Re:Several questions about the draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo

2021-11-18 Thread xiao.min2
Thank you Jeff! A very clear description on the core motivation and current situation. >From the author's perspective, I'd like to remove the reference to BBF TR-146 >if it's becoming a blocking issue instead of a supporting argument. Best Regards, Xiao Min

Re: Several questions about the draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo

2021-11-18 Thread David Sinicrope
Hi Jeff, (Sorry for bouncing around email addresses on you… IT challenges this week) Thanks for clarifying the assertion concerning BBF interest. Still, given the statement in the adoption call and the clear references to TR-146 in the draft, it would be a good idea to liaise to BBF, even if

Re: Several questions about the draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo

2021-11-18 Thread Jeffrey Haas
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:38:02PM -0500, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > David, > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 05:18:38PM +, David Sinicrope wrote: > > Sorry, I don't recall our discussion, but then it would have been as long > > ago as Singapore in Nov 2019 or before. > > (Is it possible you spoke

Re: Several questions about the draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo

2021-11-18 Thread Jeffrey Haas
David, On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 05:18:38PM +, David Sinicrope wrote: > Sorry, I don't recall our discussion, but then it would have been as long ago > as Singapore in Nov 2019 or before. > (Is it possible you spoke with Dave Allan?) That's possible! As I noted in the thread, my notes from

RE: Several questions about the draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo

2021-11-18 Thread David Sinicrope
Thanks Jeff. Sorry, I don't recall our discussion, but then it would have been as long ago as Singapore in Nov 2019 or before. (Is it possible you spoke with Dave Allan?) I can say as the BBF Liaison Manager there have been many past claims of BBF interest in IETF work without substantiation.

Re: Several questions about the draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo

2021-11-18 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Thank you, Greg. While I was in the process of responding to a similar inquiry from Joel Halpern I was about to comment that I believe I had discussion with David about this proposal over lunch at an IETF. The items that made it into formal IETF record for bfd unaffiliated: This work was

Re: Several questions about the draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo

2021-11-18 Thread Greg Mirsky
Adding BBF Liaison officer David Sinicrope to the discussion. I have a question regarding the BBF's interest in this work. Had IETF and the BFD WG received an official liaison from BBF regarding its interest in standardizing the mechanism mentioned in TR-146? If not, how the BFD WG has concluded

Re: Several questions about the draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo

2021-11-18 Thread Jeffrey Haas
I owe the commenters in this thread a detailed response in the near future. However, I did want to highlight the underlying motivation the Working Group had to pick up this work. On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 05:00:09PM +0800, xiao.m...@zte.com.cn wrote: > As you may have known or not, before this