Re: [rust-dev] rust-dev will be shut down soon

The current discourse has not been linked because it's for compiler internals and language development, not general users. A second instance is being set up for regular user discussion. It will get linked from the home page. And both are available for anyone to register in.

Re: [rust-dev] Building in Local Git Repo?

I always build in-tree, and it's fine. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Info about Rust modules

http://doc.rust-lang.org/guide-crates.html is much more in-depth.___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Overflow when benchmarking

Rust is not interested in putting anything automatically on the heap. :) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] File Descriptors

It's not the wrong list, but usually StackOverflow works better. (Sorry I don't know more about file descriptors :/) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Rust jobs board?

There's an open issue on the repo officially provide the Rust logo Mozilla legal has been slow. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] type annotaion of mut

Because you need to make b mutable to change its value. Rust's variable bindings are immutable by default. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Bug in the guide?

Yup, that leading std:: in main shouldn't be there. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Place for discussions

I actually find mailing lists to have a perfectly serviceable UI, but I recognize that others don't. I'm just really an old man at heart... ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Older RFCs for discussion next week

I closed 117, so it shouldn't be on the docket anymore. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Artisan Assitant Launch: Subscription Confirmed

Sorry, all. I have a weekend project which has a mailchimp email signup on the home page, and apparently someone went and signed up rust-dev. What a weird coincidence. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org

Re: [rust-dev] moving out few odd libraries from the main tree

I like the idea of SemVer being in the language itself, personally. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] C++ to Rust - Is that about right?

You shouldn't return a BoxT unless you have to: box does placement new, so by not doing it yourself, you give them options: struct Point { x: int, y: int, } impl Point { fn bad_new() - BoxPoint { box Point { x: 1, y: 1 } } fn good_new() - Point { Point { x:

Re: [rust-dev] C++ to Rust - Is that about right?

Whoops, yes, it was just a typo. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] conflicting implementations for trait

You cannot. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

[rust-dev] Code Review: Guessing Game (help the new docs!)

Hey all, So! The new tutorial will be focused on building several small projects in Rust. This example is the first one: a classic 'guessing game.' This was one of the first programs I wrote when I first learned C. I'd like the feedback of the community before I actually start writing the guide.

Re: [rust-dev] On Copy = POD

I found all the clone()s in Rust unpleasant, it really put me off using ref counting. Excellent. ;) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] [ANN] Brooklyn.rs

For those of you coming today, my train has been delayed multiple times, so I will be a few minutes late. I'll be wearing a bright red Ruby shirt, because that's funny and also more noticeable. See you all soon! ___ Rust-dev mailing list

Re: [rust-dev] Rust's documentation is about to drastically improve

In case of trivial entities The problem with this is what's trivial to you isn't trivial to someone else. think about the amount of update this may make necessary in case Rust language syntax changes. Literally my job. ;) Luckily, the syntax has been pretty stable lately, and most changes

Re: [rust-dev] The 'rust' repo has moved to the 'rust-lang' organization on GitHub

Wonderful! ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Rust's documentation is about to drastically improve

Thanks everyone! :D Steve, let us know how we can help. I think the best thing that the community can do is go through and add examples in the API docs. I want to have 100% of the standard library having examples by 1.0, but it's last on my list. The reason is that they're nice, small chunks

Re: [rust-dev] Is there a Parsec equivalent in Rust?

It's not possible to directly write a Parsec port because we don't have HKT and therefore monads. Ragel is probably the best bet for now. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Porting a small DSP test from C++ to Rust: Comments and performance observations

Hey Kevin! Thanks so much for sharing! This is the right place, though the Reddit may be interested, too. I don't have a lot to say, but I _do_ have one or two things: Rust doesn't have prefix/postfix increment? Or, I just didn't find the right syntax of using it? It does not. x = x + 1.

Re: [rust-dev] how is Rust bootstrapped?

I have this pipe dream of compiling every Rust version ever and GPG signing them though heh. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] [ANN] Brooklyn.rs

I want to ask everyone who DOES make it what their preferred day would be, but I don't want to bias it towards the people who show up for the first one, so if you're interested, please let me know in this thread when's good for you. You can't make it easy for everyone, but I can hope...

