Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
MURDER 1 - Original Message - From: Bryan Benefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) What would you call starving someone to death? ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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Whatever he is or is not guilty of is irrelevant to whether or not the feeding tube should be removed. I do find it hard to believe that he won 1.3 million in a malpractice settlement if he is responsible. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Actually Richard, you and Pat appear to be of like mind. I am going to repost an essay that I received off-list that seems to take an objective view of the situation. I have always suspected this husband is not what he is cracked up to be. Now, I suspect it even more. This is long, but worth the read. --- Life Through A Tube? by Techniguy 03-19-2005 For the past week now, the news and talk media have been dominated daily, with one or two exceptions, by one story; the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. With the information being presented by the media, I found myself at odds with the mainstream Republicans and the view of the Conservatives who have taken this issue all the way to the Superior count and the President of the United States. I have always believed that it's just wrong to keep someone alive with artificial means when their time has come to go whether it's by natural causes or artificial. I still believe that but there were questions in the Schiavo case that needed answering. The media turned this into a circus of ideological and moral issues with views from both sides of the question, but really hadn't given us enough information to understand what is really going on. All we really knew was that Terri was in a vegetative state with irreversible brain damage resulting from a heart attack 15 years ago and her husband, Michael Schiavo wants the feeding tube removed as it was Terri's wish, or so he says. There have been plenty of discussions regarding the legal issues involved, and who is right and who is wrong, but we've learned little more from them. I have been thinking about writing this article for a couple of days now which I knew would be controversial with most of my readers, but the way I saw it, no one would want to be kept alive in Terri's condition, and as her Husband, Michael is really the only person who has the legal right to decide the issue. It was bad enough that Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had been waging a seven year court battle to fight against the rights of the husband, but then when the Florida State Legislature, the Governor, and the Federal Government started getting involved in this, It seemed it was going too far. The law is the law, and the law says that Michael Schiavo has the right to have the feeding tube removed, so obey the law and grant him that right. Right? It turns out that the issue just isn't that simple. I am not going to try to support either side of the feeding tube issue here, but rather provide some information that you may not have seen in the news reports. I still believe that the Federal Government has no more business getting involved in this than they have getting involved in steroid use in baseball, it's not their job or any of their business in either case. The government simply has no right interfering in family business. However, there is another issue here that may be government business, what if Michael Schiavo is responsible for Terri's condition? Does Michael Schiavo want Terri dead for her sake or for his own? Some say it's for money but I don't believe that's the case. In November 1992, her husband, Michael, won a medical malpractice lawsuit after claiming that doctors failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance that caused the heart attack. The court awarded approximately $1.3 million in damages with $300,000 to Michael for his loss and another $700,000 to Michael for Terri's guardianship and care. Schiavo claims the money has been used to fund therapy for Terri and only about $50,000 remains in her fund. World Net Daily has reported, Attorney and Director of Florida Right to Die, George J. Felos has been paid some $358,000 from the fund and Schiavo's other attorney reportedly received $80,000. Schiavo added that there is no life insurance policy on Terri's life and stressed he stands to gain nothing financially from her death. Mr. Schiavo is financially sound in his own business and has even turned down a $1 million offer to transfer custody of Terri to her parents and walk away. He doesn't need or want the money. For him, it's not about money yet he refuses to allow Terri's parents to take responsibility for her care and divorce himself from the situation altogether. Why? According to the record based on statements by Mr. Schiavo, and supported by a decision by Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer, Terri had told Michael that she wouldn't want to be kept alive
RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
Well Tim, There are quite a few holes in this essay. This is exactly what I was talking about? There are people spreading things in regards to this case that are half truths or out it out lies. First, it has been proven that he did not have relations with other women until she was in her veg. state. Second, the court experts ruled that her veg state was due to her heart stopping and the lack of oxygen being supplied to her brain. The cases of abuse have been gone through by the courts and have been proven no such abuse has occurred. So, where do we go from here? I can say that most people that I have talked to say that they would not want to be kept alive by these means. I myself am included. Her parents have recently stated that she is being abused and mistreated by hospice. In order for hospice to accept you, you have to be diagnosed as Terminal. These reports have also been found out to be false. I have come to believe that the parents will say and do whatever it takes to keep Terri alive. Even Lie! I feel for both of them but, I have not heard the Husband say one bad thing about her parents. For 15 years her parents could have paid for her medical treatment. Have they? No! The citizens of the state of Florida and her Husband have been doing that. I feel for both of them but, I feel that Terri would not