[sage-combinat-devel] Re: Sage grant

2014-10-29 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-10-28, Anne Schilling a...@math.ucdavis.edu wrote: Dear All! Dan Bump, Ben Salisbury, Mark Shimozono and I are planning to apply for an NSF grant for Sage (to fund Sage Days and other Sage related activities). We will mostly focus on topics in combinatorics/algebra/ representation

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: Sage grant

2014-10-29 Thread Andrew
Hi Anne, I agree with Dima in that it would be great to have some of the basic ring theory available in improved. There are some basic deficiencies with (Laurent) polynomial rings, especially in more than one variable and it would great if all of the problems with quite basic rings could be

[sage-devel] SPKG Maintainers??

2014-10-29 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
Hello, all SPKG.txt files list SPKG Maintainers. I never quite understood the reason for this. Mostly, this seems to have been added once when creating the SPKG and indeed many maintainers have long left Sage. Since these sections doesn't seem to have a purpose, can we just remove those?

[sage-devel] Re: SPKG Maintainers??

2014-10-29 Thread Volker Braun
Agree, if you want to know who wrote what then git blame is much more useful than SPKG Maintainers. On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:24:14 AM UTC, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: Hello, all SPKG.txt files list SPKG Maintainers. I never quite understood the reason for this. Mostly, this seems to

Re: [sage-devel] SPKG Maintainers??

2014-10-29 Thread Francois Bissey
+1 On 29/10/2014, at 21:24, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: Hello, all SPKG.txt files list SPKG Maintainers. I never quite understood the reason for this. Mostly, this seems to have been added once when creating the SPKG and indeed many maintainers have long left Sage.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-29 Thread Volker Braun
This is still blocking the next beta release.. http://trac.sagemath.org/query?keywords=~yosemiteorder=priority On Friday, October 24, 2014 2:39:45 PM UTC+1, Volker Braun wrote: I have a working Sage on OSX 10.10. I suggest to release that shortly, in case anybody else made the mistake of

Re: [sage-devel] SPKG Maintainers??

2014-10-29 Thread Clemens Heuberger
On 2014-10-29 09:32, Francois Bissey wrote: +1 On 29/10/2014, at 21:24, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: Hello, all SPKG.txt files list SPKG Maintainers. I never quite understood the reason for this. Mostly, this seems to have been added once when creating the SPKG and indeed

Re: [sage-devel] SPKG Maintainers??

2014-10-29 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
I agree let's get rid of this. I've updated a bunch of packages but did not feel like filling this field with my name as I couldn't promise I'll keep on maintaining the packages. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from

[sage-devel] Re: Can We Trust Computer Algebra Systems?

2014-10-29 Thread Emmanuel Charpentier
I herebey nominate this flame for the Quote of the Year Award. More seriously : rjf is probably right in stating that a mathematical error is more likely to be detected by mathematicians rather than results-oriented people : in most *practical* cases, an approximation will not be practically

Re: [sage-devel] Can We Trust Computer Algebra Systems?

2014-10-29 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2014-10-24 18:09, Jakob Kroeker wrote: I suggest Sage to pay QA staff for actively hunting bugs. With which money? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[sage-devel] Software is fundamental to research - show your support!

2014-10-29 Thread Alexander Konovalov
Dear all, I hope you may be interested in the following information: The Software Sustainability Institute ( http://www.software.ac.uk/ ), of which I am a Fellow, had recently initiated the petition to show that software is fundamental to research: research software should be treated as

Re: [sage-devel] Software is fundamental to research - show your support!

2014-10-29 Thread John Cremona
By coincidence I recceived your email a few minutes after reading this: https://www.researchprofessional.com/0/rr/news/uk/views-of-the-uk/2014/10/Speak-up-for-software.html which people may also find interesting. John On 29 October 2014 10:31, Alexander Konovalov alexander.konova...@gmail.com

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-29 Thread Samuel Lelievre
Hi, Under OS X 10.10 Yosemite, with then without homebrew's gcc 4.9.1, I tried and failed to build Sage. 1. With homebrew's gcc 4.9.1 installed. Starting from Sage 6.4.beta6 I merged #17176 u/vbraun/gdb_on_yosemite #17169 u/vbraun/upgrade_to_gcc_4_9_1 #17204

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-29 Thread Samuel Lelievre
Sorry, the last 6 lines in my last post are there twice, please ignore the repetition. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: determinant calculation, was: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians [...]

