RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it?
Nice Hallmark card you present here. Touches on all the right emotions And what this man says may be true, I'm not there and according to him, he is. He comments on how much better things are in general and that all the violence is concentrated in a small area. Does that make the rest of the country appear safer then? The violence of 911 was concentrated to an area of a few city blocks, but I don't know if the remainder if the US is safer now. Assuming he's correct in all he says, I can find only one underlying thread to his comments that makes me take a second look. Here's the quote needed to discuss: Folks, take a deep breath, they're better off over there now than they were before.. Ok. Fine THEY are better off than before. WTF? I thought we were going to war to find WMD. Isn't that what Dubya told us? Isn't that what Powell repeated on TV many times? Wasn't the threat of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons the reasons we loaded up CNN, Fox and PBS to cover the invasion and to record the discovery of stock piles of WMD We were told that Saddam had all these weapons and they were pointed towards us and hence the greatest military in the world took on an army whose most advanced weapons involved a potato gun and a modified Toyota pick-up. And we beat the daylights out of them. Good for us. And the liberation began. I'm sorry, the occupation began. After searching high and low (and under coffee tables), no WMD were found. So, for damage control the spin goes that Saddam was a bad man and should have been removed because of the way he treats his people. Excuse me, that is a little different than the US being threaten by nuclear weapons. I could give a rat's arse about how much better off they are. I'm not in-sensitive, I just don't care. The war was not about making them all Ward and June Cleaver. The war was to stop a dictator from using his WMD to kill us. We spent billions of dollars to destroy the country and prolly twice as much to re-build it. Oh, THAT makes sense. So all these folks can live a better life. Touching. But what about the millions of people in this country (Legally) who don't have enough to eat, clothes to wear and soccer balls to play with I wonder how much good could have been done in this country with $200 billion? So, according to John Matthews, the war was worth it because the people of Iraq are out from under the terrible ruler Saddam. Then, if that is the pre-requisite for invading the countries of the world, I think Time magazine or one like it has ranked the world's worst rulers with respect to how the people of the country are treated. I better get a copy so I can send it to the next Prez. No need in wasting valuable time and energy trying to figure out where to invade next when the list has already been compiled. I think one of the rulers towards the top lives in Africa. Will the embedded reporters need to get their passports renewed first??? And if John does indeed like being pro-active instead of re-active, tell him that North Korea is on Line 1 and the clock is ticking -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:26 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:[RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? From the Orlando Sentinel... FRIDAY FORUM Today's topic: Was the war in Iraq worth it? By John Matthews | My Word Posted March 26, 2004 Was the war in Iraq worth it? It depends on whom you ask. I'm a soldier, not a politician. This is from my perspective as someone who spent the last 12 months with his boots on the ground in Iraq. If you were to ask an American soldier's parent or family member who has lost a son, daughter, father or sister over there, then of course the war was not worth it. I can't imagine their pain and sorrow. My heart goes out to them. If you were to ask an Iraqi parent or other family member who has gained back a son, daughter, father or sister from having to serve and die under Saddam's army or service his henchmen's wants and perversions, and now has their family whole again with a chance to live and pursue happiness, then, of course, the war was worth it. Wars are like that. You don't win a war. What I'd hope you'd understand is that this isn't about winning. It's about doing what is right. This war was worth it. I was a truck battalion XO and had more that 1,500 brave and competent soldiers traveling the entire north/south highways in Iraq. Think of driving from Miami to Savannah every day, every week for a year, with 40 pounds of gear and 130-degree heat during the summer. You feel and see everything in these convoys. Good and bad. Recently I traveled to an orphanage in Nasiriyah, the Iraqi town where Jessica Lynch's team were ambushed. It is a different town now. I traded cigars with some of the local police force, played patty-cake
RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it?