want to be kept like she is in her current condition. What is life. She has no brain activity, she doesn't feel pain and now there are propagand being spred through the news she spoke up and didn't want her feeding tube pulled. Please, give me a break. The woman hasn't said it on either of the first 2 attempts the tube was removed. So, why now? Because, here is someone trying to push there own agenda. Let this woman rest in piece! She has been made a political pawn. Period! Richard From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:24:24 -0500 Actually Richard, you and Pat appear to be of like mind. I am going to repost an essay that I received off-list that seems to take an objective view of the situation. I have always suspected this husband is not what he is cracked up to be. Now, I suspect it even more. This is long, but worth the read. --- Life Through A Tube? by Techniguy 03-19-2005 For the past week now, the news and talk media have been dominated daily, with one or two exceptions, by one story; the removal of Terri Schiavos feeding tube. With the information being presented by the media, I found myself at odds with the mainstream Republicans and the view of the Conservatives who have taken this issue all the way to the Superior count and the President of the United States. I have always believed that its just wrong to keep someone alive with artificial means when their time has come to go whether its by natural causes or artificial. I still believe that but there were questions in the Schiavo case that needed answering. The media turned this into a circus of ideological and moral issues with views from both sides of the question, but really hadnt given us enough information to understand what is really going on. All we really knew was that Terri was in a vegetative state with irreversible brain damage resulting from a heart attack 15 years ago and her husband, Michael Schiavo wants the feeding tube removed as it was Terris wish, or so he says. There have been plenty of discussions regarding the legal issues involved, and who is right and who is wrong, but weve learned little more from them. I have been thinking about writing this article for a couple of days now which I knew would be controversial with most of my readers, but the way I saw it, no one would want to be kept alive in Terris condition, and as her Husband, Michael is really the only person who has the legal right to decide the issue. It was bad enough that Terris parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had been waging a seven year court battle to fight against the rights of the husband, but then when the Florida State Legislature, the Governor, and the Federal Government started getting involved in this, It seemed it was going too far. The law is the law, and the law says that Michael Schiavo has the right to have the feeding tube removed, so obey the law and grant him that right. Right? It turns out that the issue just isnt that simple. I am not going to try to support either side of the feeding tube issue here, but rather provide some information that you may not have seen in the news reports. I still believe that the Federal Government has no more business getting involved in this than they have getting involved in steroid use in baseball, its not their job or any
RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
Pat, I understand what you are saying and I think a lot of people's opinions do boil down to what they would want done to themselves. For the record I WOULD want to be kept alive. But more than that, I would want every single thing done from a therapy standpoint, even experimental, to help me regain my ability to communicate. That is where most people with my viewpoint have a problem with this situation. It is my understanding that Michael Shiavo never mentioned this alleged conversation that he says he had with Terri (where she said she would not want to be kept alive in this situation) until seven years after her incapacitation and after he had won approx $1 million in a malpractice suit. He has refused to allow therapy for her. Most doctors, even those that say she cannot recover from this state, agree that she could eat and drink on her own with proper therapy, but her husband will not allow it. He will not allow speech therapy, he will not allow a TV to be turned on in her room. Many people who have recovered from comas say that the TV helped them to maintain a level of communication with the outside world and helped them to pull themselves out of the condition. Terri is not in a coma and doctors say that nobody has ever recovered from her state. Well, 15 years ago, none of us had ever sent an e-mail either. Technology changes. The cure to her condition could be the next breakthrough, but her husband is doing everything he can to make sure she is not around to benefit from it. Due to her husband's actions, I feel that his story that she expressed a wish to die can only be treated as hearsay. He is not reliable. She did not express her wishes on paper, there are people who are ready willing and able to take care of her. If we (society) err here, we should err on the side that is not irreversible and that is to allow her to live. I agree with the legislation in the Florida legislature that would say that if a person does not have a living well or has not expressed their desire to die in writing, then every effort should be made towards rehabilitation. If nothing else, this would get a lot of people thinking about a living will for themselves and could avoid this situation in the future. Finally if this judge is going to rule that she should be killed, then she should at least be killed in a humane and proactive way. Starvation/dehydration will be extremely painful for her. This judge should grow a set of balls and rule that she should die by lethal injection. If he wants to be humane and stop her suffering why is he ensuring that she suffer in her final days? He is despicable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:00 AM To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one Joe. I have been involved in 2 decisions like this one. Fortunately God made the decision for us for one we made the wrong call on the other prolonged the poor woman's suffering. I personally know of no one that wants to live like that poor girl has. I'm pretty sure that all the married folks on this list knows exactly