[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
Hi, I just want to post to say thanks for all the excellent feedback on the question I asked earlier. I think it is all very valuable, even if some options aren't possible at present. Regarding a native Windows port, such a thing would be wonderful to have, but unfortunately it is *totally

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread boothby
Regarding Internet Explorer, the fact is it would be 1-2 day's of work to make the SAGE notebook reasonably usable from IE 7. Shift-enter would be replaced by a submit button and some of the CSS would have to be reworked, but otherwise most things would work. It hasn't happened yet,

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
On 8/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding Internet Explorer, the fact is it would be 1-2 day's of work to make the SAGE notebook reasonably usable from IE 7. Shift-enter would be replaced by a submit button and some of the CSS would have to be reworked, but

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread boothby
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, William Stein wrote: On 8/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding Internet Explorer, the fact is it would be 1-2 day's of work to make the SAGE notebook reasonably usable from IE 7. Shift-enter would be replaced by a submit button and some of the

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread kaimmello
I'm here just to say that for non-US users, the name of the program is not the simplest to found on the web. SAGE is a name with many different meanings and I'd suggest a more peculiar name that could let the program to be found instantly on the web. And I agree that a web site with many

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Ted Kosan
kaimmello wrote: I'm here just to say that for non-US users, the name of the program is not the simplest to found on the web. SAGE is a name with many different meanings and I'd suggest a more peculiar name that could let the program to be found instantly on the web. I very much agree with

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread boothby
Now that the SAGE acronym has been dropped, I would recommend changing the name to sagemath. This name matches the sagemath.org website, it helps explain what sage is, and search engines will not return unrelated sites if this name is used. We bring this up every few months, and I maintain

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
This is kinda off the wall: Mathematica, Maple, and Matlab don't have a lot of competition for their keywords on Google, Yahoo, or MSN. By offering a **very low bid** on each of the names, you could probably put a message about the SAGE open source project on each of their names. In addition,

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
Actually, to clarify and back up from the previous statement: I don't know what the level of competition is for those keywords. I thought it was low because Google didn't show a lot of ads, but that could be an artifact of automated programs that only show ads that are clicked on most frequently

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, William Stein wrote: Hi Sage-Devel, The SAGE downloads during the last week are as follows: Linux Binary 42 OS X Binary 42 Source 91 VMware (= Windows) 57 Total .. 232 The number of new downloads of SAGE per week have

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
- right now, there is a huge hype surrounding AJAX, Web 2.0, user created content and such. SAGE fits in there because of the SAGE notebook which is a good example of AJAX actually being useful. Use the hype, let the AJAX crazy dotcom world know about it: techcrunch.com, mashable.com,

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Tim Lahey wrote: On 8/8/07, Martin Albrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.) undergrads taking calculus classes or people who use a CAS from time to time only. If SAGE is to reach the 10.000 user mark it is probably this group which makes up the big numbers. Many

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 8, 3:59 am, Tim Lahey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I presented software I wrote to symbolically derive mass and stiffness matrices from first principles for finite element analysis at Maple's user conference in 2005. That's cool. I wrote similar stuff in Mathematica when I had to take

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: Does anybody have any good ideas about how to increase the number of people downloading SAGE? My hope is that this question will spark a relaxed but enthusiastic and positive open-ended brainstorming thread in which a lot of crazy ideas appear. I'm laying a lot of groundwork

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Tim Lahey
On 8/8/07, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's cool. I wrote similar stuff in Mathematica when I had to take finite element classes. I bet yours is a lot more sophisticated than mine. Is your work on the web? No, it isn't on the web at the moment, mainly because some of the code I

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Joel B. Mohler
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 18:22, William Stein wrote: The number of new downloads of SAGE per week have been roughly constant during the last 2-3 months. The growth of SAGE is definitely not what I hoped for during my talk at SAGE Days 4.Does anybody have any good ideas about how to

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread David Joyner
On 8/8/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding Internet Explorer, the fact is it would be 1-2 day's of work to make the SAGE notebook reasonably usable from IE 7. Shift-enter would be replaced by a submit button and

[sage-devel] pari precision setting

2007-08-08 Thread John Cremona
I am using the simon_two_descent() method for EllipticCurve(), and have some curves where the default pari precision is in sufficient, for example e=EllipticCurve([0,0,0,-10164,409444]); e.simon_two_descent() fails withe the (gp) run-time error *** bnfsunit: precision too low in get_arch.