Given a reason, yes. And in due time, the gubmint will provide yet another reason to vote for Perot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:29 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? Jobu, If WMD had been found, you and all like you would have found some other reason to bitch. Slef E. (The *E* stands for STFU.) - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? : Nice Hallmark card you present here. Touches on all the right emotions : : And what this man says may be true, I'm not there and according to him, he : is. He comments on how much better things are in general and that all the : violence is concentrated in a small area. Does that make the rest of the : country appear safer then? The violence of 911 was concentrated to an area : of a few city blocks, but I don't know if the remainder if the US is safer : now. : : Assuming he's correct in all he says, I can find only one underlying thread : to his comments that makes me take a second look. Here's the quote needed to : discuss: Folks, take a deep breath, they're better off over there now than : they were before.. : : Ok. Fine THEY are better off than before. WTF? I thought we were going : to war to find WMD. Isn't that what Dubya told us? Isn't that what Powell : repeated on TV many times? Wasn't the threat of nuclear, biological and : chemical weapons the reasons we loaded up CNN, Fox and PBS to cover the : invasion and to record the discovery of stock piles of WMD We were told : that Saddam had all these weapons and they were pointed towards us and hence : the greatest military in the world took on an army whose most advanced : weapons involved a potato gun and a modified Toyota pick-up. : : And we beat the daylights out of them. Good for us. And the liberation : began. I'm sorry, the occupation began. After searching high and low (and : under coffee tables), no WMD were found. So, for damage control the spin : goes that Saddam was a bad man and should have been removed because of the : way he treats his people. Excuse me, that is a little different than the US : being threaten by nuclear weapons. : : I could give a rat's arse about how much better off they are. I'm not : in-sensitive, I just don't care. The war was not about making them all Ward : and June Cleaver. The war was to stop a dictator from using his WMD to kill : us. We spent billions of dollars to destroy the country and prolly twice as : much to re-build it. Oh, THAT makes sense. So all these folks can live a : better life. : : Touching. But what about the millions of people in this country (Legally) : who don't have enough to eat, clothes to wear and soccer balls to play : with I wonder how much good could have been done in this country with : $200 billion? : : So, according to John Matthews, the war was worth it because the people of : Iraq are out from under the terrible ruler Saddam. Then, if that is the : pre-requisite for invading the countries of the world, I think Time magazine : or one like it has ranked the world's worst rulers with respect to how the : people of the country are treated. I better get a copy so I can send it to : the next Prez. No need in wasting valuable time and energy trying to figure : out where to invade next when the list has already been compiled. : : I think one of the rulers towards the top lives in Africa. Will the embedded : reporters need to get their passports renewed first??? : : And if John does indeed like being pro-active instead of re-active, tell him : that North Korea is on Line 1 and the clock is ticking : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On : Behalf Of Tim Boozer : Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:26 PM : To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List : Subject: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : From the Orlando Sentinel... : : : : FRIDAY FORUM : Today's topic: Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : By John Matthews | My Word : Posted March 26, 2004 : : Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : It depends on whom you ask. : : I'm a soldier, not a politician. This is from my perspective as someone who : spent the last 12 months with his boots on the ground in Iraq. : : If you were to ask an American soldier's parent or family member who has : lost a son, daughter, father or sister over there, then of course the war : was not worth it. I can't imagine their pain and sorrow. My heart goes out : to them. : : If you were to ask an Iraqi parent or other family member who has gained : back a son, daughter, father
Re: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it?
In a message dated 4/1/2004 9:29:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jobu, If WMD had been found, you and all like you would have found some other reason to bitch. Slef E. (The *E* stands for STFU.) - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? : Nice Hallmark card you present here. Touches on all the right emotions : : And what this man says may be true, I'm not there and according to him, he : is. He comments on how much better things are in general and that all the : violence is concentrated in a small area. Does that make the rest of the : country appear safer then? The violence of 911 was concentrated to an area : of a few city blocks, but I don't know if the remainder if the US is safer : now. : : Assuming he's correct in all he says, I can find only one underlying thread : to his comments that makes me take a second look. Here's the quote needed to : discuss: Folks, take a deep breath, they're better off over there now than : they were before.. : : Ok. Fine THEY are better off than before. WTF? I thought we were going : to war to find WMD. Isn't that what Dubya told us? Isn't that what Powell : repeated on TV many times? Wasn't the threat of nuclear, biological and : chemical weapons the reasons we loaded up CNN, Fox and PBS to cover the : invasion and to record the discovery of stock piles of WMD We were told : that Saddam had all these weapons and they were pointed towards us and hence : the greatest military in the world took on an army whose most advanced : weapons involved a potato gun and a modified Toyota pick-up. : : And we beat the daylights out of them. Good for us. And the liberation : began. I'm sorry, the occupation began. After searching high and low (and : under coffee tables), no WMD were found. So, for damage control the spin : goes that Saddam was a bad man and should have been removed because of the : way he treats his people. Excuse me, that is a little different than the US : being threaten by nuclear weapons. : : I could give a rat's arse about how much better off they are. I'm not : in-sensitive, I just don't care. The war was not about making them all Ward : and June Cleaver. The war was to stop a dictator from using his WMD to kill : us. We spent billions of dollars to destroy the