Re: [sage-devel] Re: [Yet again] Sage's R vs system's R

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Erik Bray wrote: > I think almost any dependency that Sage-the-Python-package can work > without should be considered "optional" insofar as installing Sage is > concerned. I think it's fine for it to be a stadard part of >

[sage-devel] Re: possibly controversial question: "Can I create commercial software using SageMath?"

On Saturday, August 20, 2016, wrote: > What is the name of the company you're referring to? > > > https://Cloud.sagemath.com > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 4:15:56 PM UTC-5, William wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:15 AM,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: possibly controversial question: "Can I create commercial software using SageMath?"

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:15 AM, wrote: > I will add this: I'm a retired developer with 35+ years of writing > commercial software, and I will gladly give my time, effort, and expertise > to open source software so that enthusiasts, students, amateurs, teachers, > and many

[sage-devel] daily WTF?

At Sage Days a new developer we're onboarding decided to look at some code in Sage and ran into this: if sum([G.is_directed(), H.is_directed()]) == 1: raise ValueError("One graph can not be directed while the other is not.") This is line 551 of src/sage/graphs/generic_graph_pyx.pyx:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: possibly controversial question: "Can I create commercial software using SageMath?"

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Robert Dodier <robert.dod...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2016-08-17, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If you write a program that genuinely uses the Sage library in a >> nontrivial way, then that program is a derived work of

[sage-devel] possibly controversial question: "Can I create commercial software using SageMath?"

http://ask.sagemath.org/question/34442/can-i-create-commercial-software-using-sagemath I put: "ANSWER: It depends on what you mean by "commercial software". ONE: If by "commercial software" you mean "closed source", then the answer is no, you can't write and publicly distribute such software

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Should @experimental be used on a completely new module in Sage

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote: > On 2016-08-15 20:25, William Stein wrote: >> >> It would be more standard to have an >> explicit library import, which -- on import -- would print out >> something about i

Re: [sage-devel] Should @experimental be used on a completely new module in Sage

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but it then seems to me that you generally > agree that it makes sense to accept a module into Sage which is somehow > marked as (temporarily) unstable? > Yes, it does address a very real issue. However I differ now in my opinion about how best to implement this...

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Should @experimental be used on a completely new module in Sage

t; > On the thread > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sage-devel/LXWs6KOw0Lk, William > Stein wrote: > --- > I think this is a really good idea. I'm surprised we didn't > explicitly think about it when deciding on our deprecation policy in > the first place. > > I'm def

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Should @experimental be used on a completely new module in Sage

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 5:43 AM, leif wrote: > What Sage IMHO really lacks is a true development (vs. stable) branch, > along with different releases (for "developers" as opposed to "ordinary" > users),[...] This is mostly due to lack of people resources relative to the

Re: [sage-devel] patchbot server refuses to connect

OK, leaving it as -- not rebooting. On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Frédéric Chapoton wrote: > Please do not reboot. We are currently doing an rsync for the database, > and we decided to turn the server off for a moment. > > Thierry Monteil is doing the job. Maybe he can

Re: [sage-devel] increasing verbose level for sub-routines

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016, Volker Braun wrote: > The only good way is to rip out the "verbose" thing and replace it with > the Python logging module. Then its easy to have different loggers for your > code and for the flint interface, and make them log in different levels

Re: [sage-devel] patchbot server refuses to connect

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Ralf Stephan wrote: > It is pingable however. I can try to reboot the computer again, maybe. As before, I'm not even sure which computer it's hosted on, and frankly I don't even want to touch it unless somebody will very clearly volunteer to

[sage-devel] Mathematica 11

Some comments about SageMath at this discussion about Mathematica 11: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12249157 -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[sage-devel] doc.sagemath.org gone from google

I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g., https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=chrome..69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8 and they now **all**

[sage-devel] Re: trac "diff" button

On Saturday, August 6, 2016, Volker Braun wrote: > On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 5:46:34 PM UTC+2, William wrote: >> >> Thanks -- in this case that is perfect, and often that will be all >> that is needed. Is there any chance we could add a link to provide >> =develop,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac "diff" button

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > Since cgit doesn't know when you want the diff to start it can't really > display anything more useful. > > You can add e.g. =develop to the URL to specify the starting point, e.g. > >

