[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Monday, 17 June 2013 23:47:29 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dima Pasechnik wrote: well, Cygwin is entangled with OS in an intimate way, so it's not essentially the same way. Is it? The newest cygwin doesn't even use the registry any more. Of

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 10:45:32 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Monday, 17 June 2013 23:47:29 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dima Pasechnik wrote: well, Cygwin is entangled with OS in an intimate way, so it's not essentially the same way. Is

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:51:29 AM UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 10:45:32 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Monday, 17 June 2013 23:47:29 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dima Pasechnik wrote: well, Cygwin is entangled with

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 11:39:52 UTC+2, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:51:29 AM UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 10:45:32 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Monday, 17 June 2013 23:47:29 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: On Monday, June 17, 2013

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread kcrisman
It would be unfortunate if the Sage notebook were to fall to the energy behind SagemathCloud without having some alternate project (like the IPython notebook, perhaps) providing this functionality; Andrey's points are legitimate. It clearly fills a need, especially as long as Sage

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Monday, June 17, 2013 3:09:40 PM UTC+2, kcrisman wrote: It would be unfortunate if the Sage notebook were to fall to the energy behind SagemathCloud without having some alternate project (like the IPython notebook, perhaps) providing this functionality; Andrey's points are

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Volker Braun
+1: we should not attempt to introduce any sort of package management on Windows. In keeping with the Windows user experience we just need to vomit stuff into the filesystem with a one-click install. Moving Cygwin should be easy, you just need to rewrite the mount points for the new cygwin

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Monday, June 17, 2013 4:20:47 PM UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: +1: we should not attempt to introduce any sort of package management on Windows. In keeping with the Windows user experience we just need to vomit stuff into the filesystem with a one-click install. Moving Cygwin should be

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-06-17, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: --=_Part_2565_268627.1371478847151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 +1: we should not attempt to introduce any sort of package management on Windows. In keeping with the Windows user experience we just need to vomit

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Volker Braun
Will cygwin accept a monolithic Sage package that duplicates lots of Cygwin packages? This is the same question about including Sage into linux distros, and the answer is going to be a resounding of course not. Of course it would be great to make Sage more modular, but its not going to happen

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-06-17, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: --=_Part_3022_16440786.1371499844732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Will cygwin accept a monolithic Sage package that duplicates lots of Cygwin packages? This is the same question about including Sage into linux

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Volker Braun
On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dima Pasechnik wrote: well, Cygwin is entangled with OS in an intimate way, so it's not essentially the same way. Is it? The newest cygwin doesn't even use the registry any more. Of couse if you need to run services like an ssh server then you

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-16 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-06-16, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: --=_Part_606_21518160.1371342662093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:26:31 PM UTC-4, William wrote: On Jun 15, 2013 12:22 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev novo...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Some additional remarks:   - I plan to (eventually) make Ipython also available as an integral part ofhttp://cloud.sagemath.com;if you open a .sagews you get the worksheet I've developed, but if you open an ipython notebook file,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread William Stein
On Jun 15, 2013 12:22 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev novos...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Some additional remarks: - I plan to (eventually) make Ipython also available as an integral part ofhttp://cloud.sagemath.com;if you open a .sagews you get

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread kcrisman
On Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:26:31 PM UTC-4, William wrote: On Jun 15, 2013 12:22 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev novo...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Some additional remarks: - I plan to (eventually) make Ipython also

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread William Stein
On Jun 15, 2013 5:31 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:26:31 PM UTC-4, William wrote: On Jun 15, 2013 12:22 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev novo...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Some additional remarks: - I

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/15/13 1:22 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev wrote: On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Some additional remarks: - I plan to (eventually) make Ipython also available as an integral part ofhttp://cloud.sagemath.com;if you open a .sagews you get the worksheet I've developed,

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-14 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/14/13 2:23 PM, kcrisman wrote: There are a number of tickets like #12232 (maybe six or seven) related to the simple server API. This thread is to discuss the status of this. Here are a few possible opinions. 1) This API hasn't worked for a long time well, and doesn't work at all with the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-14 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: On 6/14/13 2:23 PM, kcrisman wrote: There are a number of tickets like #12232 (maybe six or seven) related to the simple server API. This thread is to discuss the status of this. Here are a few possible opinions.