country and prolly twice as : much to re-build it. Oh, THAT makes sense. So all these folks can live a : better life. : : Touching. But what about the millions of people in this country (Legally) : who don't have enough to eat, clothes to wear and soccer balls to play : with I wonder how much good could have been done in this country with : $200 billion? : : So, according to John Matthews, the war was worth it because the people of : Iraq are out from under the terrible ruler Saddam. Then, if that is the : pre-requisite for invading the countries of the world, I think Time magazine : or one like it has ranked the world's worst rulers with respect to how the : people of the country are treated. I better get a copy so I can send it to : the next Prez. No need in wasting valuable time and energy trying to figure : out where to invade next when the list has already been compiled. : : I think one of the rulers towards the top lives in Africa. Will the embedded : reporters need to get their passports renewed first??? : : And if John does indeed like being pro-active instead of re-active, tell him : that North Korea is on Line 1 and the clock is ticking : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On : Behalf Of Tim Boozer : Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:26 PM : To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List : Subject: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : From the Orlando Sentinel... : : : : FRIDAY FORUM : Today's topic: Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : By John Matthews | My Word : Posted March 26, 2004 : : Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : It depends on whom you ask. : : I'm a soldier, not a politician. This is from my perspective as someone who : spent the last 12 months with his boots on the ground in Iraq. : : If you were to ask an American soldier's parent or family member who has : lost a son, daughter, father or sister over there, then of course the war : was not worth it. I can't imagine their pain and sorrow. My heart goes out : to them. : : If you were to ask an Iraqi parent or other family member who has gained : back a son, daughter, father or sister from having to serve and die under : Saddam's army or service his henchmen's wants and perversions, and now has : their family whole again with a chance to live and pursue
Re: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it?
In a message dated 4/1/2004 9:47:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given a reason, yes. And in due time, the gubmint will provide yet another reason to vote for Perot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:29 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? Jobu, If WMD had been found, you and all like you would have found some other reason to bitch. Slef E. (The *E* stands for STFU.) - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? : Nice Hallmark card you present here. Touches on all the right emotions : : And what this man says may be true, I'm not there and according to him, he : is. He comments on how much better things are in general and that all the : violence is concentrated in a small area. Does that make the rest of the : country appear safer then? The violence of 911 was concentrated to an area : of a few city blocks, but I don't know if the remainder if the US is safer : now. : : Assuming he's correct in all he says, I can find only one underlying thread : to his comments that makes me take a second look. Here's the quote needed to : discuss: Folks, take a deep breath, they're better off over there now than : they were before.. : : Ok. Fine THEY are better off than before. WTF? I thought we were going : to war to find WMD. Isn't that what Dubya told us? Isn't that what Powell : repeated on TV many times? Wasn't the threat of nuclear, biological and : chemical weapons the reasons we loaded up CNN, Fox and PBS to cover the : invasion and to record the discovery of stock piles of WMD We were told : that Saddam had all these weapons and they were pointed towards us and hence : the greatest military in the world took on an army whose most advanced : weapons involved a potato gun and a modified Toyota pick-up. : : And we beat the daylights out of them. Good for us. And the liberation : began. I'm sorry, the occupation began. After searching high and low (and : under coffee tables), no WMD were found. So, for damage control the spin : goes that Saddam was a bad man and should have been removed because of the : way he treats his people. Excuse me, that is a little different than the US : being threaten by nuclear weapons. : : I could give a rat's arse about how much better off they are. I'm not : in-sensitive, I just don't care. The war was not about making them all Ward : and June Cleaver. The war was to stop a dictator from using his WMD to kill : us. We spent billions of dollars to destroy the country and prolly twice as : much to re-build it. Oh, THAT makes sense. So all these folks can live a : better life. : : Touching. But what about the millions of people in this country (Legally) : who don't have enough to eat, clothes to wear and soccer balls to play : with I wonder how much good could have been done in this country with : $200 billion? : : So, according to John Matthews, the war was worth it because the people of : Iraq are out from under the terrible ruler Saddam. Then, if that is the : pre-requisite for invading the countries of the world, I think Time magazine : or one like it has ranked the world's worst rulers with respect to how the : people of the country are treated. I better get a copy so I can send it to : the next Prez. No need in wasting valuable time and energy trying to figure : out where to invade next when the list has already been compiled. : : I think one of the rulers towards the top lives in Africa. Will the embedded : reporters need to get their passports renewed first??? : : And if John does indeed like being pro-active instead of re-active, tell him : that North Korea is on Line 1 and the clock is ticking : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On : Behalf Of Tim Boozer : Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:26 PM : To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List : Subject: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : From the Orlando Sentinel... : : : : FRIDAY FORUM : Today's topic: Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : By John Matthews | My Word : Posted March 26, 2004 : : Was the war in Iraq worth it? : : It depends on whom you ask. : : I'm a soldier, not a politician. This is from my perspective as someone who : spent the last 12 months with his boots on the ground in Iraq. : : If you were to ask an American soldier's parent or family member who has : lost a son, daughter, father or sister over there, then of course
RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it?