[sage-devel] trac "diff" button

Hi, Trac's "diff" tab is really weird to me. 1. Go to a ticket like https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/20857 2. Click on "commits", in this case seeing a log with two commits. 3. Click on the "diff" tab. The result is the diff *only* from the very last commit. It's not the diff showing what the

[sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] Re: (CRITICAL) sage-trac google group concern

On Friday, July 29, 2016, Karl-Dieter Crisman wrote: > > > > This is indeed very bad (the relevant message is [1]). And not the only >> one [2]. Please do not change any password on trac since this is fixed!! >> >> > Yikes! > On the plus side, it's not universal since >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac attachment limit

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Andrey Novoseltsev wrote: > On Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:13:56 UTC-6, William wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Paul Masson wrote: >> > What about a "packages" repository on GitHub just to store files? >> >> I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: survey ==> Python3

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Francesco Biscani wrote: >> That would be difficult to substantiate I think. > > > If you look at languages with "true" multithreading, what they provide are > not only the basic building blocks which Python also has (threads, locks, >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac attachment limit

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Paul Masson wrote: > What about a "packages" repository on GitHub just to store files? I was also going to suggest that. A drawback is we would have to add all trac users to the Github repo, so hundreds and hundreds of people, many

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage on Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:39 AM, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: > William Stein wrote: >> Regarding the above discussion about speed, what combination of >> OS/Virtualization/Emulations/Native/etc. is actually fastest is not >> something that can be determin

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage on Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Erik Bray <erik.m.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 6:33 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:21 AM, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: >>>> OS bashing will not be

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac attachment limit

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 6:44 AM, leif wrote: > Samuel Lelievre wrote: >> Maybe we could create packages.sagemath.org? > > And/or create a trac plug-in which saves uploaded spkgs there/elsewhere, > i.e., to a location which doesn't get backed up [the way trac > attachments

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage on Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:21 AM, leif wrote: >> OS bashing will not be tolerated. > > But company bashing will... ;-) > > Microsoft used to have a POSIX layer also; no idea what happened to that > (and how usable it actually was/is). > > But it never made it into mainstream

Re: [sage-devel] Re: survey ==> Python3

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:55 PM, rjf wrote: > On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:01:47 AM UTC-7, Volker Braun wrote: >> A language that did not change in the last 20 years is dead, plain and >> simple. > [...] Just wondering if, at the > outset, one would > again choose Python,

Re: [sage-devel] Trac notifications again

I should add - I will upgrade to a paid plan if somebody tells me the credentials On Monday, July 25, 2016, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > Yes indeed, we are over the sendgrid quota; I think tomorrow we will get > another month of 12K free emails. > > Dima > > On Monday, July

Re: [sage-devel] Trac notifications again

The SageMath admin mailing list for several emails from sendgrid about us being about to go over quota last week, but they were ignored (by us)... On Monday, July 25, 2016, John H Palmieri wrote: > Neither is the sage-trac Google group. > > > On Monday, July 25, 2016 at

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac attachment limit

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 7:53 AM, leif wrote: > Erik Bray wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Volker Braun wrote: >>> Please don't attach binaries to trac; Everything that is attached becomes >>> forever part of the trac database. Which is

Re: [sage-devel] Re: survey ==> Python3

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 9:07 PM, rjf wrote: > Maybe flamebait .. see below. No -- it seems that you might be a little ignorant about the culture and development of Python. You might try a google search for python2 python3 -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You

Re: [sage-devel] Coercion to interfaces

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 24/07/16 05:13, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> I believe that the work on libGAP interface might better wait for GAP >> folks to come up with their own libGAP. They refused to merge "our" >> libGAP, and they

Re: [sage-devel] Re: survey ==> Python3

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 5:22 PM, rjf wrote: > And then, in a few years Python 4? > Perhaps there is a lesson here? Are don't understand what you're saying. Is this flame bait? I can't tell. William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you

[sage-devel] survey ==> Python3

Hi, We recently did a survey with a question about why people choose (or would choose) something else instead of Sage. There are definitely some people who are deeply concerned by our lack of Python3 support in Sage. So, based purely on some user feedback, I would just like to add a little

Re: [sage-devel] Re: patchbot server not responding

Hi, I rebooted the host machine and both fileserver.sagemath.org and patchbot.sagemath.org respond to ssh requests. I do NOT have any clue how to actually login to either machine. I was also completely unable to login to the machine that hosts them as well. Yes, I tried using a rescue disk and

Re: [sage-devel] patchbot server not responding

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Frédéric Chapoton wrote: > Anything new on the patchbot server status ? I will have physical access tomorrow. > > Frederic > > Le jeudi 14 juillet 2016 17:53:23 UTC+2, William a écrit : >> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Frédéric

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Git repository should have Sage versions as branches not tags

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > I was running a small script on trac.sagemath.org:12000 that was > listening for github pull requests and comments (via github webhooks) > and publishing them to trac (via the trac scripts shipped with Sage).

