[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Sage download procedure

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 8:58 PM, Nick Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 22-Jan-08, at 6:00 PM, William Stein wrote: > > > > > On Jan 22, 2008 9:45 AM, Nick Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi everyone, I have no idea if this is true, or if it was auto- > >> generated and is spam,

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 4:51 PM, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 22, 2008, at 5:41 AM, mhampton wrote: > > > I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet > > makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely > > understand the architecture of what t

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Sage download procedure

2008-01-22 Thread Nick Alexander
On 22-Jan-08, at 6:00 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Jan 22, 2008 9:45 AM, Nick Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, I have no idea if this is true, or if it was auto- >> generated and is spam, or what, but some people here might care. >> > > I care. I just tried this and in

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: [sage-newbie] Re: Sage for MacOS 10.5 (PPC)

2008-01-22 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 23, 5:39 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 7:17 PM, mabshoff > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But in the end it boils down to this: Do people want universal > > binaries, considering the size tradoff? I do think so, but I hope this > > isn't like the liv

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: [sage-newbie] Re: Sage for MacOS 10.5 (PPC)

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 7:17 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But in the end it boils down to this: Do people want universal > binaries, considering the size tradoff? I do think so, but I hope this > isn't like the live-CD where everybody says that it is a good idea but > when push comes to sho

[sage-devel] Re: dynkin_diagram module

2008-01-22 Thread Mike Hansen
Hi Andrey, Some of that is code that is still under a bit of development so I did not expose it. In particular, I haven't thought in depth about the design for how all of the Lie theory stuff will go together. --Mike On Jan 22, 2008 4:51 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wh

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jan 22, 2008, at 5:41 AM, mhampton wrote: > I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet > makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely > understand the architecture of what this is supposed to do. The way I understand it, JASON is a simple format to se

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: [sage-newbie] Re: Sage for MacOS 10.5 (PPC)

2008-01-22 Thread mabshoff
Hi Justin, On Jan 23, 3:55 am, "Justin C. Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:15 PM, mabshoff wrote: > > > On Jan 23, 2:59 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Jan 22, 2008 1:48 AM, boyfarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > >> None of us know how t

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Nick Alexander
On 22-Jan-08, at 6:03 PM, Ted Kosan wrote: > > Justin wrote: > >> It's not true that testing GUIs is in any way impossible (I believe >> several companies make such products, and make a pretty good living >> at it). >> >> However, I don't think there is a freely-available way to do it, and >> in

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: [sage-newbie] Re: Sage for MacOS 10.5 (PPC)

2008-01-22 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:15 PM, mabshoff wrote: > On Jan 23, 2:59 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jan 22, 2008 1:48 AM, boyfarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] >> None of us know how to make one for a program as complicated as Sage >> (i.e., a 5 million line program that co

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] Re: Sage Quick Reference

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
> > On Jan 19, 9:51 pm, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I created a 1-page Quick Reference Guide for Sage (used last week in a > > 4-day segment of an undergrad course at Chapman University). It is > > available > > athttp://sage.math.washington.edu/home/jipsen/sageqref/sageqref.

[sage-devel] Re: generator inconsistencies in finite fields

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 3:46 AM, John Cremona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thoughts on this thread: > > For finite fields (or any other fields) the concept of additive > generator makes no sense -- only finite prime fields have one and it > is hardly a useful concept then since every nonzero element is

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: [sage-newbie] Re: Sage for MacOS 10.5 (PPC)

2008-01-22 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 23, 2:59 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 1:48 AM, boyfarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > Thanks for the reply. I don't mind building it from source. Just > > wanted to check that it would work before I tried. > > > One could contact H

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Sage download procedure

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 9:45 AM, Nick Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everyone, I have no idea if this is true, or if it was auto- > generated and is spam, or what, but some people here might care. > I care. I just tried this and indeed it reduced the size of the sage-vmware tarball by over

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Ted Kosan
Justin wrote: > It's not true that testing GUIs is in any way impossible (I believe > several companies make such products, and make a pretty good living > at it). > > However, I don't think there is a freely-available way to do it, and > in this aspect, your point is well-taken, and reinforces t

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] Re: Fwd: [sage-newbie] Re: Sage for MacOS 10.5 (PPC)

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 1:48 AM, boyfarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't mind building it from source. Just > wanted to check that it would work before I tried. > > One could contact HPC (http://hpc.sourceforge.net/) to provide binary > support for sage on the Ma

[sage-devel] Re: dynkin_diagram module

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 4:51 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why the module sage.combinat.dynkin_diagram is not listed on the > module index page http://sagemath.org/doc/html/ref/modindex.html ? Code in Sage is only listed in the "print" reference manual when it is sufficiently stab

[sage-devel] dynkin_diagram module

2008-01-22 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
Why the module sage.combinat.dynkin_diagram is not listed on the module index page http://sagemath.org/doc/html/ref/modindex.html ? Andrey --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send e

