamie Mike Laborde wrote: Some like 'em. BTW, I wonder how the RTF board is cumming. Howzit going, Jamie? --- Original Message --- On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:28:00 -0400, Charles wrote: I hate message boards. I like everything to come email. I can process emails much faster than anything web based. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ...
You telling me an ex-wrassler can't control his kids? Slef E. - Original Message - From: Bryan Benefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ... Mebbe he means that the teenyboppers are hoggin' the puter. Lookin' up Justun Limberfakes website 'n all. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama]
Just guessing, but probably because of freaks like you. - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama] Why you hate America? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Laborde Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:31 PM To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama] Awesome article! http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18572 What I Saw at Gitmo By Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu FrontPageMagazine.com | June 27, 2005 Last week, I was privileged to be part of a Department of Defense trip to the Joint Task Force - Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I got to see the operations of this controversial facility up-close - something particularly important after Sen. Richard Durbin's comparison of its guard to Nazi stormtroopers and calls of leftists to shut the center down. Our group went to GITMO to check out tales that the military was being too tough on these terrorist detainees. We left convinced that America is being extraordinarily lenient - far too lenient. After speaking with soldiers, sailors, and civilians who collectively staff Gitmo, I left convinced that abuse definitely exists at the detention facilities, and it typically fails to receive the press attention it deserves: it's the relentless, merciless attacks on American servicemen and women by these terrorist thugs. Many of the orange jumpsuit-clad detainees fight their captors at every opportunity, openly bragging of their desire to kill Americans. One has promised that, if released, he would find MPs in their homes through the internet, break into their houses at night, and cut the throats of them and their families like sheep. Others claim authority and vindication to kill women, children, and other innocents who oppose their jihadist mission authorized by the Koran (the same one that hangs in every cell from a specially-designed holder intended to protect it from a touching the cell floor - all provided at U.S. taxpayer expense). One detainee was heard to tell another: One day I will enjoy sucking American blood, although their blood is bitter, undrinkable These recalcitrant detainees are known euphemistically as being non-compliant. They attack guards whenever the soldiers enter their cells, trying to reach up under protective facemasks to gouge eyes and tear mouths. They make weapons and try to stab the guards or grab and break limbs as the guards pass them food. We dined with the soldiers, toured several of the individual holding camps, observed interrogations, and inspected cells. We were impressed by the universally high quality of the cadre and the facilities. While it may not be exactly Club GITMO, as Rush Limbaugh uses to tweak the hard-Left critics who haven't a clue about reality here, GITMO is a far cry from the harshness experienced even by maximum security prisoners in the U.S. Meals for detainees are ample: we lunched on what several thought was an accumulated single day's ration for detainees. No, the contract food service manager said with a laugh, what you're looking at there is today's lunch. A single meal. They get three a day like that. The vegetables, pita bread, and other well- prepared food filled two of the large Styrofoam take-home containers we see in restaurants. Several prisoners have special meal orders like no tomatoes or no peanut products depending on taste or allergies. One prisoner, General Hood said, throws back his food tray if it contains things he has specifically said he doesn't want. How is he punished for this outrageous behavior? His tray is numbered, the food he requested is put on it, and the corrected order is delivered to his cell. The detainees are similarly catered to medically. Almost every one arrived at GITMO with some sort of battlefield trauma. After all, the majority were captured in combat. Today they are healthy, immunized, and well cared for. At a visit to the modern hospital facility - dedicated solely to the detainees and comparable to a well-equipped and staffed small-town hospital with operating, dental, routine facilities - the doctor in charge confirmed that the caloric count for the detainees was so high that while most detainees arrived undernourished, medics now watch for issues stemming from high cholesterol and being overweight. Each of approximately 520 terrorists currently held in confinement averages about four medical visits monthly, something one would expect from only a dedicated American hypochondriac. Welcome to the rigors of detention under American supervision. Of the estimated 70,000 battlefield captures that were made in Afghanistan, only a tiny percentage, something on the order of 800-plus, were eventually
Re: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama]
well actually Horowitz is one of my favoritesthey cant refute...cause he was there at the beginning...so they just ignore him ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Short story... (non)
PERFECT, VO, thank you! :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were sitting in a fine restaurant when my wife looks over at a nearby table and sees a man in a drunken stupor. I said, I notice you've been watching that man for some time now. Do you know him? Yes, she replies, he's my ex-husband, and he has been drinking like that since I left him seven years ago. I said, That's remarkable. I wouldn't think anybody could celebrate that long. She hasn't spoken to me since ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net -- You wouldn't have won if we'd beaten you. Yogi Berra ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ...