Re: [sage-devel] fileserver.sagemath.org is down

I will not be able to look into this until next week. On Thursday, July 14, 2016, Volker Braun wrote: > Which afaik is the root mirror and where I upload third-party packages and > source tarballs > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [sage-devel] patchbot server not responding

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Frédéric Chapoton wrote: > Since a few hours maybe, the patchbot server is not longer responding, and I > cannot connect. > > https://patchbot.sagemath.org > > It is currently hosted at UW, I think. Thanks for reporting this. I can't do

Re: [sage-devel] VotePlugin for trac?

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016, saad khalid wrote: > I've always wondered why we didn't use GH. > > > > Also, I would definitely support some sort of voting on > feature/improvement option. I'm not sure if trac is the best place to put > it, but I think one of the best things we

Re: [sage-devel] VotePlugin for trac?

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016, Erik Bray <erik.m.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 6, 2016 17:40, "William Stein" <wst...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wst...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Erik Bray <er

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VotePlugin for trac?

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Erik Bray wrote: > Alternatively, we can do a little better than "anonymous" be > re-enabling registration on the Trac site. > > Trac has an "authenticated" role, for users who have passed > authentication but nothing else. That sounds OK.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VotePlugin for trac?

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Simon King <simon.k...@uni-koeln.de> wrote: > Hi William, > > On 2016-07-06, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Michael Orlitzky <mich...@orlitzky.com> >> wrote: >&

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VotePlugin for trac?

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:03 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Michael Orlitzky <mich...@orlitzky.com> wrote: >> On 07/06/2016 06:30 AM, Simon King wrote: >>> >>> It seems useless to me. Thus, co

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VotePlugin for trac?

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 07/06/2016 06:30 AM, Simon King wrote: >> >> It seems useless to me. Thus, counter-question: Any substantial benefit >> with this? >> > > Yeah, I've worked on probably a hundred open source projects that have >

Re: [sage-devel] Problem installing sage 7.2 on SMC

I begin to wish "make doc" we're a separate step On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Rob H. wrote: > Thanks, William! It seemed like it was the documentation, but the fact > that it crashed on 'make' scared me. Running sage seems to work, so I guess > all is good. > > Best, >

Re: [sage-devel] Problem installing sage 7.2 on SMC

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Rob H. wrote: > Hi, > > I was trying to set up a copy of Sage 7.2 on a SageMathCloud project and the > building process failed. This project was already housing an earlier version > of Sage (which I have since erased); it has the space for

Re: [sage-devel] Re: probleme installing sage-7.2 on suse 13.2

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 12:18 PM, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: > William Stein wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:37 AM, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: >>> Erik Bray wrote: >>>> That could and probably should be fixed though. In this case ju

Re: [sage-devel] Re: probleme installing sage-7.2 on suse 13.2

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:37 AM, leif wrote: > Erik Bray wrote: >> That could and probably should be fixed though. In this case just >> changing decode('ascii') to decode('latin1') will go a long way (will >> result in mojibake for some code pages, but at least won't

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VotePlugin for trac?

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:15 AM, leif wrote: > Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:32:09 PM UTC+1, vdelecroix wrote: >> >> On 05/07/16 10:25, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> > 1) well, there are always more tickets to work on than humanely >> possible

Re: [sage-devel] make giac/giacpy a standard package

On Friday, July 1, 2016, Ralf Stephan wrote: > On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 10:00:34 AM UTC+2, Ralf Stephan wrote: >> >> The giac and giacpy packages are now one year optional (#12375). Since >> pynac-0.6.6 (#20742) has optional support for giac, and uses it to fix a >> bug,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac workflow and needs_review