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.10.1.alpha0/1: notebook and jmol don't work for me

2008-01-22 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 22, 11:34 pm, Simon King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Sage team, > > in reply to myself, in the hope to clearify things: > > > After installing gnutls, building was successful. However, I was > > unable to run the notebook in the alpha-versions. > > I mean: saying "./sage -notebook",

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.9.1.txt file in sage-2.10

2008-01-22 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 23, 12:09 am, "Justin C. Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008, at 1:30 PM, William Stein wrote: > > > > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:20 AM, Kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Is there a good reason why the file 'sage-2.9.1.txt' > >> is at the top-level of sage-2.10?= > > > It'

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.9.1.txt file in sage-2.10

2008-01-22 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Jan 22, 2008, at 1:30 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:20 AM, Kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Is there a good reason why the file 'sage-2.9.1.txt' >> is at the top-level of sage-2.10?= > > It's a mistake. It's actually not in the current sage-2.10.tar > tarball in the to

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Jan 22, 2008, at 9:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet >>> makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely >>> understand the architecture of what this is supposed to do. >> >> Wouldn't a Java applet imply tha

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Jan 22, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Nick Alexander wrote: > On 22-Jan-08, at 9:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely understand the architecture of what this is supp

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Jan 22, 2008, at 5:54 AM, Martin Albrecht wrote: > >> I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet >> makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely >> understand the architecture of what this is supposed to do. > > Wouldn't a Java applet imply that the f

[sage-devel] Re: MPolynomialRing.__str__

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 1:57 PM, Nick Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd imagine one would do it the same was as doctests, (almost) always > > assigning to a variable and then spitting out the string if it is not > > None... This doesn't solve the issue printing things from within a > > function

[sage-devel] Re: interactive images using the html5 canvas element

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 11:02 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A while ago some of us were talking about ways to draw things in the web > browser. Apparently Firefox, Safari, and Opera already support using > the canvas element to draw images in a web browser. See > http://labs.mininova.

[sage-devel] Re: MPolynomialRing.__str__

2008-01-22 Thread Nick Alexander
On 21-Jan-08, at 10:21 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > > On Jan 20, 2008, at 11:13 PM, William Stein wrote: > >> On Jan 20, 2008 2:58 PM, Nick Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 20-Jan-08, at 2:47 PM, Simon King wrote: >>> Dear Nick On Jan 20, 8:24 pm, Ni

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.9.1.txt file in sage-2.10

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 10:20 AM, Kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a good reason why the file 'sage-2.9.1.txt' > is at the top-level of sage-2.10?= It's a mistake. It's actually not in the current sage-2.10.tar tarball in the top level if you just extract it. I wonder how it gets put in th

[sage-devel] Another notebook problem: server crash

2008-01-22 Thread bill.p
I've just taken a break from trying to debug the problem where notebook fails to respond to clicks on 'evaluate' to try out some bits of Sage that I'd not yet used: symbolic algebra. I had typed in a simple bit of code {{{ var('a'); var('b'); var('c') | }}} {{{ c = pi - a - b | }}} The first cell

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.10.alpha notebook problem

2008-01-22 Thread bill.p
I've been doing some more investigating this problem. William has reported it in Opera and I've just been testing using Internet Explorer (yuk). I started Wireshark (used to be called Ethereal) to monitor traffic between my rarely-used Windows box and my Linux laptop which is running the notebook

[sage-devel] Re: interactive images using the html5 canvas element

2008-01-22 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > Apparently (according to the HTML5 draft) eventually we will have a 3d > canvas in HTML. It seems like that will be really nice since then the > 3d drawing would presumably be done by the browser (i.e., fast). This technology looks like it has great potential :-) Ted --~--~

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > I propose the following: > > (1) Json support is made an optional package > (2) Once there are some actual interesting uses of it, then we >seriously consider making it a standard package. (This could >be a week from now, etc.) +1 Ted --~--~-~--~--

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Jan 22, 2008 5:41 AM, mhampton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree - an optional package makes more sense for the moment. The > spkg is less than a mb, fortunately, so adding it to the standard > packages eventually wouldn't inflate the total size that much. I propose the following: (1)

[sage-devel] Failed sage -upgrade to 2.10 on G4 PowerPC Mac OS X.4

2008-01-22 Thread kcrisman
It's easier for me to just download the new binary than to try to fix this, but for development purposes the following messages may be useful: sage: An error occurred while installing ntl-5.4.1.p10 Please email sage-devel http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel explaining the problem and send t

[sage-devel] interactive images using the html5 canvas element

2008-01-22 Thread Jason Grout
A while ago some of us were talking about ways to draw things in the web browser. Apparently Firefox, Safari, and Opera already support using the canvas element to draw images in a web browser. See http://labs.mininova.org/canvas/ for some examples or http://www.abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/canv

