[rules-users] setting conditional operators in Excel RuleSet

2010-04-02 Thread Deepak__A

All,

I am using excel for writing the rules.
is it possible to have conditional operators like OR AND specified in the
excel?
I also need to support negation (NOT) operator.

Is it possible to do this in excel, if yes can someone 
give me an example on how to do this.

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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

So, is there something similar:

processInstance.findWorkItemsInWaitState()

that the framework provides?
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Re: [rules-users] Error When changing persistence from H2 to Oracle for TaskService

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

@ramram,

   As I already said in Drools-Dev:
http://n3.nabble.com/Persistence-issue-using-Oracle-td417229.html#a417229

   As of Drools 5.1 M1, Drools Flow will not work with Oracle via 

   property name=hibernate.hbm2ddl.auto
value=create / 

   due to the fact that some of Drools Flow Entity Names are longer than 30
characters (Oracle does not eat that), some of Drools Flow Entity properties
use Oracle keywords (e.g. USER, etc..), ...

   You would have to remap them manually, and manually create your schema.

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Re: [rules-users] How to do Exception Handling???

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

+1

Documentation on this is unclear. Unit tests in drools-src handle exceptions
using Fault nodes, but not real exceptions that are thrown by
WorkItemHandlers.

1. Can I have Process or Composite node exception handlers catch my own (or
any other) exception other than just Faults? and if so, how can accomplish
that? How I register my custom exception handler?

2. If the above is possible... How can I pass the exception to the custom
exception handler so I can work with it (log the stack trace, etc)? 

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Re: [rules-users] Drools Flow: WORK_ITEM_ID as a flow variable

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

Any updates on what I should copy from WSHT?

Thank you,
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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Mauricio Salatino
No, that method, or something similar is not provided by the process APIs.
We think that the process must continue the execution and when it's at a
wait state you must have a mechanism to continue. Remember that you can also
use signals for that.
By the way, I think that the only thing that you need is:
((RuleFlowProcessInstance)processInstance).getNodeInstances().
That method will return all the nodes that are in a wait states for that
process instance.

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 So, is there something similar:

processInstance.findWorkItemsInWaitState()

 that the framework provides?
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Re: [rules-users] Drools Flow: Find a Session ID to reload the JPA Stateful session

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

still unsure what the best approach would be to find an ID of the Session
that was suspended to reload. Appreciate ideas  real life examples.

Thank you,
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Re: [rules-users] Drools Flow: Getting to the right Process from the re-loaded Session

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

How do other people solve this?

The business entity should have NO knowledge about workflow (SESSION_ID,
PROCESS_ID, WORK_ITEM_ID, etc..).

Knowing that the framework does not help me to get the _current_ process
instance from the session object, I am thinking on either to 

use Variable Persistence to save Business_ID and Process_Instance_ID as two
variables, and handcraft the query to find the latest Process_Instance_ID
from the VariableInstanceInfo by the Business_ID provided

OR

Create Business_ID | Process_Instance_ID reference table, and here I will
have to pass a BusinessProcess entity to every flow. Still needs a
separate DB call

OR

[fill in your approach, let's have a discussion]

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Re: [rules-users] Drools Flow: Find a Session ID to reload the JPA Stateful session

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

not sure why it is a generic way to present a problem. 

I am just looking for an approach to find a Session_ID of the session that
was suspended. Best approaches, approaches that other people use, suggested
approach, etc..

For example why would not the framework (Drools Flow) have something like:

 UNIT_OF_WORK_ID | SESSION_ID | PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID

that can be used to know exactly what the SESSION_ID ( ..
PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, etc ) by the business key.

So I would be interested in hearing any approaches that are used out there
in the real world.

Thank you,
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[rules-users] Drools objects' methods

2010-04-02 Thread Bertrand Grottier

Hello,

In the documentation, it is written (4.8.2.1.1):
A Field constraint specifies a restriction to be used on
 a
named field

A bit further:
A field is derived from an accessible method of the 
object.
  If your model
  objects follow the Java Bean pattern, then fields are exposed 
using
  getXXX or isXXX methods, where these methods take no
  arguments, and return something. Within patterns, fields can 
be
  accessed using the bean naming convention...

Is this mean that we have no access to our Objects' method ? (excepting get 
or is)
Is there a way to get around this ?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

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Re: [rules-users] Drools Flow: Find a Session ID to reload the JPA Stateful session

2010-04-02 Thread Mauricio Salatino
Exaclty.. Unit of work can be anything that you want. And that kind of
things are outside of the scope of the framework.
You can implement it in the way that you want. Looks like you already
resolve the problem. Create a table containing all that information and then
query it in the way that you like it. We do it in that way, but it always
depend of the applications that you are trying to develop. For example how
you decide if the Unit Of Work ID is a Long, String, an Embedded object, a
JCR NODE ID, etc. That's why it's out side the scope of drools flow.