Re: [rust-dev] how is Rust bootstrapped?

I like Go's rule, as it also should hopefully prevent accidental compatibility breakage. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Generic Database Bindings

There isn't no. If you want to build a binding, just do it! The only one I'm really aware of right now is https://github.com/sfackler/rust-postgres ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Generic Database Bindings

Like any open source, start throwing some code together and then tell us all about it! :) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Rust NYC Meetup

Ah! Great! Give me a few days, and I'll come up with something. :) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Rust NYC Meetup

Cool. Expect to hear more from me very soon. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

[rust-dev] Rust NYC Meetup

I remember there being a thread about this before, but my search-fu is weak. Is there a meetup in NYC yet? If not, it'll be just me at some random coffee shop every month to start. :) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org

Re: [rust-dev] GADT

We'd love to have more advanced type system features (I'm looking forward to HKT myself), but the focus right now (seems to be) is cutting out everything that needs to be cut before 1.0. We can add neat new things after. ___ Rust-dev mailing list

Re: [rust-dev] Passing arguments bu reference

one of the recent changes with box is that it does placement new. So generally, this is bad: fn foo(x: int) - Boxint { box (x + 1) } let y = foo(5); Because it forces your caller to use a Box. Instead... fn foo(x: int) - int { x + 1 } Because then your caller can choose: let y =

Re: [rust-dev] Confused about the precedence of 'as' operator

Yup. The manual should not be trusted. We'll fix it! ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] A few random questions

A few quick intro answers. Just the high level, not comprehensive. 1. Not everyone prefers overloaded functions, or default arguments. I know pcwalton has strong feelings about the first, so I'll leave him to that :) 2. Design decision. Basically, we take Erlang's philosophy: recovering from

Re: [rust-dev] Cross Platform Compatibility

Are you sure you have the exact same rustc on each machine? Even if it was from a different day, this could happen, because that change is _very_ recent. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Splitting The Tutorial/Guides

https://air.mozilla.org/rust-meetup-december-2013/ (that's basically a I agree.) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Brainfuck-compiler macro

3 ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Removal of sigils : ~T,~[T], BoxT, VecT

Yes, yes, and let x = box 5; let x = ~5; same thing. It's also more general: let x = box(GC) 5; and lets all of these pointers support placement new, which only ~ did previously: fn foo() - int { ... let x = box foo(); Now that the RFC has been accepted, patches can be

Re: [rust-dev] UTF-8 strings versus encoded ropes

Yes, this is what Ruby does, and yes, it causes a lot of tears. It's one of the biggest things that made the 1.8 - 1.9 transition difficult. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Cryptol, the language of cryptography

I think the bigger issue is that we really need someone who lives and breathes cryptography before we feel okay about shipping crypto code. Bugs with crypto don't often happen because of poorly implemented primitives: they happen when you combine those primitives in bad ways. Formal analysis

Re: [rust-dev] Rust by example

If you move a repo, GitHub will automatically redirect it. https://github.com/blog/1508-repository-redirects-are-here So just delete the new one, then transfer the old one. :magic: ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org

[rust-dev] r? Rust on exercism.io

Hey all, exercism.io is a site where you can try to solve short programming problems, and then get feedback on your solution from others. A few people have done some great work to get examples going in Rust, and now that 0.10 is out, we want to try to ship it. Would anyone mind checking out the

Re: [rust-dev] Removing ~foo

I can finally retire that bookmark to https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2013-April/003867.html ! ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Large Collection of rustc builds

Oh! Oh! This is really useful because we have a bootstrapped compiler. It's Monday, and I'm still on my first coffee, but couldn't this lead to every single build since the history of time being signed? - Steve ___ Rust-dev mailing list

Re: [rust-dev] Large Collection of rustc builds

Maybe. For anyone who doesn't get Tony's reference: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] 0.10 prerelease testing

I compiled from source just yesterday, but everything's been going swimmingly! I just have one comment on 0.10: It seems like println was removed from the prelude. While I can totally appreciate that most people will use println!, which is automatically use-able, it _is_ making my 'hello world'

[rust-dev] Compiling with no bounds checking for vectors?

