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The boys went to register for skrewell in lovely downtown Greentown, IN. yesterday afternoon. Wearing Bama football jerseys as is the norm. They walk into the counselors' office and low and behold the guy has a huge framed and matted picture of Coach Bryant hanging on the wall. Woof. Gawds I love Bama football! kurt Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Wrong fight?
My Note: I dont agree with this editorial, not even a small bit. But it is interesting reading. Wrong fight Our position: In trying to protect its fighting Indian mascot, FSU is off base. Posted August 9, 2005 E-mail this article Printer friendly version Most e-mailed articles Florida State University is fighting the wrong fight in trying to keep its Seminole mascot that many American Indians find offensive. Ideally, the institution and its fans will recognize that before embarking on an expensive and embarrassing court battle. FSU's fans consider Chief Osceola leading the Seminoles onto the football field and sticking a flaming spear into the turf a treasured tradition. But American Indians have complained for years about the stereotypes portrayed at FSU and on other college campuses. Dozens of schools have listened to the concerns and changed their mascots out of respect to those who complained, while FSU and 17 other schools have not. The NCAA Executive Committee last week responded by banning schools that display hostile or abusive mascots from playing in championship tournaments, affecting all sports but football. FSU President T.K. Wetherell not surprisingly took issue with this, arguing that the Seminoles mascot is a tribute to the fighting spirit of the Florida Seminole. But Mr. Wetherell can't escape the fact that, intended or not, the images of Osceola in war paint and thousands of fans doing the Seminole Chop portray American Indians as savages. In his anger, Mr. Wetherell vowed to sue the NCAA. That would be a mistake, sending the message that FSU is willing to fight to the end for the right to offend people. It is a stand no respected institution of higher learning should take. An even bigger mistake would be to portray such a lawsuit as a battle against political correctness. The step taken by the NCAA is not an attempt to kowtow to interest groups. This is a recognition by the organization that these images -- historically accurate or not -- offend many of those whose cultures are being portrayed. Presumably Mr. Wetherell would not support calling FSU's teams the Pickaninnies and starting each game with students in blackface tap-dancing out to the 50-yard-line for a spirited rendition of Camp Town Races. Times change. Just as black men resent being called boy and adult women wince at being referred to as girls, American Indians object to terms like the Braves, Savages and Redmen. Why? Because demeaning terms justify and encourage subtle discrimination against individuals in the group. It perpetuates prejudice and keeps people in those groups on society's lower rung. FSU's defense that the Seminole Tribe of Florida has voted to endorse the use of the symbols by FSU really serves only to bolster the NCAA's argument. The leaders of the larger Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma -- where the United States relocated Seminoles they could find after fighting three wars -- cheered the NCAA decision. That only shows that FSU and others can't pick which Seminoles they want to listen to. FSU should listen to the concerns of American Indians and remove the offensive images. http://www.the-sandbox.org Judge not the horse by his saddle. - Chinese Proverb ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Wrong fight?
Charles, Where is this from? Rusty P.S. - You might be interested in http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/12333609.htm which brings up the case I mentioned early in this dicussion - the Fighting Irish. And don't even get me started on the Wake Forest Demon Deacons... From: Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/09 Tue PM 03:49:51 EDT To: 'RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' RTF@rolltidefan.net Subject: [RollTideFan] Wrong fight? ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Wrong fight?
it has nothing to do...with being offensive...its just a straight out power struggle. The tail trying to wag the dogUnder paid, under age editorial writers dont impress me. Basically, I could care less if FSU changes their mascot or not...but I want it to be their choice. Oh...were the Ole Miss Rebels on the list...?If it is...it is the only one in the SEC..however...to be fair...the Commodores...hey...its gotta change...the stories I could tellThe fact is he bought the failed university of nashville...put in some money (stolen money) and named it for himself...but...let the old dead fart be honored!!Same thang about Osceola and his murderous band...Do it like the Mississippi flag...have an election! ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Wrong fight?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. - You might be interested in http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/12333609.htm which brings up the case I mentioned early in this dicussion - the Fighting Irish. [...] I donut rightly recall if I set this to RTF. I think I did, but just in case.. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-050806downey,1,3448367.column?coll=cs-college-utility Mike Downey No blarney: Leprechaun must go August 7, 2005 I want that leprechaun put to sleep. Do you hear me, NCAA? I don't want to see that darn leprechaun at Notre Dame's games anymore. No more of that goofy green suit. No more of that hokey hat. Most of all, no more of that offensive, insensitive, insulting, dehumanizing dance. As a proud Irish-American, I demand that you make the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame get rid of that stupefying, stereotypical mascot of theirs. And that little jig of his. And I mean pronto, if you'll excuse my use of Indian lingo. Ladies and gentlemen of the NCAA, I implore you. Do that thing you do. Do what you did Friday, when your executive committee announced that it no longer would tolerate any hostile and abusive racial/ethnic/national origin mascots, nicknames or imagery. A leprechaun is all that. He is mischievous by nature. He is up to no good. He clearly is abusive. Have you ever seen him treat Notre Dame's enemies with any kindness? And what of that big, crooked stick in his hand? He doesn't carry that cudgel because he is lame. It isn't a cane. A leprechaun doesn't limp. Look at that little fool do his dance. He