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 not sure why it is a generic way to present a problem.

 I am just looking for an approach to find a Session_ID of the session
 that
 was suspended. Best approaches, approaches that other people use, suggested
 approach, etc..

 For example why would not the framework (Drools Flow) have something like:

 UNIT_OF_WORK_ID | SESSION_ID | PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID

 that can be used to know exactly what the SESSION_ID ( ..
 PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, etc ) by the business key.

 So I would be interested in hearing any approaches that are used out there
 in the real world.

 Thank you,
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Re: [rules-users] Drools objects' methods

2010-04-02 Thread Mauricio Salatino
you can use the eval() CE for execute methods and functions.
eval(myObject.myMethod());

This requiere that myMethod() returns a boolean value.
If not you can always compare things inside eval and return a boolean value

eval( myObject.myMethod()   5)

2010/4/2 Bertrand Grottier b_grott...@hotmail.com

  Hello,

 In the documentation, it is written (4.8.2.1.1):
 A Field constraint specifies a restriction to be used on a named field

 A bit further:
 A field is derived from an accessible method of the object. If your model
 objects follow the Java Bean pattern, then fields are exposed using getXXX
 or isXXX methods, where these methods take no arguments, and return
 something. Within patterns, fields can be accessed using the bean naming
 convention...

 Is this mean that we have no access to our Objects' method ? (excepting
 get or is)
 Is there a way to get around this ?

 Thank you in advance.

 Regards,

 Benoît

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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

Yes, but even without WS-HT, framework has WORKITEMINFO, with WORKITEMID...

It just seems so natural for a workflow (or how many buzzzy people call it a
BPM solution) to KNOW which elements of the flow are in the wait state,
without any custom built components.

Don't you think?
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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Salaboy
Yes nodeinstances is for that

- Ing. Mauricio Salatino -

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 Yes, but even without WS-HT, framework has WORKITEMINFO, with  
 WORKITEMID...

 It just seems so natural for a workflow (or how many buzzzy people  
 call it a
 BPM solution) to KNOW which elements of the flow are in the wait  
 state,
 without any custom built components.

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Re: [rules-users] Drools objects' methods

2010-04-02 Thread Greg Barton
Use an eval() statement.

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Subject: [rules-users] Drools  objects' methods
To: rules-users@lists.jboss.org
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Hello,

In the documentation, it is written (4.8.2.1.1):
A Field constraint specifies a restriction to be used on
 a
named field

A bit further:
A field is derived from an accessible method of the 
object.
  If your model
  objects follow the Java Bean pattern, then fields are exposed 
using
  getXXX or isXXX methods, where these methods take no
  arguments, and return something. Within patterns, fields can 
be
  accessed using the bean naming convention...

Is this mean that we have no access to our Objects' method ? (excepting get 
or is)
Is there a way to get around this ?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Benoît
  
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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

yes, but:

1. It is too low level to be a true clean / simple client API. Instead of
something as simple as:

process.findWorkInProgress()

developers need to know to:

a. cast the processInstance, 
b. get a hold of NodeInstances
c. iterate over them
d. filter out what nodes are in progress
e. query DB for the data associated with those nodes

2. There is no one view to all the wait nodes, because of the
sub-processes, so this solution gets even hairier when there are multiple
subflows, subflows within subflows, etc..

That is why it is rather odd that you think these low level APIs are enough. 

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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Mauricio Salatino
Good to see that you are agree with me at least in something..

about your other points:

1
a. As you may know, casting and the use of interfaces let us (in the java
world) provide support for different types of processes. So no matter which
type of processes we are handling this method will always return a
ProcessInstance. In your case you cast to RuleFlowProcessInstance, and
that's ok, but if you have another type of process instance you should use
another interface.
b. I'm not sure what you mean with this, but call a method to get node
instances sound pretty easy to be a developer task.
c. we, as developers, iterate stuff all the times
d. getNodeInstances only returns the wait state, not node in progress.
e. depends on the mechanism that you choose, as you can see the WSHT module
uses a client api to not do that kind of queries directly.

2.
Probably you got this feeling because you think about process like things
that you must continue. In drools flow this is not the common way to think
about processes. Because we consider that processes are smart enough to
continue them selves their executions. I see sub processes in the same way,
it don't think that it's a complication. If you see how WSHT works, you will
see that no matter which process is running (parentflow, subflow,
subsubflow,subsubsubflow) all the human task created will be in the same
human task list to be completed.