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Erik Bray wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:14 PM, leif wrote: >> Erik Bray wrote: >>> While we're tinkering with the workflow, I think we need to change the >>> workflow associated with testing changes. >>> >>>

[sage-devel] wiki.sagemath.org

Hi, https://wiki.sagemath.org is now running on GCE, very nicely configured using Docker. Please report issues. -- William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac mails are back on

On Thursday, June 23, 2016, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Erik Bray > wrote: > > On Jun 23, 2016 00:11, "Dima Pasechnik" > wrote: > >> > >> Trac emails should work now (going

Re: [sage-devel] more tests in sage (not doctests)

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Stephan Ehlen wrote: >> > d) test unpickling of objects which seems to break rather often and is >> > not covered at all by any of the doctests >> >> This can be done with doctests (possibly using the pickle jar). > > > How would the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] What is the best time for Trac downtime?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Erik Bray wrote: >> Is Wednesday morning OK? > > yes, sounds good. just email me and wst...@gmail.com and one of us > will do it ASAP Yep. Also, I created

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is the best time for Trac downtime?

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:09 AM, mmarco wrote: > Did you recently enable cloudflare cache services? > > I am using Tor to circunvent some pesky firewall, and when trying to push > some changes, I get some git_trac.trac_error.TracConnectionError: Forbidden > error. > > Would it

Re: [sage-devel] trac slow/unresponsive

rote: >> >> On Jun 18, 2016 09:07, "Jeroen Demeyer" <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> wrote: >> > >> > On 2016-06-17 16:39, Erik Bray wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> >> >

[sage-devel] Re: sage infrastructure at UW

On Saturday, June 18, 2016, Thierry <sage-googlesu...@lma.metelu.net> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 11:21:29AM -0400, William Stein wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:12 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > Hi, > >

[sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] What is the best time for Trac downtime?

On Saturday, June 18, 2016, Thierry <sage-googlesu...@lma.metelu.net> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 10:34:03AM -0700, William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > > > (1) It is now newly possible for either me or Harald Schilly to do > > anything related to the *.sagemat

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is the best time for Trac downtime?

Hi, (1) It is now newly possible for either me or Harald Schilly to do anything related to the *.sagemath.org DNS setup. (2) Mike Hansen is currently looking into migrating wiki.sagemath.org to the same Google compute engine project... - William On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 2:04 AM, Erik Bray

Re: [sage-devel] trac slow/unresponsive

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:09 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote: > On 2016-06-16 00:05, William Stein wrote: >> >> I have also rebooted the live actual trac.sagemath.org server now. >> Hopefully this will make it faster... > > > It still d

Re: [sage-devel] trac slow/unresponsive

t; On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:15:45 PM UTC-7, William wrote: >> >> I can restart the machine if you guys want... >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> >> wrote: >> > On 2016-06-15 20:59, William Ste

Re: [sage-devel] trac slow/unresponsive

I can restart the machine if you guys want... On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote: > On 2016-06-15 20:59, William Stein wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I just typed "service restart apache2" -- is it still

Re: [sage-devel] trac slow/unresponsive

Hi, I just typed "service restart apache2" -- is it still slow? I did a quick test and it seemed to be working now. William On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Paul Masson wrote: > Similar for me in San Francisco, except can't make any changes. Server keeps > timing out.

Re: [sagemath-admins] Re: [sage-devel] Re: http://trac.sagemath.org vs https://trac.sagemath.org

r one domain name, but forgot to change the other! william > > > > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 3:18:55 PM UTC+2, Harald Schilly wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:53 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Of some relevance -- Hara

Re: [sage-devel] Abandon Python 2.6 support?

On Monday, June 13, 2016, Fernando Perez <fperez@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Erik Bray <erik.m.b...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','erik.m.b...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:28 PM, William Stein <ws

Re: [sage-devel] Abandon Python 2.6 support?