I would not wipe my ass with that list. Joe You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man's actions are, such must be his spirit. Demosthenes (384 BC - 322 BC), Third Olynthiac - Original Message - From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ... Message boreds are for loosers (sic). I mean, who in their right fuckin mind would set up an emule list _AND_ a fuckin message BORED? Then, of course there's Barney Harbison's list that some folks just feel they can't live without. Slef E. - Original Message - From: Rick McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ... Cool, well at least the list is still operational. This used to be a pretty active list. What happened along the way? Does everyone go to the message boards for their information and dialog with other fans? I visit BamaMag a couple times a day and post on occasion. The season will be here before we know it. Can't wait! Looking for the TIDE TO ROLL this year! Brodie gonna light it up and THE TIDE D is gonna shut them down ROLL TIDE ROLL!!! Rick Jeff Todd wrote: No different in-season. Slef E. - Original Message - From: Lizard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ... Still working, just awful quiet in the off-season. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama]
Hmmm, then you must REALLY hate Rowanda. Joe You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man's actions are, such must be his spirit. Demosthenes (384 BC - 322 BC), Third Olynthiac - Original Message - From: Bryan Benefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama] Fo what it done to mah peepul... --- Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why you hate America? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Laborde Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:31 PM To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama] Awesome article! http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18572 What I Saw at Gitmo By Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu FrontPageMagazine.com | June 27, 2005 Last week, I was privileged to be part of a Department of Defense trip to the Joint Task Force - Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I got to see the operations of this controversial facility up-close - something particularly important after Sen. Richard Durbin's comparison of its guard to Nazi stormtroopers and calls of leftists to shut the center down. Our group went to GITMO to check out tales that the military was being too tough on these terrorist detainees. We left convinced that America is being extraordinarily lenient - far too lenient. After speaking with soldiers, sailors, and civilians who collectively staff Gitmo, I left convinced that abuse definitely exists at the detention facilities, and it typically fails to receive the press attention it deserves: it's the relentless, merciless attacks on American servicemen and women by these terrorist thugs. Many of the orange jumpsuit-clad detainees fight their captors at every opportunity, openly bragging of their desire to kill Americans. One has promised that, if released, he would find MPs in their homes through the internet, break into their houses at night, and cut the throats of them and their families like sheep. Others claim authority and vindication to kill women, children, and other innocents who oppose their jihadist mission authorized by the Koran (the same one that hangs in every cell from a specially-designed holder intended to protect it from a touching the cell floor - all provided at U.S. taxpayer expense). One detainee was heard to tell another: One day I will enjoy sucking American blood, although their blood is bitter, undrinkable These recalcitrant detainees are known euphemistically as being non-compliant. They attack guards whenever the soldiers enter their cells, trying to reach up under protective facemasks to gouge eyes and tear mouths. They make weapons and try to stab the guards or grab and break limbs as the guards pass them food. We dined with the soldiers, toured several of the individual holding camps, observed interrogations, and inspected cells. We were impressed by the universally high quality of the cadre and the facilities. While it may not be exactly Club GITMO, as Rush Limbaugh uses to tweak the hard-Left critics who haven't a clue about reality here, GITMO is a far cry from the harshness experienced even by maximum security prisoners in the U.S. Meals for detainees are ample: we lunched on what several thought was an accumulated single day's ration for detainees. No, the contract food service manager said with a laugh, what you're looking at there is today's lunch. A single meal. They get three a day like that. The vegetables, pita bread, and other well- prepared food filled two of the large Styrofoam take-home containers we see in restaurants. Several prisoners have special meal orders like no tomatoes or no peanut products depending on taste or allergies. One prisoner, General Hood said, throws back his food tray if it contains things he has specifically said he doesn't want. How is he punished for this outrageous behavior? His tray is numbered, the food he requested is put on it, and the corrected order is delivered to his cell. The detainees are similarly catered to medically. Almost every one arrived at GITMO with some sort of battlefield trauma. After all, the majority were captured in combat. Today they are healthy, immunized, and well cared for. At a visit to the modern hospital facility - dedicated solely to the detainees and comparable to a well-equipped and staffed small-town hospital with operating, dental, routine facilities - the doctor in charge confirmed that the caloric count for the detainees was so high that while most detainees arrived undernourished, medics now watch for issues stemming from high cholesterol and being overweight. Each of approximately 520 terrorists currently held in confinement averages