I think that these low level (for you) APIs are enough because it let us
implement a high level layer, like the one you want for each specific
implementation. The problem with high level layers is that you end up with
something that is not too flexible as the low level APIs.

Feel free to implement a high level APIs and create a new project that can
be used on top of drools flow.
Greetings!

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, tolitius webaka...@gmail.com wrote:


 yes, but:

 1. It is too low level to be a true clean / simple client API. Instead of
 something as simple as:

process.findWorkInProgress()

developers need to know to:

a. cast the processInstance,
b. get a hold of NodeInstances
c. iterate over them
d. filter out what nodes are in progress
e. query DB for the data associated with those nodes

 2. There is no one view to all the wait nodes, because of the
 sub-processes, so this solution gets even hairier when there are multiple
 subflows, subflows within subflows, etc..

 That is why it is rather odd that you think these low level APIs are
 enough.

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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Ed Staub

I'm facing similar requirements, I think.
In many cases the other systems that I'll be working with have no place to
stuff a WorkItem Id, etc.

I'm planning to implement a  http://www.eaipatterns.com/SmartProxy.html
Smart Proxy , which stores in a database a mapping from:
- a unique set of data in the request and the response
to
- the session-id/process-id/workitem-id necessary to resume.

When a response comes in, the table will be used for correlation.
An event monitor will clean out the table entries when a given process
terminates.

The mapping may be stored as rules - I'm not sure yet.

Thoughts?  Experience?
I'm a total drools-noob - this may make no sense.

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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Mauricio Salatino
Hi Ed,
Cool, are you planning to implement your own work Item?
What will be the main functionality of your work item?
Sound to complex to implement that pattern just to keep the relationship.
Did you see the WSHT module?

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 I'm facing similar requirements, I think.
 In many cases the other systems that I'll be working with have no place to
 stuff a WorkItem Id, etc.

 I'm planning to implement a  http://www.eaipatterns.com/SmartProxy.html
 Smart Proxy , which stores in a database a mapping from:
 - a unique set of data in the request and the response
 to
 - the session-id/process-id/workitem-id necessary to resume.

 When a response comes in, the table will be used for correlation.
 An event monitor will clean out the table entries when a given process
 terminates.

 The mapping may be stored as rules - I'm not sure yet.

 Thoughts?  Experience?
 I'm a total drools-noob - this may make no sense.

 Thanks,
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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Ed Staub

Salatino,

Thanks for your responses.

I don't see what's relevant in WSHT - but I wasn't very clear about the
problem I'm trying to solve.

We expect to be using Flow to glue together a lot of existing systems, with
existing async API's, largely transported over JMS.  They don't have a place
to hold onto a Drools-provided correlation ID - they have ad hoc correlation
ids constructable from common data in the request and response.  We will
need to map from these ad hoc ids to the workitem.

 Cool, are you planning to implement your own work Item?
I haven't worked out where/how to wire this in yet.
I was hoping someone might point me to this being on the shelf somewhere!

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[rules-users] Importing Fact model in Eclipse

2010-04-02 Thread Shailesh Hedaoo

Hi

  I have created a Drools project and trying to create a guided rule in Eclipse 
3.5 and Drools 5.0.x. 

I have my own domain objects in another java project to be used by Drools 
project.

I want to use the java domain model as the fact model in my Drools project. 

How is that done ? Do i have to go thru the web based guvnor first ? 

All I m planing to have is a simple java project which has java classes of my 
domain model of POJOs and in my Drools project i want to use them as fact 
model. How do i do it in eclipse IDE ?

 

Thanks

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Re: [rules-users] Importing Fact model in Eclipse

2010-04-02 Thread Ansgar Konermann

On 02.04.2010 22:48, Shailesh Hedaoo wrote:

Hi
  I have created a Drools project and trying to create a guided rule 
in Eclipse 3.5 and Drools 5.0.x.
I have my own domain objects in another java project to be used by 
Drools project.
I want to use the java domain model as the fact model in my Drools 
project.

How is that done ? Do i have to go thru the web based guvnor first ?
All I m planing to have is a simple java project which has java 
classes of my domain model of POJOs and in my Drools project i want to 
use them as fact model. How do i do it in eclipse IDE ?


Should suffice to add the fact model jar to the classpath of the project 
containing your rules source code. That's how we did it when still 
working with Eclipse (now switched to IDEA).


If you don't want to compile the jar beforehand, on the rules project's 
root folder, right-click build path - configure build path, select 
Projects tab, click Add, check your fact model project and confirm 
everything.