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Volker Braun wrote: > Note that we can trivially support Python 2.6 just by vendoring > argparse.py. Make user's lives easier or save a few kilobytes of disk > space? How is this not a total slam-dunk?-- > Huge +1 > You received this

Re: [sage-devel] import and build with py3

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Frédéric Chapoton wrote: > ok, thanks. > > But now I did "make" inside the py3 virtualenv. So I have a copy of sage > build using py3 (do I ? I am not sure at all. It spend a lot of time > building python2.7). > And still the same imports of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage at 2016 MAA Project NExT Networking Lunch

Thanks; noted. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Emily Gunawan wrote: > This is way past May 4, but I will be at MathFest in Ohio, as an incoming > Project NExT Fellow. (I plan to mention in my email introduction that I have > used SageMath for research and hope to use it

Re: [sage-devel] Re: proposal: possibly remove Watkins Sympow from Sage

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 5:10 AM, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote: > Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2016-06-08 00:14, William Stein wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Francois Bissey >>> <francois.bis...@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote: >>>> The vers

Re: [sagemath-admins] Re: [sage-devel] Re: http://trac.sagemath.org vs https://trac.sagemath.org

Of some relevance -- Harald Schilly was recently in the process of putting a CloudFlare 'pro subscription' in front of all *.sagemath.org domains, for caching and anti-DDOS protection, etc. CloudFlare provides that they terminate for all sites that they proxy. However it's obviously good (but

Re: [sage-devel] proposal: possibly remove Watkins Sympow from Sage

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Francois Bissey wrote: > The version from the sage-on-gentoo overlay has been hacked to explicitly > write data generated by the user in ~/.sympow. If indeed you make a system > wide install where the user cannot write it will

[sage-devel] Re: proposal: possibly remove Watkins Sympow from Sage

> to do before Sage either one of which seems like a step > backwards! I agree. I only wanted to remove sympow if it doesn't work. It seems it works for everybody except me so definitely the solution is not to remove it. > > John > > On 7 June 2016 at 16:45, William St

[sage-devel] Fwd: proposal: possibly remove Watkins Sympow from Sage

Some very useful remarks from Mark... -- Forwarded message -- From: Mark Watkins <mark.watk...@sydney.edu.au> Date: Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:43 AM Subject: Re: proposal: possibly remove Watkins Sympow from Sage To: William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> William Stein w

[sage-devel] Re: sage infrastructure at UW

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:12 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > The Air Conditioning and power at UW have been fixed, and everything > turned back on. I've pointed DNS back at trac.sagemath.org and > wiki.sagemath.org so you should see them shortly. &g

Re: [sage-devel] Developing sage-based code out of tree

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Nathan Dunfield wrote: > Erik, > > Interesting, I didn't realize that build-time (as opposed to run-time) > dependencies were even *possible* with setuptools, even if it does require a > hack. With SnapPy, we just ship the Cython-generated

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Developing sage-based code out of tree

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Nils Bruin wrote: > On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 12:59:57 PM UTC-7, Nils Bruin wrote: >> >> The problem arose specifically when I was looking at >> https://github.com/abelfunctions/abelfunctions which packages itself as an >> spkg. Obviously, I didn't

[sage-devel] Re: sage infrastructure at UW

-- Docker containers so I'll do whatever I can to support that. -- William On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 11:09 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Yesterday a machine at UW (the one hosting *.sagenb.org) was attacking > other computers, so the UW shut it down. >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: proposal: possibly remove Watkins Sympow from Sage

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:28 AM, John H Palmieri wrote: > > > On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:11:08 AM UTC-7, William wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Long ago in 2006, I put Mark Watkins amazing C program "sympow" in Sage: >> >> >>

Re: [sage-devel] sage infrastructure at UW

erry <sage-googlesu...@lma.metelu.net> wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 02:35:22PM -0400, William Stein wrote: > [...] >> I am flat out strongly against hosting the Sage wiki, trac, etc.,. >> They should be properly hosted in the cloud, where anybody can be >> ad

[sage-devel] proposal: possibly remove Watkins Sympow from Sage

Hi, Long ago in 2006, I put Mark Watkins amazing C program "sympow" in Sage: http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/lfunctions/sage/lfunctions/sympow.html In case you're not a number theorist, this program computes values of generating functions attached to symmetric power

Re: [sage-devel] Re: hosting wiki and trac

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > +1 to hosting at at Tier 1 cloud provider > > Also, if you have any arguments pro or con then send it to the mailinglist > and not to William's private email. +1 -- SageMath should be as open a project as possible.

