[sage-devel] Re: Naming Conventions for Dirac Delta, Heaviside Theta and Unit Step

2009-06-24 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:57 AM, Maurizio wrote: I agree. We could do something like plotting all the deltas with a stem plot and then superimposing the rest of the plot Maurizio It might give the wrong impression. On 24 Giu, 04:21, David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu wrote: One way would be

[sage-devel] Re: A bug or mis-use ?

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Dr. David Kirkbydavid.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Mike Hansen wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Dr. David Kirkbydavid.kir...@onetel.net wrote: exp(-x^i).integral(x,0,1)  returns Traceback (click to the left for traceback) ... Is %i an integer? Ouch!

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:01:58AM -0400, David Roe wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:29:34AM +0200, Franco Saliola wrote: I'm also in favor of _test_X to avoid cluttering up the tab

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Nicolas M. Thierynicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:01:58AM -0400, David Roe wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:     On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:29:34AM +0200, Franco Saliola

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:49:20AM +0200, William Stein wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Nicolas M. Thierynicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:01:58AM -0400, David Roe wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Nicolas M. Thierynicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:49:20AM +0200, William Stein wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Nicolas M. Thierynicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:01:58AM -0400, David Roe wrote:

[sage-devel] Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Miller
This is the first release of the new cycle, and I've agreed to step in and co-chair the release with Tom. The source tarball and sage.math binary are available: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/release/sage-4.1.alpha0.tar

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread John Cremona
2009/6/24 Robert Miller rlmills...@gmail.com: 6196 mpmath support 5481 devel/doc/output/* should be filtered from the list of files to doctest 6276 atlas-3.8.3.p2 dumps core on Solaris 10 with gcc 4.4.0 4712 Make the doctest timeouts in Sage easily adjustable 5517 cvxopt-0.9.p7: build failure

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Robert Millerrlmills...@gmail.com wrote: This is the first release of the new cycle, and I've agreed to step in and co-chair the release with Tom. The source tarball and sage.math binary are available:

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread kcrisman
The source tarball and sage.math binary are available: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/release/sage-4.1.alpha0.tarhttp://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/release/sage-4.1.alpha0-s... If you are involved with one of them, you are encouraged to try applying the patches to

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Dr. David Kirkbydavid.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I think we should really make some effort to improve our page on Wikipedia. Comparing the Sage and Mathematica pages on Wikipedia shows the Mathematica one is much nicer. Would it not be sensible to put some

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread kcrisman
    * Solvers for systems of equations, ODEs, PDEs, DAEs, DDEs and recurrence relations no clue perhaps desolve and friends?     * Numeric and symbolic tools for discrete and continuous calculus yes.  I don't know what discrete calculus means. Probably this means difference

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread John Cremona
I think Sage does have at least one mathematical database (in fact more than one...) ! John 2009/6/24 kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com: * Solvers for systems of equations, ODEs, PDEs, DAEs, DDEs and recurrence relations no clue perhaps desolve and friends? * Numeric and symbolic

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Burcin Erocalbur...@erocal.org wrote: If there are no objections to the above definition of hybrid approach, the options for default printing are: 1) Mathematica style 2) Maple style 3) hybrid I still vote for 1, MMA style. To state the reasons again,

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Jason Grout
Burcin Erocal wrote: On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:42:46 -0300 Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, kcrismankcris...@gmail.com wrote: So the conclusion is that we will go with the Mathematica style notation. Does that also apply to Golam's

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Jason Grout
Robert Miller wrote: Other easy ways to save release managers time, resulting in more frequent releases and shorter wait times to get your code merged: * Please include the trac number in each commit message if possible. Surely this could be scripted? Just prepend a Trac #: to the

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Jason Groutjason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Robert Miller wrote: Other easy ways to save release managers time, resulting in more frequent releases and shorter wait times to get your code merged: * Please include the trac number in each commit message if

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Tom Boothby
Each of the following tickets were rejected by the merge scripts, but unfortunately the failures are not available at this time (this is due to human error on my part). If you are involved with one of them, you are encouraged to try applying the patches to 4.1.alpha0 and see why/ if they

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread John Cremona
2009/6/24 Robert Miller rlmills...@gmail.com: This is the first release of the new cycle, and I've agreed to step in and co-chair the release with Tom. The source tarball and sage.math binary are available: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/release/sage-4.1.alpha0.tar

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread Nick Alexander
Test(obj) returns something that provides all kinds of functionality and methods for testing said object. This can call certain _ methods on obj. +1 to this, -1 to lazy attributes, properties, etc. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email