That time I spent in Federal prison forbids me from running for public office. One simple little aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and no more political campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:13 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? Maybe if all you folks who think you have all the answers would run for public office, this country wouldn't have so many problems. Slef E. - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? : Given a reason, yes. : : And in due time, the gubmint will provide yet another reason to vote for : Perot. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it?
Joel, Are you an April fools joke? We need to know. Sincerely, Peoplewhothink __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it?
People who think also think outside the box. Or, in your case, out from under the rock. Best wishes, 600 dead and counting.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:09 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it? Joel, Are you an April fools joke? We need to know. Sincerely, Peoplewhothink __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] NON Tide - Was the war in Iraq worth it?
From the Orlando Sentinel... FRIDAY FORUM Today's topic: Was the war in Iraq worth it? By John Matthews | My Word Posted March 26, 2004 Was the war in Iraq worth it? It depends on whom you ask. I'm a soldier, not a politician. This is from my perspective as someone who spent the last 12 months with his boots on the ground in Iraq. If you were to ask an American soldier's parent or family member who has lost a son, daughter, father or sister over there, then of course the war was not worth it. I can't imagine their pain and sorrow. My heart goes out to them. If you were to ask an Iraqi parent or other family member who has gained back a son, daughter, father or sister from having to serve and die under Saddam's army or service his henchmen's wants and perversions, and now has their family whole again with a chance to live and pursue happiness, then, of course, the war was worth it. Wars are like that. You don't win a war. What I'd hope you'd understand is that this isn't about winning. It's about doing what is right. This war was worth it. I was a truck battalion XO and had more that 1,500 brave and competent soldiers traveling the entire north/south highways in Iraq. Think of driving from Miami to Savannah every day, every week for a year, with 40 pounds of gear and 130-degree heat during the summer. You feel and see everything in these convoys. Good and bad. Recently I traveled to an orphanage in Nasiriyah, the Iraqi town where Jessica Lynch's team were ambushed. It is a different town now. I traded cigars with some of the local police force, played patty-cake with the kids, showed off pictures of my family to the local teens who insisted that I allow them to marry my teenage daughter. We played a game of soccer (soldiers against kids; we lost). Folks, take a deep breath, they're better off over there now than they were before. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is the truth. Their newfound freedom shows and multiplies every day. Shops are selling us colas, ice, flags and other items. Families get to keep their crops, herds, water and electricity instead of Saddam taking a percentage. We've got their electric and sewage running decades better than it used to. The insurgents blow it up to promote instability. Kids are going to new schools and playing soccer instead of throwing rocks at convoys or learning how to turn a coke can into an improvised explosive device. They are interested in us and we are interested in them. Bottom line, rubber meeting the road and all that . . . honest. That Miami-to-Savannah trip I mentioned earlier: Most of the ambushes are occurring only in an area the size of Jacksonville. The media -- and therefore, YOU -- are focusing on the tree instead of the forest. From what I've seen in the papers and on cable, you'd think that we've made no progress over there at all and blame politicians. But this isn't politics to those Iraqi survivors or my soldiers. We have made progress by leaps and bounds. There are setbacks and finger-pointing at levels way above my pay grade, but in the end Iraq is better off. The Iraqi minister of tourism isn't getting too many calls, but it'll happen. If Friday Forum is still around in 10 years, look for my letter. The Middle East has been given a wake-up call: We'll bring the fight to you, to protect our freedom and our way of life. Give me proactive over re-active any day of the week. I don't want to be sitting in my office building in Orlando saying, Hey, that plane's flying kind of low . . . . John Matthews, a major in the Army Reserves, lives in Clermont. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