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Hamptonio
Anyone who is an academic using SAGE should try to give a little talk on it to your department (unneccessary at UW of course). I did this and I generated a fair amount of interest from our grad students. The faculty weren't overwhelmed, they all wanted particular things that sage currently

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Joel B. Mohler
I've never used colinux, but why is vmware a preferable choice than colinux? I would think that it would be much easier to get something that felt like a native windows application with colinux. I also think that it makes more sense in the long term (that is, virtualization is the wave of

[sage-devel] new colloquium talk on SAGE

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
Hi, I just wrote a new colloquium-style talk on SAGE for CECM today: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/20070808-sfu/ (look for the pdf. The notebook.txt file also has the relevant SAGE notebook) -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http

[sage-devel] Re: new colloquium talk on SAGE

2007-08-08 Thread David Joyner
funding directed towards that? On 8/8/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just wrote a new colloquium-style talk on SAGE for CECM today: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/20070808-sfu/ (look for the pdf. The notebook.txt file also has the relevant SAGE notebook

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:17 PM, William Stein wrote: The suggestion to make a serious major push for good 3d graphics, is clearly difficult but totally doable. I think this would be the best investment of time at present for the greatest return. The lack of good integrated interactive 3d

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Bill Page
On 8/8/07, Joel B. Mohler wrote: I've never used colinux, but why is vmware a preferable choice than colinux? I would think that it would be much easier to get something that felt like a native windows application with colinux. I think both vmware and colinux do very clumsy things to the

[sage-devel] Fwd: [linbox-devel] Re: linbox det bug

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
David, FYI, the Linbox bug you and Gabe found has been fixed in svn Linbox, so it will be fixed in SAGE in the not-too-distant future. Thanks Pascal!! -- william -- Forwarded message -- From: Pascal Giorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 8, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: [linbox-devel]

[sage-devel] Re: pari precision setting

2007-08-08 Thread John Cremona
Thanks, Robert. I am well advanced with testing this now. I changed 3 files: 1. ~/sage-2.7/data/extcode/pari/simon/ellQ.gp where I changed one function main() to have an extra parameter 2. ~/sage-2.7/devel/sage-main/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/gp_simon.py which is the associated

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 8, 12:03 pm, Ted Kosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might even be possible to actually use Google analytics to track global Sage notebook usage. If this is implemented, could this please be restricted to sagemath.org? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to

[sage-devel] sage -clisp fails in sage-2.7.3

2007-08-08 Thread Bill Page
William, et al.; I downloaded sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux.tar.gz, untarred it and started sage successfully. But when I ask sage to start a clisp session, it fails with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux$ ./sage -clisp clisp:

[sage-devel] AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread David Joyner
Hi: The version at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/papers/oscas/oscas-ams-notices.pdf has been accepted by the editor for the November NOTICES Opinion column. Are there any further comments? We have a day or 2 before sending in the final version. - David Joyner

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Timothy Clemans
I think saying that Mathematica is the company that made that claim about needing to know about internals is incorrect since Wikipedia says that Mathematica is produced by Wolfram Research. On 8/8/07, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: The version at

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Mike Hansen
Minor fix on page 2: We probably will believe her, but she knows that she will be required to produce a proof if required. should probably be We probably will believe her, but she knows that she will be required to produce a proof if requested. --Mike On 8/8/07, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
On 8/8/07, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 8, 12:03 pm, Ted Kosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might even be possible to actually use Google analytics to track global Sage notebook usage. If this is implemented, could this please be restricted to sagemath.org? Yes, it

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
I have been resisting a mention of this, but I finally gave in: Do you think the second author is a bit awkward, especially right after mentioning a bunch of mathematical software? It is possible that readers could become confused. Ways to deal with this: 1. Use Your second author... or One of

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
Other minor English usage suggestions: (repairs: em dash, em dash spacing, and run-on sentence) various mathematical facts - no code is given, and the programs are proprietary software some of which only run on hardware many years out of date. - various mathematical facts-no code is given.

[sage-devel] Re: sage -clisp fails in sage-2.7.3

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
On 8/8/07, Bill Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William, et al.; I downloaded sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux.tar.gz, untarred it and started sage successfully. But when I ask sage to start a clisp session, it fails with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux$ ./sage