[sage-devel] temp files being left in /tmp

2009-06-24 Thread John Cremona
I am accumulating a large number of small text files in /tmp, for example j...@host-57-44%cat /tmp/fileqibSwS cpu MHz : 2800.113 cpu MHz : 2800.113 cpu MHz : 2800.113 cpu MHz : 2800.113 and j...@host-57-44%cat filekswTqv make[2]: Entering directory

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jun 23, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I think we should really make some effort to improve our page on Wikipedia. I'll second this. Wikipedia is the highest source of traffic for Cython after google and people typing in cython.org directly (despite an only average

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Nick Alexander
+1 for the MMA style. I am +1 for mathematica style, but can someone explain why In[5]:= D[F[x+2*y], x, x] Out[5]= F''[x + 2 y] Why is x somehow considered special and y not? Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:52 AM, William Stein wrote: But, err, guys, are you telling *me* that you want an attribute here instead of a method? Or should this be: One new attribute in tab completion is fine. A dozen, not so much. I still like the approach below better though. I

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Robert Bradshawrober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:52 AM, William Stein wrote:     But, err, guys, are you telling *me* that you want an attribute here     instead of a method? Or should this be: One new attribute in tab completion

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jun 23, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: Indeed. The current trac naming convention really strongly encouraged you to do the right thing, which is to always open a trac ticket for whatever you're working on. Definitely. That also why I 100% support having the ticket

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread John Cremona
2009/6/24 Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com: +1 for the MMA style. I am +1 for mathematica style, but can someone explain why In[5]:= D[F[x+2*y], x, x] Out[5]= F''[x + 2 y] Why is x somehow considered special and y not? F is a function of one variable. F'' is its second

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Craig Citro
I used to include a commit message when I did not use MQs.  With MQs I make the patch using sage -hg export qtip blah.patch and do not get prompted for a commit message.  Thelast one I did then ended up with [mq]: intpts where the commit message would be, so perhaps that is the commit

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread Harald Schilly
On Jun 24, 6:16 pm, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: I'll second this. Wikipedia is the highest source of traffic for   Cython after google and people typing in cython.org directly (despite   an only average page)--I wouldn't be surprised if it accounts for a   significant

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Craig Citro
I think the following is a counterexample to The trac_ prefix does not bring any useful information. I still think it's not really, and it is just making the name longer, but I don't really care either. I don't see the use for it either, but it's not a huge issue for me. I want to weigh

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Nick Alexander
On 24-Jun-09, at 9:42 AM, John Cremona wrote: 2009/6/24 Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com: +1 for the MMA style. I am +1 for mathematica style, but can someone explain why In[5]:= D[F[x+2*y], x, x] Out[5]= F''[x + 2 y] Why is x somehow considered special and y not? F is a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I think we should really make some effort to improve our page on Wikipedia. OK, based on some input from others, and what I found with Google, I have revised the 'Features* section somewhat (and only the Features to date). The current page is here (this might include

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Tom Boothby
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Craig Citrocraigci...@gmail.com wrote: I think the following is a counterexample to The trac_ prefix does not bring any useful information. I still think it's not really, and it is just making the name longer, but I don't really care either. I don't see

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
2009/6/24 Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net: Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I think we should really make some effort to improve our page on Wikipedia. OK, based on some input from others, and what I found with Google, I have revised the 'Features* section somewhat (and only the Features

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Tom Boothby
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nick Alexanderncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: Put 'em in a folder, then -- trac/* will pick 'em up.  Having tickets start with a repo name would vastly improve the automerge experience. +1 to repo_num_desc.patch Can repo be optional and default to devel/sage?

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Tom Boothby
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Tom Boothbytomas.boot...@gmail.com wrote: Each of the following tickets were rejected by the merge scripts, but unfortunately the failures are not available at this time (this is due to human error on my part). If you are involved with one of them, you are

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Tom Boothby
6196 5991 6164 6200 6269 I'm generating reports on these right now and posting them to tickets as they come. Ah -- and 6269 almost certainly failed because I applied both patches on the ticket, not because the second patch was actually bad.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread kcrisman
A related page to look at would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_computer_algebra_systems Note that Mma is declared there to be ubiquitous while Maple only notes its libraries' sources are viewable. Our friends at Axiom even link from there to a video! - kcrisman

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread John Cremona
2009/6/24 Tom Boothby tomas.boot...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nick Alexanderncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: Put 'em in a folder, then -- trac/* will pick 'em up.  Having tickets start with a repo name would vastly improve the automerge experience. I put mine in a folder