2014-10-29 Thread Jason Grout
On 10/28/14, 15:53, Robert Dodier wrote: On 2014-10-25, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: http://www.ams.org/notices/201410/rnoti-p1249.pdf P.S. It would be interesting to see if Sage can do the calculation they identified as buggy in mathematica. That would make for a cool

[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-29 Thread parisse
Just curious: what is the algorithm used by sage here? I have tried Bareiss, modular and p-adic with giac, and Bareiss seems the fastest: 0.02s on my Mac, vs about 1s for (proven) modular/p-adic. sage 6.3 returns the answer in 0.12s on my computer, while Maxima takes 15s. -- You received this

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-29 Thread kcrisman
Maybe the next beta should not be blocked by this? It's only final releases that have blockers, I guess... unless you mean it's because it doesn't work on your laptop, but I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that sage.math is still the official release machine. See also

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-29 Thread Volker Braun
On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:45:15 PM UTC, kcrisman wrote: See also http://wiki.sagemath.org/SupportedPlatforms which I minimally updated with respect to this just now, but which probably needs some more significant updating as I think we may not have all the Roman-named machines

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-29 Thread Volker Braun
Gcc picks up parts of your homebrew install, you must at least rename /usr/local before you can build anything with homebrew installed there. On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:57:19 AM UTC, Samuel Lelievre wrote: Under OS X 10.10 Yosemite, with then without homebrew's gcc 4.9.1, I tried and

[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-29 Thread Harald Schilly
On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:25:08 PM UTC+1, parisse wrote: Just curious: what is the algorithm used by sage here? I have tried Bareiss, modular and p-adic with giac, and Bareiss seems the fastest: 0.02s on my Mac, vs about 1s for (proven) modular/p-adic. sage 6.3 returns the answer

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-29 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Harald Schilly harald.schi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:25:08 PM UTC+1, parisse wrote: Just curious: what is the algorithm used by sage here? I have tried Bareiss, modular and p-adic with giac, and Bareiss seems the fastest: 0.02s on

[sage-devel] Re: Please review ipython notebook

2014-10-29 Thread Matthias Bussonnier
Ok, so probably a little late (seem to be closed), and I'm supper not used to track, so I'll comment here. Looking at code in http://git.sagemath.org/sage.git/commit/?id=2fc399e25960514a3164080f800d867696480c49 TEMPLATE_PATH could technically be a list of path, as IPython uses Jinja

Re: [sage-devel] Can We Trust Computer Algebra Systems?

2014-10-29 Thread Jakob Kroeker
With which money? Funding money. If that is not allowed formally, convince funders. In fact, in particular cases active testing was already done by some Sage developers, which (I do not know this) probably were not explicitly paid for that task. There is money for travel, why not for QA?

Re: [sage-devel] Can We Trust Computer Algebra Systems?

2014-10-29 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Jakob Kroeker kroe...@uni-math.gwdg.de wrote: With which money? Funding money. If that is not allowed formally, convince funders. In fact, in particular cases active testing was already done by some Sage developers, which (I do not know this) probably were

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-29 Thread parisse
The p-adic algorithm is indeed very well known (and implemented in giac). But my point is that Bareiss is faster here (the matrix has huge coefficients but is small), even if you don't care to prove that the determinant is correct once you have (probably) found the last invariant factor and

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Poset/lattice, join and join_matrix

2014-10-29 Thread Samuel Lelievre
By coincidence I just found that the function GCD_list in sage.rings.integer was coded to return one for an empty list. Fix (needs review!) at http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17257 Samuel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To

[sage-devel] Re: Photomath

2014-10-29 Thread Benjamin Frazier
Hey...that would be great to add this to Sage...Personally, I think a lot better combination would be Sage + cymath.com http://www.cymath.com/. Have you used this site? The site does a fantastic job of explaining how to solve problems step by step. On Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:00:52 PM

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-29 Thread Dmitrii Pasechnik
On 2014-10-29, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: --=_Part_5637_1547295187.1414591060718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:45:15 PM UTC, kcrisman wrote: See also http://wiki.sagemath.org/SupportedPlatforms which I minimally updated with

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-29 Thread Volker Braun
I can't even test tickets on OSX without the gcc update, because our only buildbot is running on 10.10. IMHO the only thing that CAN wait is beautification of the scripts or repacking the gcc tarball to save some disk space... On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26:28 PM UTC, Dima Pasechnik

[sage-devel] Re: Sage grant

2014-10-29 Thread Andrew
Hi Anne, I agree with Dima in that it would be great to have some of the basic ring theory available in improved. There are some basic deficiencies with (Laurent) polynomial rings, especially in more than one variable and it would great if all of the problems with quite basic rings could be