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread didier deshommes
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Nick Alexander wrote: > >>> I would like to establish some (roughly) like this: If a > >>> computation cannot be > >>> expressed from the command line (in pure Python) then it cannot be > >>> a standard > >>> part of Sage. E.g. if you cannot compute $sin(x)$ for some $x$ > >

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.10.1.alpha1 released

2008-01-22 Thread Jaap Spies
mabshoff wrote: > Hello folks, [...] > > The toybuchberger doctest currently fails spectacularly, but > aside from that all doctests should work. I am assuming that > Martin Albrecht will fix that one easily once he is able to > reproduce it. > To answer your question in IRC: yes it is reprodu

[sage-devel] Re: Request for review: Sage 2.10.1.alpha cycle

2008-01-22 Thread Jason Grout
Carl Witty wrote: > On Jan 21, 1:31 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > dortmund.de> wrote: >> On Jan 21, 5:44 pm, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> mabshoff wrote: >>> For now, we could have some custom queries that look for "patch" in the >>> title of an issue to somewhat narrow down the lis

[sage-devel] sage-2.9.1.txt file in sage-2.10

2008-01-22 Thread Kate
Is there a good reason why the file 'sage-2.9.1.txt' is at the top-level of sage-2.10? Kate --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visi

[sage-devel] Re: Request for review: Sage 2.10.1.alpha cycle

2008-01-22 Thread Carl Witty
On Jan 21, 1:31 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de> wrote: > On Jan 21, 5:44 pm, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> mabshoff wrote: > > For now, we could have some custom queries that look for "patch" in the > > title of an issue to somewhat narrow down the list, right? > > Anybody w

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread boothby
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Nick Alexander wrote: > > > On 22-Jan-08, at 9:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely understand the architecture of what this is

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Nick Alexander
On 22-Jan-08, at 9:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet >>> makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely >>> understand the architecture of what this is supposed to do. >> >> Wouldn't a Java applet imply that t

[sage-devel] Fwd: Sage download procedure

2008-01-22 Thread Nick Alexander
Hi everyone, I have no idea if this is true, or if it was auto- generated and is spam, or what, but some people here might care. Nick Begin forwarded message: > From: lou blaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: January 22, 2008 7:41:18 AM PST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Sage download procedu

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread boothby
>> I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet >> makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely >> understand the architecture of what this is supposed to do. > > Wouldn't a Java applet imply that the functionality it provides could only be > accessed via Sa

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.10.1.alpha1 released

2008-01-22 Thread Jaap Spies
mabshoff wrote: > Hello folks, [...] > > The toybuchberger doctest currently fails spectacularly, but > aside from that all doctests should work. I am assuming that > Martin Albrecht will fix that one easily once he is able to > reproduce it. > Yes toybuchberger failed and this one on Fedora 7:

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Martin Albrecht
> I think this could be an exciting way to get all the java applet > makers out there interested in sage, although I don't completely > understand the architecture of what this is supposed to do. Wouldn't a Java applet imply that the functionality it provides could only be accessed via Sage's we

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread mhampton
I agree - an optional package makes more sense for the moment. The spkg is less than a mb, fortunately, so adding it to the standard packages eventually wouldn't inflate the total size that much. There are several optional packages that I use a lot and I hope to eventually have in sage as standa

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread David Joyner
On Jan 22, 2008 5:05 AM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > William wrote: > > > > If further testing is successful, I would like to have simpleJSON > > > included in SAGE. What procedure do I need to follow in order to make > > > an official software addition request? > > > > (1) Convince

[sage-devel] Re: generator inconsistencies in finite fields

2008-01-22 Thread John Cremona
Thoughts on this thread: For finite fields (or any other fields) the concept of additive generator makes no sense -- only finite prime fields have one and it is hardly a useful concept then since every nonzero element is one. It's different if talking about generators (plural!) which I think is w

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2008-01-22 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > > If further testing is successful, I would like to have simpleJSON > > included in SAGE. What procedure do I need to follow in order to make > > an official software addition request? > > (1) Convince us it's a good idea. You basically just did that. > > (2) Create a trac tick

[sage-devel] Re: Online free sage notebook slowness

2008-01-22 Thread bill purvis
On Monday 21 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > That shouldn't be caused by anything William has described doing, but is a > bug. What operating system, and version of firefox are you using? > This is getting cross-threaded - see the thread: Sage 2.10.alpha notebook problem for the details

[sage-devel] Re: sage 2.10 experimental ebuild for Gentoo

2008-01-22 Thread Francois
Hi Williams, On Jan 22, 8:52 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 21, 2008 11:36 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 22, 8:04 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > dortmund.de> wrote: > > > > > On the funny side of things my regular copy fails the calculu

[sage-devel] Sage 2.10.1.alpha1 released

2008-01-22 Thread mabshoff
Hello folks, this is 2.10.1.alpha1. This is the fruit of two days merging quite a number of patches and I had planned to release this about 24 hours ago, but ran into some very odd segfault in one of the doctests. After applying another bunch of patches it went away. The interesting bit was that