Why isn't there a compiler flag like 'noboundscheck' which would disable all bounds checking for vectors? It would make it easier to have those language performance benchmarks (which people are bound to make with no bounds checking in C++ at least) be more apples-to-apples comparisons.

Re: [rust-dev] Anyone in NYC?

I am not currently but hope to be someday. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Doc sprint planning

I am going to be missing Thursday, unfortunately, but will be there Saturday. I wouldn't mind helping organize, but if it's happening Thursday, I won't be able to take part. No worries. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org

Re: [rust-dev] Doc sprint planning

Yes, I meant Sunday, sigh. Just keep me in the loop. :) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] About RFC: A 30 minute introduction to Rust

Oh, Patrick, I slightly mis-read what you said. Yes, that was the intention. I think official documentation shouldn't be directly trying to sell Rust against other languages, While I agree, comparing against things we already know is a powerful way to learn. I _do_ think that we shouldn't say

Re: [rust-dev] About RFC: A 30 minute introduction to Rust

When I first wrote this, there was a LARGE amount of discussion on HN. Here's one particular subthread that seems relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7052518 It includes a C++11 bit of code with uniq_pointer that crashes. ___ Rust-dev mailing

Re: [rust-dev] About RFC: A 30 minute introduction to Rust

Incidentally, to the extent this is about a proposed document comparing Rust's safety to C++ in general It's actually not: that's incidental. The idea is to communicate the core ideas of Rust in 30 minutes or less. To give the reader an idea if they'd like to pursue Rust further. Memory safety

Re: [rust-dev] history of rust?

I gave a talk at RuPy 2013 which chronicled some of the history of Rust. I am not 100% sure if audio or video is up, but here are some slides: http://steveklabnik.github.io/nobody_knows_rust/#/1 (hit the down arrow, this is the section about history specifically)

Re: [rust-dev] Alternative to Option types

Hey Eric, thanks a ton for this. I knew there was some relationship between HKT and monads, but hadn't taken the time to read into the literature. This explanation is exceedingly simple and clear. Thanks. (and now I _really_ want HKT for Rust, but I understand why it won't happen immediately.)

Re: [rust-dev] RFC: About the library stabilization process

I would also agree that yes, this is the wrong default. Things should default to Stability 1 unless otherwise marked. If you don't care about stability tracking, this seems completely reasonable to properly communicate your intentions. ___ Rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] issue numbers in commit messages

Why not make bors simply add the issue number in when it makes the actual merge commit? ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] let mut - let !

We've been steadily reducing the amount of punctuation in the language, because people tend not to like it. Plus, in this case, `mut` being longer than `!` or any other symbol is useful: mutability should be a teeny bit painful. ___ Rust-dev mailing list

Re: [rust-dev] Deprecating rustpkg

Vote of strong support here. I removed the rustpkg chapter from Rust for Rubyists for a reason. :/ ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] RFC: New Rust channel proposal

I don't think that `new` not returning a `Channel` is a big deal. Conceptually, you are, both ends 'make up' a channel. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

[rust-dev] RFC: A 30 minute introduction to Rust

Also posted to my blog: http://words.steveklabnik.com/a-30-minute-introduction-to-rust I've just kept this in Markdown even though the email is in plain text, should still be easy on the eyes. I recently gave a [proposal for Rust's

Re: [rust-dev] RFC: A 30 minute introduction to Rust

By giving good examples and analogies to foreign concepts along the way (books). To be clear, that was in the source presentation, it was not my invention. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Ideas of small projects or improvements

There is a tag on GitHub specifically for easy issues: https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues?labels=E-easymilestone=13state=open ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] RFC about std::option and std::result API

Would a ruby-style ok?/ok work to replace is_ok/ok? ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] recursive types