[RollTideFan] BSC Article
(Only a playoff will solve this problem. If not a playoff then they should revert back to the way things were before Roid Kramer came up with this lame-brain BCS idea. Rick) BCS officials like direction Harris Interactive's poll would fill void in 'human' element By B.G. Brooks, Rocky Mountain News ENGLEWOOD - Unless the pool of prospective new voters unexpectedly runs dry, the Bowl Championship Series has settled on the alternative poll it will use to help crown college football's 2005 national champ. BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg said Tuesday the Collegiate Commissioners Association generally is comfortable with what is being done by Harris Interactive - the polling organization commissioned last month to study the feasibility of creating a new Top 25 to replace The Associated Press poll in the contentious BCS formula. The 11-member CCA, plus Notre Dame, is conducting its summer meetings here this week. Weiberg said The Harris BCS Poll - not yet the official name - likely will include just over 100 voters selected from among former college players, coaches, administrators and members of the media. Harris sent out letters last week to prospective voters to gauge their interest in participating, and once that recruitment process is complete Weiberg said the BCS would officially announce the latest tweak to a system that has drawn fire almost since its inception. We just need a little more time to let Harris do its work, said Weiberg, commissioner of the Big 12 Conference. Right now we are on a course to go forward; there's enough of a consensus among our group. . . . This is the path we're on. In a release last week, the BCS said an announcement could be made in mid-July. Weiberg said Tuesday it could be finalized soon, but added, I'm not going to stand here today and say we're going to eliminate all the controversy going forward. In December, AP announced it was withdrawing its poll from the BCS process. The reason: Many AP voters expressed discomfort at being news makers in what almost annually has evolved into a controversial process. AP's exit left the BCS ranking system with the USA Today/ESPN coaches' poll as the only human element used in the process that determines which two teams compete for the BCS national championship. Earlier this month, ESPN backed out of the coaches' poll, which also has come under criticism because of the participants' decision to reveal their votes. However, some of that criticism was alleviated last month with the American Football Coaches Association's announcement that coaches would reveal their voting for the critical final BCS tabulation. Likewise, Weiberg said only the final Harris poll would be revealed, adding that voters could make their weekly voting public if desired. Also, there could be poll taken following the BCS championship game, as the AP does now. Weiberg and two fellow conference commissioners - the Mountain West's Craig Thompson and Karl Benson of the Western Athletic Conference - cited the Harris organization's longstanding polling credibility as positives in the altered BCS formula. I like the objectivity involved. . . . For the most part, you're talking about people who don't have a horse in the race, said Thompson, noting that Harris has a stand-alone reputation in the polling business. With the change, There might be reason to be a little apprehensive (but) Harris has credibility, added Benson, who claimed he never doubted the fairness of past BCS systems. With the alternative poll, the BCS selection process will retain its two human elements and six computers. Each human poll accounted for one-third of a team's BCS ranking, with the machines offering the final third. Weiberg expects a similar weight once the Harris poll is part of the formula. Before last season, the BCS announced that the AP and USA Today/ESPN polls would be given more weight than in seasons past, an alteration that amplified the significance of AP's eventual withdrawal from the process. The AP Top 25 included 65 media voters, while 63 coaches voted in the USA Today/ESPN poll. Harris Interactive, which is based in Rochester, N.Y., and conducts The Harris Poll, reportedly issued 111 inquiries to former players, coaches, administrators and media to explore interest in the latest BCS endeavor. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 303-892-5466 ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article
a play off with the top ten teamsthe first two get byes the first round...four big bowls...the highest bidders...the rest who caresthats the way to goNo need for 16 teams...hell...no flukes in the NC game!!! ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama]
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Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article
Sounds very good to me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a play off with the top ten teamsthe first two get byes the first round...four big bowls...the highest bidders...the rest who caresthats the way to goNo need for 16 teams...hell...no flukes in the NC game!!! ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a play off with the top ten teamsthe first two get byes the first round...four big bowls...the highest bidders...the rest who caresthats the way to goNo need for 16 teams...hell...no flukes in the NC game!!! What determines the first two? kurt OBTW, if you highlight the text yer replying to it would help. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama]