[sage-devel] hosting wiki and trac

Hi, I am being pressured by various people to host trac and wiki in Paris henceforth. Technically, "the cloud" is now a far superior platform for hosting as compared to "some guy with some computers at a specific university". For starter, it is easy to make the compute available in any of

Re: [sage-devel] sage infrastructure at UW

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Eric Gourgoulhon wrote: > > Le lundi 6 juin 2016 19:08:44 UTC+2, Thierry (sage-googlesucks@xxx) a écrit > : >> >> Hi, >> >> the wiki is back online at University Paris North : >> http://sagewiki.lipn.univ-paris13.fr/ >> > > Thank you very

Re: [sage-devel] Developing sage-based code out of tree

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote: > On 2016-06-06 16:05, William Stein wrote: >> >> Isn't there one canonical one to use now? > > > I guess the "canonical" one is setuptools. But setuptools makes the ann

Re: [sage-devel] sage infrastructure at UW

Hello, The sysadmin just explained what happened -- namely the room has been cooking all weekend due to an AC failure: This means that everything might -- or might not -- come back in the next few days. There is no way to know the extent of the damage, if any. --- "The PDL C28 server room AC

Re: [sage-devel] Developing sage-based code out of tree

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote: > On 2016-06-06 05:25, William Stein wrote: > >> I think that **all** development of Sage should be done using standard >> Python packaging.Of course Cython is very well supported using >>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac and wiki

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > The buildbot is gone, too. > > I'm also travelling this week and don't have much time to do anything... > > Especially for trac with our custom plugins I'd really prefer a docker > container with a working Dockerfile

Re: [sage-devel] sage infrastructure at UW

and Ralf Stephan. NOTE: the backups are in /orig on each machine. On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:48 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've sent invites to the Google compute engine project to the following > people. > > - Andrew O > - Dima P > - Volker B >

Re: [sage-devel] Trac and wiki

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Erik Bray <erik.m.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:27 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi sage devel, >> >> According to my monitors trac and wiki are down. I have no idea why. I'm >> boarding a

Re: [sage-devel] sage infrastructure at UW

I've sent invites to the Google compute engine project to the following people. - Andrew O - Dima P - Volker B - Erik B - Samuel L On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2016-06-06 10:33, Erik Bray wrote: >> >> I think one of the best things

Re: [sage-devel] Developing sage-based code out of tree

We had tons of discussion on sage-devel about exactly this topic recently. One thing is that Chris made https://github.com/cswiercz/sage_packages but that seems to have gone nowhere. I think that **all** development of Sage should be done using standard Python packaging.Of course Cython

[sage-devel] sage infrastructure at UW

Hi, Yesterday a machine at UW (the one hosting *.sagenb.org) was attacking other computers, so the UW shut it down. Today trac, the wiki, and many other machines crashed. I'm traveling, so can't look into the hardware anytime soon. Morever, the situation is that there is nobody else who will

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac and wiki

Thierry, Send me your public ssh key (wst...@gmail.com). On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Thierry <sage-googlesu...@lma.metelu.net> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 04:45:40PM -0700, William Stein wrote: >> Hi >> >> I'm out of town until June 18. I will get th

[sage-devel] Re: Trac and wiki

Hi I'm out of town until June 18. I will get the math admin to power cycle the machines tomorrow when they go to work. If that doesn't work the other option is that I do sometimes make offsite backups of trac and wiki just in case and I think I have them from about two weeks ago. That's

[sage-devel] Trac and wiki

Hi sage devel, According to my monitors trac and wiki are down. I have no idea why. I'm boarding a plane out of town now... William -- Sent from my massive iPhone 6 plus. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [sage-devel] Users can permanently modify GF(5).list()

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:11 PM, Kwankyu Lee wrote: > As the discussion of this thread seems to converge to the conclusion that we > need to transfer the function of X.list() to X.elements() or like to avoid > confusion, I still like to add to the following separate issue > >>

Re: [sage-devel] Users can permanently modify GF(5).list()

On Friday, June 3, 2016, Volker Braun wrote: > On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 5:41:59 PM UTC-4, William wrote: >> >>X.list() >> might very well return a tuple of four *mutable* 2x2 matrices. Then >> this X.tuple() is still very much mutable, and the original problem >>

Re: [sage-devel] PEP idea: unary division

On Friday, June 3, 2016, Samuel Lelievre wrote: > > > Le jeudi 2 juin 2016 22:33:45 UTC+2, Volker Braun a écrit : >> >> I'm guessing that this won't fly with upstream ;-) >> >> Is it really faster? A new __unary_div__ method everywhere? Is it really >> faster than

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