what their spouse would want them to do under these circumstances Terri's husband is no different. He may actually be one of those rare people today that makes a promise makes every effort to keep it, therefore divorce is not an option. BTW, refusing medical treatment is not euthanasia. - Original Message - From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In Florida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) I never want to wonder whether the physician coming into my hospital room is wearing the white coat of the healer or the black hood of the executioner. Alexander Capron (American lawyer. Source: Daily Telegraph 8/10/04) The truth is that we all have a right to die with dignity, which means being given good palliative care and pain relief. What the supporters of euthanasia are really arguing for is not the right to die with dignity, but the right to be killed. They are demanding of doctors that they become killers. Archbishop Peter Smith (Daily Telegraph: 19/12/2004) Euthanasia is a grave violation of the law of God, since it is the deliberate and morally unacceptable killing of a human person. Pope John Paul II: Evangelium Vitae, 1995 Euthanasia is a long, smooth-sounding word, and it conceals its danger as long, smooth words do, but the danger is there, nevertheless. Pearl S. Buck This life in us. . . however low it flickers or fiercely burns, is still a divine flame which no man dare presume to put out, be his motives never so humane and enlightened. To suppose otherwise
Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
Very true, but don't you think SHE has suffered enough already? - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) or... He could be the one who put her in the state she is in and doesn't want to become Leroy's bitch in prison. Just a thought... --- Original Message --- On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:59:40 -0600, Pat Smoot wrote: He may actually be one of those rare people today that makes a promise makes every effort to keep it, therefore divorce is not an option. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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Yes, I think she has suffered very much. However, I do not know if she is currently suffering. I don't think anyone really does. I do know that the 5-17 days it will take her to die will cause even more suffering that she has experienced to date. It's a horrible, horrible way to die. I know my self and I know my fat ass could never do this but I wish a few hundred or a few thousand people would go and camp in front of the hospital and the judge's house and not eat or drink until she is either dead or put back on food. Let the public, the monster of a husband, and that piece of shit judge see what happens to a starved dehydrated body. Pain killers or not, it's going to be horrible. --- Original Message --- On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:06:14 -0600, Pat Smoot wrote: Very true, but don't you think SHE has suffered enough already? - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) or... He could be the one who put her in the state she is in and doesn't want to become Leroy's bitch in prison. Just a thought... --- Original Message --- On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:59:40 -0600, Pat Smoot wrote: He may actually be one of those rare people today that makes a promise makes every effort to keep it, therefore divorce is not an option. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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Pat, there is no equipment keeping her alive. She is simply being fed and given water. Her husband has refused to allow therapy that would let her eat and drink without the tube. Her husband is really beginning to look like a person who has something to hide. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:59 PM To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) You're kidding, right? Kill her? I don't think that removing her from medical equipment that is sustaining her life as killing her. Remove all equipment let nature run its course. Why do you feel the need to torture the ones you love? - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In Florida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) My last post on the subject: Why does hubby have a problem just walking away? Why not just let the hundreds of thousands of people willing to donate millions of dollars pay for her private care for the rest of her life? Why play God and KILL her? If she didn't leave a living will (how many of you actually HAVE one?) and only one person supposedly heard her say she wanted to die if this happened, why not take the less permanent course of action a let her live? What is the damn harm? Just divorce her and WALK THE FUCK AWAY! Javvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) --- Original Message --- On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:38:01 -0500, John R. Wodziak wrote: Quoting JVWatts at 22:12 18-03-05: But the real sad part is all of the outsiders joining the fray just to promote their own agendasJamie Which outsiders are you talking about here? Jebby Bush? Gov FLA_USA? Or Bill Frist of Indiana or some other Midwestern state? or the rest of the Republicans in the US Congress that somehow managed to wrest themselves away from the incredibly important Baseball/Mark McGuire steroid hearings so they can focus on some of the more serious problems in the United States today? Or the Florida Senate/Reps that have already been found in violation of the US Constitution by activist judges? Or are you just pissed that Judge Greer, (Republican BTW) who is pissed off by this entire situation, was re-elected last year in Tampa, FLA, USA? Which outsiders do you mean? IMHO, the only people who really matter here are the Hubby and the Mom/Dad. Everyone else is an outsider, especially you and me. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net __ NOD32 1.1030 (20050319) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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I am ok with agreeing to disagree. You and I agree so often that I think this is one of the 1st times I have not agreed with your position. If her husband was so heavy into promises, then he would not be disregarding his wedding vows by running around on his wife fathering children with another woman. I think that the words till death do us part is part of those vows / promises. I suspect that there is a hefty insurance policy somewhere in the equation. I don't know, I only suspect. Joe Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one Joe. I have been involved in 2 decisions like this one. Fortunately God made the decision for us for one we made the wrong call on the other prolonged the poor woman's suffering. I personally know of no one that wants to live like that poor girl has. I'm pretty sure that all the married folks on this list knows exactly what their spouse would want them to do under these circumstances Terri's husband is no different. He may actually be one of those rare people today that makes a promise makes every effort to keep it, therefore divorce is not an option. BTW, refusing medical treatment is not euthanasia. - Original Message - From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In Florida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) I never want to wonder whether the physician coming into my hospital room is wearing the white coat of the healer or the black hood of the executioner. Alexander Capron (American lawyer. Source: Daily Telegraph 8/10/04) The truth is that we all have a right to die with dignity, which means being given good palliative care and pain relief. What the supporters of euthanasia are really arguing for is not the right to die with dignity, but the right to be killed. They are demanding of doctors that they become killers. Archbishop Peter Smith (Daily Telegraph: 19/12/2004) Euthanasia is a grave violation of the law of God, since it is the deliberate and morally unacceptable killing of a human person. Pope John Paul II: Evangelium Vitae, 1995 Euthanasia is a long, smooth-sounding word, and it conceals its danger as long, smooth words do, but the danger is there, nevertheless. Pearl S. Buck This life in us. . . however low it flickers or fiercely burns, is still a divine flame which no man dare presume to put out, be his motives never so humane and enlightened. To suppose otherwise is to countenance a death-wish. Either life is always and in all circumstances sacred, or intrinsically of no account; it is inconceivable that it should be in some cases the one, and in some the other. Malcolm Muggeridge That is all. Joe Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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Quite possible. Joe Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) or... He could be the one who put her in the state she is in and doesn't want to become Leroy's bitch in prison. Just a thought... --- Original Message --- On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:59:40 -0600, Pat Smoot wrote: He may actually be one of those rare people today that makes a promise makes every effort to keep it, therefore divorce is not an option. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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SONJA'S WISHES: If I become a turnip, Speaking of turnips: Does anybody know the worst thing about eating a vegetable ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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You never know if she actually cums? running like hell --- Original Message --- On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:22:01 -0500, JVWatts wrote: Speaking of turnips: Does anybody know the worst thing about eating a vegetable ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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- Original Message - From: John R. Wodziak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Or where you waiting for another movement? Yeah, we're still waiting on the liberals to move the fuck out of our country. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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At 23:26 18-03-05 Pat Smoot wrote: - Original Message - From: John R. Wodziak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Or where you waiting for another movement? Yeah, we're still waiting on the liberals to move the fuck out of our country. Mrs Smoot, When you quote me, please quote me in full. And give me credit for what I said, not what you wanted me to say. I'm not moving out of the Smoot country. I love the Smoot country, be it as you think, South of the Mason Dixon line, or anywhere in the NorthEast. If you want to wave the Rebel Battle Flag over SC's state house, or over the flagship U of SC/GA/AL/etc, I really don't care. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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I don't disagree with you at all SonjaBut I see the parents argument in this tooAnd yes everybody should make out a living will, so that these decisions aren't left up to anybody elseJamie Jamie: This all comes down to quality of life. Why is it that we can be humane to animals but not to people? As a mother I understand the anything it takes to keep my child here mantra, but at some point you have to think about what the child's quality of life actually is. Some will say that I don't know what Terri feels or doesn't feel. That's true, but I know I would not want to be like that. Not being able to communicate and live a normal life, yes, I would want someone to let me go. This is the very reason it is so important for all of us to make our wishes known when we are still in a [somewhat] rational state of mind. Sonja ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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Hey Pat! I found that bug you were looking for! --- Original Message --- On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:00:10 -0500, John R. Wodziak wrote: At 23:26 18-03-05 Pat Smoot wrote: - Original Message - From: John R. Wodziak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Or where you waiting for another movement? Yeah, we're still waiting on the liberals to move the fuck out of our country. Mrs Smoot, When you quote me, please quote me in full. And give me credit for what I said, not what you wanted me to say. I'm not moving out of the Smoot country. I love the Smoot country, be it as you think, South of the Mason Dixon line, or anywhere in the NorthEast. If you want to wave the Rebel Battle Flag over SC's state house, or over the flagship U of SC/GA/AL/etc, I really don't care. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