BWHAHAA! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama] Rwanda and Burundi are French and Belgian gifts to the world ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article
Then what would we make fun of? Slef E. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article OBTW, if you highlight the text yer replying to it would help. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article
Joe wiping his ass with an email list? Ruck Jeff Todd wrote: Then what would we make fun of? Slef E. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article OBTW, if you highlight the text yer replying to it would help. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net -- You wouldn't have won if we'd beaten you. Yogi Berra ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article
Now there's a thought! Slef E. - Original Message - From: Rick McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article Joe wiping his ass with an email list? Ruck Jeff Todd wrote: Then what would we make fun of? Slef E. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article OBTW, if you highlight the text yer replying to it would help. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net -- You wouldn't have won if we'd beaten you. Yogi Berra ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama]
Sorry, last message weren't mine. Al Sharpton hijacked my account. --- Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, then you must REALLY hate Rowanda. Joe You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man's actions are, such must be his spirit. Demosthenes (384 BC - 322 BC), Third Olynthiac - Original Message - From: Bryan Benefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama] Fo what it done to mah peepul... --- Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why you hate America? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Laborde Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:31 PM To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: [RollTideFan] FPM: What I saw at Gitmo [non-Bama] Awesome article! http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18572 What I Saw at Gitmo By Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu FrontPageMagazine.com | June 27, 2005 Last week, I was privileged to be part of a Department of Defense trip to the Joint Task Force - Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I got to see the operations of this controversial facility up-close - something particularly important after Sen. Richard Durbin's comparison of its guard to Nazi stormtroopers and calls of leftists to shut the center down. Our group went to GITMO to check out tales that the military was being too tough on these terrorist detainees. We left convinced that America is being extraordinarily lenient - far too lenient. After speaking with soldiers, sailors, and civilians who collectively staff Gitmo, I left convinced that abuse definitely exists at the detention facilities, and it typically fails to receive the press attention it deserves: it's the relentless, merciless attacks on American servicemen and women by these terrorist thugs. Many of the orange jumpsuit-clad detainees fight their captors at every opportunity, openly bragging of their desire to kill Americans. One has promised that, if released, he would find MPs in their homes through the internet, break into their houses at night, and cut the throats of them and their families like sheep. Others claim authority and vindication to kill women, children, and other innocents who oppose their jihadist mission authorized by the Koran (the same one that hangs in every cell from a specially-designed holder intended to protect it from a touching the cell floor - all provided at U.S. taxpayer expense). One detainee was heard to tell another: One day I will enjoy sucking American blood, although their blood is bitter, undrinkable These recalcitrant detainees are known euphemistically as being non-compliant. They attack guards whenever the soldiers enter their cells, trying to reach up under protective facemasks to gouge eyes and tear mouths. They make weapons and try to stab the guards or grab and break limbs as the guards pass them food. We dined with the soldiers, toured several of the individual holding camps, observed interrogations, and inspected cells. We were impressed by the universally high quality of the cadre and the facilities. While it may not be exactly Club GITMO, as Rush Limbaugh uses to tweak the hard-Left critics who haven't a clue about reality here, GITMO is a far cry from the harshness experienced even by maximum security prisoners in the U.S. Meals for detainees are ample: we lunched on what several thought was an accumulated single day's ration for detainees. No, the contract food service manager said with a laugh, what you're looking at there is today's lunch. A single meal. They get three a day like that. The vegetables, pita bread, and other well- prepared food filled two of the large Styrofoam take-home containers we see in restaurants. Several prisoners have special meal orders like no tomatoes or no peanut products depending on taste or allergies. One prisoner, General Hood said, throws back his food tray if it contains things he has specifically said he doesn't want. How is he punished for this outrageous behavior? His tray is numbered, the food he requested is put on it, and the corrected order is delivered to his cell. The detainees are similarly catered to medically. Almost every one arrived at GITMO with some sort of battlefield trauma. After all, the majority were captured in combat. Today they are healthy, immunized, and well cared for. At a visit to the modern hospital facility -
Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article
Did anything roid krammer touch not turn to shit? --- Rick McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Only a playoff will solve this problem. If not a playoff then they should revert back to the way things were before Roid Kramer came up with this lame-brain BCS idea. Rick) BCS officials like direction Harris Interactive's poll would fill void in 'human' element By B.G. Brooks, Rocky Mountain News ENGLEWOOD - Unless the pool of prospective new voters unexpectedly runs dry, the Bowl Championship Series has settled on the alternative poll it will use to help crown college football's 2005 national champ. BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg said Tuesday the Collegiate Commissioners Association generally is comfortable with what is being done by Harris Interactive - the polling organization commissioned last month to study the feasibility of creating a new Top 25 to replace The Associated Press poll in the contentious BCS formula. The 11-member CCA, plus Notre Dame, is conducting its summer meetings here this week. Weiberg said The Harris BCS Poll - not yet the official name - likely will include just over 100 voters selected from among former college players, coaches, administrators and members of the media. Harris sent out letters last week to prospective voters to gauge their interest in participating, and once that recruitment process is complete Weiberg said the BCS would officially announce the latest tweak to a system that has drawn fire almost since its inception. We just need a little more time to let Harris do its work, said Weiberg, commissioner of the Big 12 Conference. Right now we are on a course to go forward; there's enough of a consensus among our group. . . . This is the path we're on. In a release last week, the BCS said an announcement could be made in mid-July. Weiberg said Tuesday it could be finalized soon, but added, I'm not going to stand here today and say we're going to eliminate all the controversy going forward. In December, AP announced it was withdrawing its poll from the BCS process. The reason: Many AP voters expressed discomfort at being news makers in what almost annually has evolved into a controversial process. AP's exit left the BCS ranking system with the USA Today/ESPN coaches' poll as the only human element used in the process that determines which two teams compete for the BCS national championship. Earlier this month, ESPN backed out of the coaches' poll, which also has come under criticism because of the participants' decision to reveal their votes. However, some of that criticism was alleviated last month with the American Football Coaches Association's announcement that coaches would reveal their voting for the critical final BCS tabulation. Likewise, Weiberg said only the final Harris poll would be revealed, adding that voters could make their weekly voting public if desired. Also, there could be poll taken following the BCS championship game, as the AP does now. Weiberg and two fellow conference commissioners - the Mountain West's Craig Thompson and Karl Benson of the Western Athletic Conference - cited the Harris organization's longstanding polling credibility as positives in the altered BCS formula. I like the objectivity involved. . . . For the most part, you're talking about people who don't have a horse in the race, said Thompson, noting that Harris has a stand-alone reputation in the polling business. With the change, There might be reason to be a little apprehensive (but) Harris has credibility, added Benson, who claimed he never doubted the fairness of past BCS systems. With the alternative poll, the BCS selection process will retain its two human elements and six computers. Each human poll accounted for one-third of a team's BCS ranking, with the machines offering the final third. Weiberg expects a similar weight once the Harris poll is part of the formula. Before last season, the BCS announced that the AP and USA Today/ESPN polls would be given more weight than in seasons past, an alteration that amplified the significance of AP's eventual withdrawal from the process. The AP Top 25 included 65 media voters, while 63 coaches voted in the USA Today/ESPN poll. Harris Interactive, which is based in Rochester, N.Y., and conducts The Harris Poll, reportedly issued 111 inquiries to former players, coaches, administrators and media to explore interest in the latest BCS endeavor. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 303-892-5466 ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ...
sounds like he jus' a big ol' softy. --- Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You telling me an ex-wrassler can't control his kids? Slef E. - Original Message - From: Bryan Benefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Is this thang ... Mebbe he means that the teenyboppers are hoggin' the puter. Lookin' up Justun Limberfakes website 'n all. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article
I bet he cleans his own damn screen... --- Rick McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe wiping his ass with an email list? Ruck Jeff Todd wrote: Then what would we make fun of? Slef E. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: [RollTideFan] BSC Article OBTW, if you highlight the text yer replying to it would help. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net -- You wouldn't have won if we'd beaten you. Yogi Berra ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