Yes, Oren is right here. You probably want to be using ~s rather than @s. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] writing file

Conditions don't require language support, IIRC, they're just a library. So even if they were totally removed, you could still use them. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Rust on Xen

There is now a dedicated OS IRC channel and wiki page: https://github.com/mozilla/rust/wiki/Operating-system-development signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org

Re: [rust-dev] Audio for Rust: A Friendly Introduction now available

I will be giving the talk at CodeMash. Here's my RuPy slides: http://steveklabnik.github.io/nobody_knows_rust/#/ ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] mutable vs. functional APIs

To be clear, '!' doesn't mean mutation, it means 'dangerous.' For example, some methods return nil on error, and the bang version throws an excption on error. Sometimes, mutation is dangerous, though... ;) ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org

Re: [rust-dev] Audio for Rust: A Friendly Introduction now available

I gave a talk at RuPy last week, and while they accepted my CodeMash proposal, I am giving it serious thought given the recent situation. Which I don't want to drag this list into. But I am probably doing it. I'll let everyone know once video is up.

Re: [rust-dev] Bug report HOWTO

Yup, if we put this in CONTRIBUTING, it'll show up when making a new issue. Not like anyone reads them, but increasing the chances for no cost seems good. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Nedit syntax highlighting for Rust

We actually keep these kinds of things in the source tree: https://github.com/mozilla/rust/tree/master/src/etc You should submit this as a PR! On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Steven Fuerst svfue...@gmail.com wrote: In case anyone is interested... here are some syntax highlighting regexes for

Re: [rust-dev] Rust for real: Learning Rust by example

Brian! You go to my alma mater. Examples are always helpful, I've been slowly chugging away at adding them myself. Extra help would be great! ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Mozilla using Go

The Rust team already has a page about Go[1]. The two languages, as you mention, aren't exactly competing. This thread has been okay so far, but I'd advise everyone to pay close attention to the Code of Conduct[2]: threads like this have a tendency to devolve quickly. Bashing other languages is

Re: [rust-dev] Broken tutorial code?

I've been slowly trying to fill out the headers to each of the modules, so at least you know what's in them all. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Parallelism and concurrency need different tools

Patrick's first comment is pretty good, as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5712758 ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] should '///' be a doc comment?

I'm for this. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] PSA: ~string is probably not what you want

Ruby is one example of a language where == is not symmetric. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] Some work on Rust coding standards

I want my coding standards to be blue! I think this is a damn fine guide. Strong conventions are one of the things I love most about Ruby, so I'd love to see strong conventions in Rust, too, no matter what they are. ___ Rust-dev mailing list

Re: [rust-dev] Rust Sudoku Performance

There's a thread called 'New Benchmark' that nobody replied to, but links to HN where most of the people replied. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] rust-0.6 compilation with system LLVM fails

Doesn't Rust still use custom patches to LLVM? Does your system LLVM have those patches? ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] I want to write more docs

There's a bug open on documenting core::io; I think that would be good. Cool. I did a little bit of work there, I'll keep going through it. I think since core and std are so pervasive, starting by documenting them (in the way you've already done very well for some modules with one comment

Re: [rust-dev] Generics?

Any time. Moving to new languages is hard, especially when you've been doing one for a long time. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] simple web server implementation

Oh, you're awesome. I've been meaning to give this a shot for a few weeks, but was waiting for 0.6 to get released. ___ Rust-dev mailing list Rust-dev@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev

Re: [rust-dev] JFYI: ANTLR grammar for Rust tokens

As always, trying to get Rust and associated projects some more exposure: http://thechangelog.com/rust-antlr-an-antlr-grammar-for-rust/ https://twitter.com/TheChangelog/status/316984377047392257 3 3 3 Neat project! ___ Rust-dev mailing list

Re: [rust-dev] Rust support in the Ragel State Machine Compiler

I tried to get you some publicity: http://thechangelog.com/a-rust-backend-for-ragel/ If anyone's projects have releases, let me know. Trying to get more attention for Rust via linking to new code all the time. :) ___ Rust-dev mailing list