[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Timothy Clemans
That is already available by creating Wiki-books. Wiki-books can not be easily converted to LaTeX documents. http://en.wikibooks.org On 7/25/07, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has to be evil and mention this: MediaWiki If you are willing to sacrifice absolute editorial

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Alec Mihailovs
MediaWiki There is already a site that wove together Mathematica and MediaWiki. The same could probably be done for SAGE. Of course, that site hasn't done so well because the Mathematica user base is so small ... Assuming that SAGE's user base is larger? Alec

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Bobby Moretti
The SAGE wiki: http://www.sagemath.org:9001/ There is a link from the main page. MoinMoin with SAGE supports LaTeX. -Bobby On 7/25/07, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is conversion to LaTeX a requirement or merely a nice-to-have? On Jul 25, 1:16 pm, Timothy Clemans [EMAIL

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread William Stein
On 7/25/07, Nick Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Timothy Clemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A LaTeX document can easily be converted to different formats unlike a wiki entry. Funniest thing I've heard today. First time I've heard that process be considered easy. Tools such as hevea

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Jul 25, 1:29 pm, Michael Abshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SAGE already uses a MoinMoin Wiki installation. So I should amend my comment by asking: Why not place the documentation in a MoinMoinWiki? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Nick Alexander
William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 7/24/07, Nick Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alec Mihailovs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May I suggest to add timing to the examples in the documentation - that would be very useful. For example, in recent discussion about Bell numbers on

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Chris Chiasson
o yea, if you do go this route, don't forget about: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID On Jul 25, 1:00 pm, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has to be evil and mention this: MediaWiki If you are willing to sacrifice absolute editorial control, the wiki

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Nick Alexander
Timothy Clemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A LaTeX document can easily be converted to different formats unlike a wiki entry. Funniest thing I've heard today. First time I've heard that process be considered easy. Tools such as hevea and latex2html do a reasonable job, but they're certainly

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Chris Chiasson
It should be qualified that the user base for the site is small because Mathematica already has a fair amount (actually, it is a massive amount, but it isn't nearly enough for my taste) of documentation. On Jul 25, 1:16 pm, Alec Mihailovs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MediaWiki There is already

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-25 Thread Chris Chiasson
Is conversion to LaTeX a requirement or merely a nice-to-have? On Jul 25, 1:16 pm, Timothy Clemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is already available by creating Wiki-books. Wiki-books can not be easily converted to LaTeX documents.http://en.wikibooks.org On 7/25/07, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-24 Thread Ted Kosan
Ted wrote: Before one can determine what SAGE's documentation should look like, I think that one must first try to gain an understanding of how the technologies that SAGE depends on ( and also technologies in general ) are going to evolve over the next 20 years. I'd like to give a concrete

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-24 Thread Alec Mihailovs
May I suggest to add timing to the examples in the documentation - that would be very useful. For example, in recent discussion about Bell numbers on the math-fun list, it was noted that it takes a very long time to calculate bell(1000) in Maple while BellB[1000] in Mathematica is much

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-24 Thread William Stein
On 7/24/07, Jack Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GAP takes under a second to compute Bell(1000), compared to over a minute (and going) for maple on the same computer. Gap takes about 1 second for this on one of my test machines. Nick Alexander wrote an optimized native SAGE function that

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-23 Thread boothby
I'll help; and I'm pretty familiar (as a user) with the algebra / combinatorics bits. On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, William Stein wrote: Hello, I think SAGE might potentially greatly benefit from certain types of new documentation. Unfortunately, after consider a number of possibilities, I'm

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-23 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: I think SAGE might potentially greatly benefit from certain types of new documentation. snip I have been thinking about the topic of SAGE's documentation for a couple of months now and here is what I have come up with so far. Before one can determine what SAGE's documentation

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-23 Thread David Joyner
Ted: Very very interesting. Thanks for the great comments and the offer to help. +++ On 7/23/07, Ted Kosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William wrote: I think SAGE might potentially greatly benefit from certain types of new documentation. snip I

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-23 Thread Hamptonio
I would vote for putting that content in the Guided Tour part of the tutorial. I think the variety of documentation would be a little too fragmented otherwise. In my limited experience so far, new users of sage can already be confused about where they should look things up. -Marshall On Jul

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-22 Thread Timothy Clemans
What would the plan for the plotting documentation be? Would there be an overview of the plot objects followed by some small projects? For me I sort of get the basics of plotting in SAGE but do not really know how to do much in the way of mathematical art. For example I would have no idea how to

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE Documentation brainstorming

2007-07-22 Thread David Joyner
Sounds like a great idea. You might consider adding a chapter for users who are looking for pre-calculus help (trig, simple algebra, other HS topics), an idea suggested by Mike O'Sullivan. On 7/22/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I think SAGE might potentially greatly