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:52:51AM +0200, William Stein wrote: One thing I am not very keen on is that to get the list of available tests, one need to do:        sage: t = Test(foo)        sage: t.asstab But I guess I can live with that (in practice, I myself will be using

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Nicolas M. Thierynicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:52:51AM +0200, William Stein wrote: One thing I am not very keen on is that to get the list of available tests, one need to do:        sage: t = Test(foo)        sage:

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Miller
I think the following is a counterexample to The trac_ prefix does not bring any useful information. I still think it's not really, and it is just making the name longer, but I don't really care either. I don't see the use for it either, but it's not a huge issue for me. I should

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Miller
On Jun 24, 10:34 pm, Robert Miller rlmills...@gmail.com wrote: I really like having the ticket number first, it makes it easy to see   (given an ordered list of patches) what patches belong as part of a   single ticket. E.g. 6201-heegner.patch 6201-referee-fixes.patch ... +1

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Miller
Another point to make is a video I saw recently by the SVN guys, who claimed that the amount of discussion which centers around a decision is inversely proportional to how important it is. They related a story where the project nearly forked and many feelings were hurt over something ten

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Jaap Spies
Robert Miller wrote: I think the following is a counterexample to The trac_ prefix does not bring any useful information. I still think it's not really, and it is just making the name longer, but I don't really care either. I don't see the use for it either, but it's not a huge issue for me.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
kcrisman wrote: A related page to look at would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_computer_algebra_systems Note that Mma is declared there to be ubiquitous while Maple only notes its libraries' sources are viewable. Our friends at Axiom even link from there to a video! -

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Burcin Erocal
Hi Golam, On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:19 -0300 Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Burcin Erocalbur...@erocal.org wrote: If there are no objections to the above definition of hybrid approach, the options for default printing are: 1)

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Rob Beezer
On Jun 24, 5:04 am, Robert Miller rlmills...@gmail.com wrote:         sage -t  devel/sage-main/sage/graphs/graph.py # 25 doctests failed         sage -t  devel/sage-main/sage/databases/database.py # 20 doctests failed         sage -t  devel/sage-main/sage/geometry/polyhedra.py # 1 doctests

[sage-devel] Reviewer needed for patch to allow ATLAS to build on Solaris with Sun linker

2009-06-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
As reported before, ATLAS fails to build on Solaris if the Sun linker is used, since the flags in one of the makefiles are GNU-specific. The patch applies 'sed' a few times to substitute the GNU flags to the Sun flags: -shared == -G -soname == -h --whole-archive == -z allextract

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Robert Millerrlmills...@gmail.com wrote: This is the first release of the new cycle, and I've agreed to step in and co-chair the release with Tom. The source tarball and sage.math binary are available: SNIP Here are the tickets merged in Sage

[sage-devel] Re: #6343: Adds SageObject.check() generic testing framework

2009-06-24 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Nicolas M. Thierynicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:52:51AM +0200, William Stein wrote: One thing I am not very keen on is that to get the list of available tests, one need to do: sage: t = Test(foo)

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Miller wrote: This is the first release of the new cycle, and I've agreed to step in and co-chair the release with Tom. The source tarball and sage.math binary are available: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/release/sage-4.1.alpha0.tar

[sage-devel] Re: patch naming scheme on trac

2009-06-24 Thread Jason Grout
Robert Miller wrote: I think the following is a counterexample to The trac_ prefix does not bring any useful information. I still think it's not really, and it is just making the name longer, but I don't really care either. I don't see the use for it either, but it's not a huge issue for me.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on Wikipedia

2009-06-24 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: * Constrained and unconstrained local and global optimization Yes, in scipy. See http://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/optimize.html * Support for complex number, arbitrary precision and symbolic computation for all functions all functions? yeah

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Jason Groutjason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Robert Miller wrote: Other easy ways to save release managers time, resulting in more frequent releases and shorter wait times to get your code merged: * Please include the trac number in

[sage-devel] Re: Ports to FreeBSD and/or NetBSD

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jun 23, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: From the top README.txt --- NOT SUPPORTED: * FreeBSD * Arch Linux * Gentoo Linux * Microsoft Windows (via Visual Studio C++) * Microsoft Windows (via

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Jason Grout wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Jason Groutjason- s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Robert Miller wrote: Other easy ways to save release managers time, resulting in more frequent releases and shorter wait times to get your

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.1.alpha0

2009-06-24 Thread Tom Boothby
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Dr. David Kirkbydavid.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Robert Miller wrote: This is the first release of the new cycle, and I've agreed to step in and co-chair the release with Tom. The source tarball and sage.math binary are available: