[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: I think a bit over a year ago there was no SAGE64 flag. Then Michael Abshoff decided Hey, I'll port Sage to 64-bit OS X!.He then introduced a SAGE64 flag and used it specifically for the 64-bit OS X port.He then systematically went through *every* package and

[sage-devel] Re: The one remaining issue which stops Sage building on Solaris. What should we do?

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Dr. David Kirkby Dave If you have $50 spare in your grants, perhaps offer $50 prize to anyone that can find the *real* cause! That might drum up a bit more interest in solving a problem on a platform which most people do not use! I

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 6, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: William Stein wrote: I think a bit over a year ago there was no SAGE64 flag. Then Michael Abshoff decided Hey, I'll port Sage to 64-bit OS X!.He then introduced a SAGE64 flag and used it specifically for the 64-bit OS X port.

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Simon King
Hi! On Oct 6, 9:22 am, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: Even easier, it seems, would be to to add -m46 (or equivalent) to   CFLAGS directly in sage-env, rather than having the if [ $SAGE64 ...]   test in every spkg-install. This sounds reasonable to me. If I am not

[sage-devel] Re: IRC logs

2009-10-06 Thread Harald Schilly
On Oct 6, 4:14 am, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Is there a link to the IRC logs on sagemath.org? Logs are very new and the questions is, if their location is final ;) I also half-expected IRC to be one of the links next to the search box on the top. I only included the

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Simon King wrote: Hi! On Oct 6, 9:22 am, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: Even easier, it seems, would be to to add -m46 (or equivalent) to CFLAGS directly in sage-env, rather than having the if [ $SAGE64 ...] test in every spkg-install. This sounds reasonable to

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:12 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Simon King wrote: Hi! On Oct 6, 9:22 am, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: Even easier, it seems, would be to to add -m46 (or equivalent) to CFLAGS directly in sage-env, rather than having the if [ $SAGE64 ...] test

[sage-devel] Re: IRC logs

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Harald Schilly wrote: I only included the most useful and often visited pages, also, until recently it pointed to the #sage-support channel where support was rather bad and nobody there. Do you think it's better now after redirecting all support to #sage-devel? H One thing I believe

[sage-devel] Re: IRC logs

2009-10-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Harald Schilly wrote: I only included the most useful and often visited pages, also, until recently it pointed to the #sage-support channel where support was rather bad and nobody there. Do you think it's better now after redirecting all

[sage-devel] Re: IRC logs

2009-10-06 Thread Harald Schilly
On Oct 6, 12:23 pm, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: One way is to compare the postings for *support* issues to sage-support... not postings, IRC channel! #sage-support (# implies irc channel) is quasi dead and you only get answers if you are in #sage-devel. Anyways, there is

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:12 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Hence it's probably safer to have each spkg-install start with CFLAGS=$SAGE64_CFLAG and add others as needed. This would not be an issue if someone write ./configure CFLAGS=$CFLAGS -foobar as the environment

[sage-devel] Re: IRC logs

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: We're talking about the IRC channels here, not the mailing lists, which should certainly stay separate. Currently, there's rarely anyone logged into #sage-support, so it's not near as helpful as #sage-devel (where some people do hang out). - Robert Oops, I

[sage-devel] I created a Trac Ticket to add HP-UX support.

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
With Winter approaching, I was looking for a way to heat my garage somewhat to stop the water freezing. (There's a small room in the garage, which has water) I thought running my HP C3600 HP-UX workstation would make a good heater. In fact the machine is throwing out very little heat - far

[sage-devel] Re: DiGraph methods predecessors and successors

2009-10-06 Thread Nick Alexander
I have no clue how to write what you are describing. Graph.neighbors would be a subobject, does that mean an independent class ? Wouldn't this slow down the whole Graph class, as these functions are among the most used ? Here I feel that I do not know Python enough to help.. :-)

[sage-devel] Re: DiGraph methods predecessors and successors

2009-10-06 Thread Jason Grout
Rob Beezer wrote: On Oct 3, 2:47 am, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: DiGraph.out_neighbors() and DiGraph.in_neighbors() would be much easier to find and more natural... I'd suggest neighbors_in() neighbors_out() neighbors() to make tab completion easier and to group

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.netwrote: Simon King wrote: Hi! On Oct 6, 9:22 am, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: Even easier, it seems, would be to to add -m46 (or equivalent) to CFLAGS directly in sage-env, rather than

[sage-devel] Re: Sage trac workflow

2009-10-06 Thread Jason Grout
Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Oct 1, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Jason Grout wrote: Robert Bradshaw wrote: I think process rather than ownership centric is a good move. Certainly better than what we have. Is there a merged transition from positive review to closed? I was imagining that the release

[sage-devel] linear.py...

2009-10-06 Thread Florent Hivert
Dear All, Here is the full content of the file linear.py... I particularly like the second comment (2006-12) from William :-). I was just wondering if there is a reason to keep this file other than anyone didi take care of removing it... Cheers, Florent Linear Groups AUTHORS: -

[sage-devel] implicit_diff

2009-10-06 Thread john_perry_usm
Hi, From what I can tell, Sage lacks an explicit function to compute implicit derivatives, akin say to Maple's implicit_diff command. See this (really) old thread: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/f374f76bb3cd0361 Is this still the current situation? I've

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: Also, the suggestion(s) to put the -m64 stuff in sage-env make a huge amount of sense to me. The more that is factored out and less redundant in the spkg's the better. In fact, that's a good general principle in coding. OK, so what should we factor out? (I'll use

[sage-devel] Re: Sage trac workflow

2009-10-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 6, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Jason Grout wrote: Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Oct 1, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Jason Grout wrote: Robert Bradshaw wrote: I think process rather than ownership centric is a good move. Certainly better than what we have. Is there a merged transition from positive

[sage-devel] bug L1_vanishes ::: OS X 10.6

2009-10-06 Thread Enrique Gonzalez Jimenez
Hi! The following output in a MacPro with Snow Leopard (OS X 10.6): luna:Oct09 enrique$ /Applications/sage/sage -- | Sage Version 4.1.1, Release Date: 2009-08-14 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-nt] bug L1_vanishes ::: OS X 10.6

2009-10-06 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Enrique, On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Enrique Gonzalez Jimenez enrique.gonzalez.jime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! The following output in a MacPro with Snow Leopard (OS X 10.6): luna:Oct09 enrique$ /Applications/sage/sage

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-nt] bug L1_vanishes ::: OS X 10.6

2009-10-06 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Enrique Gonzalez Jimenez enrique.gonzalez.jime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! The following output in a MacPro with Snow Leopard (OS X 10.6): luna:Oct09 enrique$ /Applications/sage/sage -- | Sage

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.netwrote: William Stein wrote: Also, the suggestion(s) to put the -m64 stuff in sage-env make a huge amount of sense to me. The more that is factored out and less redundant in the spkg's the better. In fact, that's a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage trac workflow

2009-10-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 6, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Jason Grout wrote: Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Oct 1, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Jason Grout wrote: Robert Bradshaw wrote: I think process rather than ownership centric is a good move. Certainly better than what we have. Is there a merged transition from positive

[sage-devel] new trac workflow implemented

2009-10-06 Thread Jason Grout
We just finished putting the new workflow on trac. From now on, instead of declaring the status of a ticket using [with patch, needs review] and other such annotations on the title, please select the appropriate status at the bottom of the ticket. For a typical ticket, you'll be able to

[sage-devel] Re: Sage trac workflow

2009-10-06 Thread Jason Grout
Robert Bradshaw wrote: I still think the issue field should be a select menu (to make searching easier). I agree (at least, making it a set of checkboxes, anyway---a menu only allows one selection, but surely we'd like to specify several areas in which the ticket needs work). I'm just

[sage-devel] Re: new trac workflow implemented

2009-10-06 Thread Harald Schilly
On 6 Okt., 22:15, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Please reply with any comments. only organisatorial: trac also has a wiki system, it would be good to actually use it for information like this! my proposal: go to http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/wiki/guidelines and create

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: This code below *should* have been in sage-env, not every single spkg-install. If that had been the case, I doubt you would be so annoyed by it, since you could trivially just delete the Darwin part: if [ `uname` = Darwin -a $SAGE64=yes]

[sage-devel] Re: implicit_diff

2009-10-06 Thread David Joyner
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM, john_perry_usm john.pe...@usm.edu wrote: Hi, From what I can tell, Sage lacks an explicit function to compute implicit derivatives, akin say to Maple's implicit_diff command. See this (really) old thread:    

[sage-devel] Re: DiGraph methods predecessors and successors

2009-10-06 Thread Tom Boothby
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: That's probably for the best -- it was a pretty bad idea, and any implementation that one comes up with is probably going to be terrible in one way or another.  Don't do it. I (and you?) did something similar for

[sage-devel] Re: DiGraph methods predecessors and successors

2009-10-06 Thread Robert Miller
However, Robert Miller has been notably silent on this topic.  We should try to get him to weigh in before making any sweeping decisions, since he's (at the very least) the most familiar with the code. I have spent months trying to make function calls just like, e.g. G.predecessors(3), as

[sage-devel] Re: DiGraph methods predecessors and successors

2009-10-06 Thread Nick Alexander
As far as it being *possible* to split up graph.py... It's a ten minute job, but nobody's done it. You could split it in three right away by having generic_graph.py, graph.py and digraph.py. +1 Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email

[sage-devel] Re: DiGraph methods predecessors and successors

2009-10-06 Thread Jason Grout
Robert Miller wrote: However, Robert Miller has been notably silent on this topic. We should try to get him to weigh in before making any sweeping decisions, since he's (at the very least) the most familiar with the code. I have spent months trying to make function calls just like, e.g.

[sage-devel] Re: Most packages in sage not respecting SAGE64.

2009-10-06 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 at 03:23AM -0700, Robert Bradshaw wrote: Is there not a way to invoke a bash script in such a way that it can't change the invoking environment? You sound like you want the `env' command: env FOO=bar command args runs command args with the variable $FOO set to bar.

[sage-devel] Re: I created a Trac Ticket to add HP-UX support.

2009-10-06 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 at 03:25PM +0100, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: With Winter approaching, I was looking for a way to heat my garage somewhat to stop the water freezing. (There's a small room in the garage, which has water) I thought running my HP C3600 HP-UX workstation would make a good

[sage-devel] Re: canvas3d_lib.js + Pre3d does shaded surfaces and works on iPhone, IE

2009-10-06 Thread William Cauchois
Thank you for your excellent work on canvas3d! I never imagined canvas3d finding a place on smartphones, but this is really exciting. Maybe someday Sage could be an iPhone app! We should figure out how to incorporate this code into Sage. Is is legal for us to use a modified version of Pre3d?

[sage-devel] Sage Days: MSRI

2009-10-06 Thread William Stein
Hi, MSRI has decided to generously fund and host a 2-week graduate student summer Sage Days workshop on some area of number theory this coming summer: June 28 - July 9, 2010. So if you're a grad student at an MSRI sponsoring institution (there are many such) and are interested in attending, be