Kind regards

Ansgar
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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Mauricio Salatino
Anatoly,
I see you point too.
But you are comparing a clean and high level API the criterias APIs from
hibernate, that are also generic.
If you want to do with Hibernate a query that creates a relationship between
persons and documents, you need to include inside the criteria the person
and the document that you want to look for. You don't have something like
hibernate.getThePersonAndTheDocumentThatIWant();
//That's what I see when you ask me about high level apis to get all the
waiting work items.

That's why I think that you need to change the way you think about Drools
Flow. I know that you are learning but you don't follow my suggestions.
Providing us simple test cases and projects where we can look at and make
suggestions.
Now, do you see my point?

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:44 PM, tolitius webaka...@gmail.com wrote:


 good to get a full response instead of copy this / yes, you can do that /
 etc...

 actually, I am not sure what I am agreeing with you on :) And it is not
 about agreeing, it is about me getting Drools Flow approach, since the
 documentation is very high level.

 Where I would really throw forces to make it low-level, that would be
 documentation, but not a product APIs.

 That is a definite differences in opinions. Think about other good
 frameworks, like Spring and Hibernate for example.

 If I had to do 6 low level calls to get a reference to a bean in Spring, I
 would never even consider using it, would go for CDI
 http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=299 right away. (but no, it is as simple
 HIGH LEVEL as Autowire or implement a certain (Aware) interface)

 If I had to create 15 queries and write my high level APIs on top of the
 Hibernate's low level APIs to make them flexible enough, I would rather use
 iBatis, or just GORM (but no I can use a nice HIGH LEVEL Criteria API)

 The point is there should be a healthy balance between the framework and
 the
 client. Now, I am not saying Drools Flow does not have that balance, what I
 am saying help me learn Drools Flow in a way that I can use its full power.
 And I am SURE that there is a better way in Drools Flow to find all waiting
 workitems. Maybe not by a single HIGH LEVEL API call ( not YET :) ), but
 surely not through some low level NodeInstance hooks.

 And as far as Java World, Asgard
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgard_%28Stargate%29 World, and many other
 worlds, clean and simple is always stronger, than weakly-typed, convoluted
 and low-level.

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Re: [rules-users] creating .pkg from .drl

2010-04-02 Thread Esteban Aliverti
Hi Amit,
this is a simple snippet from KnowledgeAgentTest.java.

String rule1 = ;
rule1 += package org.drools.test\n;
 rule1 += global java.util.List list\n;
rule1 += rule rule1\n;
 rule1 += when\n;
rule1 += then\n;
rule1 += list.add( drools.getRule().getName() );\n;
 rule1 += end\n;

String rule2 = ;
 rule2 += package org.drools.test\n;
rule2 += global java.util.List list\n;
 rule2 += rule rule2\n;
rule2 += when\n;
rule2 += then\n;
 rule2 += list.add( drools.getRule().getName() );\n;
rule2 += end\n;

//Creates a builder and add the 2 rules
KnowledgeBuilder kbuilder = KnowledgeBuilderFactory
.newKnowledgeBuilder();
 kbuilder.add(ResourceFactory.newByteArrayResource(rule1.getBytes()),
ResourceType.DRL);
 kbuilder.add(ResourceFactory.newByteArrayResource(rule2.getBytes()),
ResourceType.DRL);
 if (kbuilder.hasErrors()) {
fail(kbuilder.getErrors().toString());
}

//get the generated package (change this if you have more
than one package)
KnowledgePackage pkg = (KnowledgePackage) kbuilder
 .getKnowledgePackages().iterator().next();

// writes the package to a file
FileOutputStream out = new
FileOutputStream(/tmp/myPackage.pkg);
try {
DroolsStreamUtils.streamOut(out, pkg);
 } finally {
out.close();
}

Best,


2010/4/2 Amit Kumar amitku...@gmail.com

 Hi Folks,

 I am trying to create a .pkg file (for probably faster loading) from a .drl
 file

 Does anybody has a code snippet which I can use. Am unable to find it in
 javadocs.

 Thanks
 Amit

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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

not sure where you are going with this, but ok:

public interface ProcessInstance extends  EventListener {

int STATE_PENDING   = 0;
int STATE_ACTIVE= 1;
int STATE_COMPLETED = 2;
int STATE_ABORTED   = 3;
int STATE_SUSPENDED = 4;//   

//
}

So does WorkItem:

public class WorkItemImpl implements WorkItem, Serializable {
 
private static final long serialVersionUID = 400L;

private long id;
private String name;

private int state = 0; //  

private MapString, Object parameters = new HashMapString,
Object();
private MapString, Object results = new HashMapString, Object();
private long processInstanceId;
 
// 
 }

And yes, it is framework concern from both angles.

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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Mauricio Salatino
Yes it's there:

public interface WorkItem {

int PENDING   = 0;
int ACTIVE= 1;
int COMPLETED = 2;
int ABORTED   = 3;

depending on your work item handler implementation you will set the state as
you wish.. notice that you can add more states if you need a complex life
cycle. That means that it's not fixed to one single state when it's active.
You can implement multiple phases of execution.


On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:24 PM, tolitius webaka...@gmail.com wrote:


 not sure where you are going with this, but ok:

public interface ProcessInstance extends  EventListener {

int STATE_PENDING   = 0;
int STATE_ACTIVE= 1;
int STATE_COMPLETED = 2;
int STATE_ABORTED   = 3;
int STATE_SUSPENDED = 4;//  

//
}

 So does WorkItem:

public class WorkItemImpl implements WorkItem, Serializable {

private static final long serialVersionUID = 400L;

private long id;
private String name;

private int state = 0; //  

private MapString, Object parameters = new HashMapString,
 Object();
private MapString, Object results = new HashMapString, Object();
private long processInstanceId;

// 
 }

 And yes, it is framework concern from both angles.

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Re: [rules-users] creating .pkg from .drl

2010-04-02 Thread Amit Kumar
Cool.. Thanks folks!

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ansgar Konermann 
ansgar.konerm...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On 03.04.2010 00:40, Amit Kumar wrote:
  Hi Folks,
 
  I am trying to create a .pkg file (for probably faster loading) from a
  .drl file
 
  Does anybody has a code snippet which I can use. Am unable to find it
  in javadocs.

 Hi,

 from what we figured out at work, they're just plain serialized
 knowledge packages (or rather, collections thereof). IIRC, this is also
 described somewhere in the docs.

 So all you need to do is:
 - create the knowledge packages in-memory using the normal
 KnowledgeBuilder api calls (loads of documentation available for this)
 - use java object serialization to write a CollectionKnowledgePackage
 into a file.

 Upon loading these packages, make sure all the classes used/imported in
 the *.drl files are available on the classpath, otherwise you probably
 won't be able to deserialize the packages.

 Kind regards

 Ansgar


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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread tolitius

my point exactly.  

state IS there in framework's ProcessInstance AND in framework's WorkItem,
hence it IS a framework concern [it is a framework DSL]. Therefore it needs
to be addressed by straightforward clean and simple APIs.

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Re: [rules-users] Resuming the Flow: SESSION_ID, PROCESS_INSTANCE_ID, WORKITEM_ID

2010-04-02 Thread Salaboy
Yes state is there. For your implementation you can create the high  
level API that you want, there's no problem with that right?

I see that we discuss about what the framework should do or not based  
on different perspectives. We can continue forever if you do not  
switch your perspective. The code is there and it allows you to build  
applications applying the mechanisms that work better for you. For  
what I know there is no plan to create an API like the one you  
mention. (honestly I don't think it worth it, from the project  
perspective)
Everything else that I can offer are suggestions to do a real  
implentation, but that will requiere as I mention before, knowledge  
about your particular domain.

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On Apr 2, 2010, at 23:58, tolitius webaka...@gmail.com wrote:


 my point exactly.

 state IS there in framework's ProcessInstance AND in framework's  
 WorkItem,
 hence it IS a framework concern [it is a framework DSL]. Therefore  
 it needs
 to be addressed by straightforward clean and simple APIs.

 /Anatoly
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[rules-users] Problem With DEFAULT_REFS Table Taking Up A Very Large Amount of Space

2010-04-02 Thread S. McKee
Hello,

I previously asked a question about programmatically creating rules and 
then uploading them to Guvnor ( 
http://n3.nabble.com/Question-About-Programmatically-Creating-Drools-Rules-Remotely-td452619.html
 
). I decided to go ahead with the idea proposed by david_nabble and 
upload the rules I created to Guvnor via webdav using sardine. 
Unfortunately I have run into a problem where the DEFAULT_REFS table in 
the database I am using has become incredibly large; over 27 gigabytes. 
Not only that, but the DEFAULT_REFS table consists of only 4 rows of 
LOBs. This size was hit after uploading approximately 30 000 - 40 000 
rules. If I examine the .brl, each rule is only about 1.1 kilobytes in 
size each, so I have only uploaded about 32-42 MB of rules.

Does anyone know what is going on here and/or what direction I could go 
in solving this issue?

Thank You,

Scott McKee
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