moves fine. No, a shillelagh looks like a weapon to me. You wouldn't let a Seminole or an Illini walk around a football stadium with a bow and arrow, would you? I can guess what you are thinking. You're thinking an Irish-American is not an oppressed minority. Or hasn't been one. Well, you couldn't be more wrong. Irish immigrants were given a very bad time in America when they first came here. They were treated as suspicious foreigners. Their ancestry and accents were mocked. They were maligned as Micks and stigmatized as brawling drunks. Therefore, I would like you righteous brothers and sisters at the NCAA to put an end to the degradation of this Fighting Irish slur once and for all. A lot of us don't fight. I don't fight. Well, I did toss a guy out of a bar in Greece last summer, but he was drunker than I was. The NCAA has made a good start. The actions it took Friday gave notice to the Bradley Braves and Central Michigan Chippewas and Utah Utes that they had better take all of their Native American garb, arrowheads, weapons and war paint and dump the whole pile into a Dumpster. If these people want to host a postseason competition ever again, they will have to abide by the NCAA's rules and lose the Indian theme. You, noble warlords of the NCAA, are taking no prisoners. University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux? What do you care if there are Sioux who don't care? So what if there are remaining members of the Sioux tribe who are honored by this legacy? Your edict has come down. You have spoken. The next time North Dakota plays for a national championship, its mascot had better be Buffalo Bill. OK, so a lot of us happen to believe that tribal names are not unto themselves offensive. Illini, Seminole, Chippewa, Choctaw these don't seem so bad to us. They have history and dignity. We have entire states named for Indian tribes, for heaven's sake. What do you think the word Illinois is, anyway French? Its origin is Algonquin. What some of us do resent is the way Caucasians paint their faces red and wear buckskin and feathers and go hey-yo-yo-yo and woo-woo-woo. It doesn't matter if there are some Indians who take no umbrage at this, not until you have taken a vote from every last one of them in this land that their ancestors founded. Jimmy Carter was as humane and decent a president as this nation has had in this last half-century. So it was appalling to see him at Atlanta Braves baseball games, chanting and chopping a make-believe tomahawk. There are ways to support a favorite team without making a mockery of an entire culture and race. Somebody should take those Cleveland Indians caps with the grinning red-faced Indian and fling them into Ohio's largest incinerator. Somebody should go up to an African-American athlete on the Washington Redskins and ask him how he would like it if his team were known as the Washington uh, you know. I don't mind a team being called the Irish, I really don't. I take pride in my heritage. I wish we could live in a world in which a university's teams could be called the Fighting Italians, the Fighting Mexicans, the Fighting Japanese or the Fighting Germans. Yet if we get rid of some, mustn't we get rid of all? Can a school really get away with calling itself the Fighting Irish in the wake of this NCAA posse's vigilant PC crackdown? Doesn't this scurrilous nickname need to go? Isn't it time
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http://tidesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050809/NEWS/50809002/1011 BREAKING NEWS: Rader, Kines get raises, contract extensions By Adam Jones Staff Writer August 09, 2005 TUSCALOOSA | Contracts for University of Alabama assistant football coaches Dave Rader and Joe Kines were extended two years and each were given a raise in a short trustee committee meeting Tuesday. Both Rader, offensive coordinator, and Kines, defensive coordinator, contracts were extended to June 30, 2007. Raders annual salary was increased from $212,000 to $217,000, while Kines salary went from $212,000 to $240,000. [...] kurt Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Bush criticizes NCAA decision that affects FSU
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2130079 Bush criticizes NCAA decision that affects FSU Associated Press TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Gov. Jeb Bush criticized NCAA officials Tuesday for their decision to penalize Florida State University for using an American Indian nickname and symbols. The governor said the Seminole Tribe of Florida supports the school's use of its name and NCAA officials had insulted the university and Seminole Indians by calling the nickname hostile and abusive. I think they insult those people by telling them, 'No, no, you're not smart enough to understand this. You should be feeling really horrible about this.' It's ridiculous, Bush said. An NCAA official previously said other Seminole tribes were opposed to the use of the name. On Tuesday, NCAA spokesman Bob Williams said officials believe their decision was made on sound legal ground. We recognize this is an emotional issue in Florida, and in other parts of the country there are people who feel just as strongly being opposed, Williams said. The university has until Feb. 1 to make a formal appeal to the NCAA executive committee. Eighteen schools have an American Indian logo or mascot that will be prohibited by the NCAA during postseason events, starting in February. The nicknames will not be allowed on team uniforms and mascots will not be allowed to perform at games, the NCAA announced Friday. Cheerleaders and band members also will be barred from using American Indian nicknames or logos beginning in 2008. Attorney Barry Richard has agreed to represent the school in its case against the NCAA, Florida State President T.K. Wetherell said. Richard successfully led the legal challenge on behalf of President Bush during the 2000 election recount in Florida. If you have the Seminole Tribe and Gov. Bush on your side, how can you go wrong? said Florida State Vice President Lee Hinkle. Bush said the NCAA must have better things to do than sit around worrying about the nicknames adopted by its member institutions. How politically correct can we get? Bush asked. The folks that make these decisions need to get out more often. -- Rick ___ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics E-mail Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan - Wear a Cup! To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription, please visit http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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