[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-07-21 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jul 18, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Jason Grout wrote: Burcin Erocal wrote: I attached a patch to the trac ticket that contains an initial attempt at the MMA notation: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6344 FYI, a few days ago Burcin

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-07-19 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi, On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Jason Groutjason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: OLD: sage: var('x,y') sage: f = function('f') sage: f(x).derivative(x) D[0](f)(x) sage: f(x,x).derivative(x,2) D[0, 0](f)(x, x) + 2*D[0, 1](f)(x, x) + D[1, 1](f)(x, x) NEW: sage: f(x).derivative(x)

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-07-19 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:54:34 -0700 William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Jason Groutjason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Burcin Erocal wrote: I attached a patch to the trac ticket that contains an initial attempt at the MMA notation:

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-07-18 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Jason Grout wrote: Burcin Erocal wrote: I attached a patch to the trac ticket that contains an initial attempt at the MMA notation: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6344 FYI, a few days ago Burcin uploaded a new patch on 6344 and asked for

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-07-18 Thread Jason Grout
Burcin Erocal wrote: I attached a patch to the trac ticket that contains an initial attempt at the MMA notation: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6344 FYI, a few days ago Burcin uploaded a new patch on 6344 and asked for review. Here are the examples: OLD: sage: var('x,y')

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-07-18 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Jason Groutjason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Burcin Erocal wrote: I attached a patch to the trac ticket that contains an initial attempt at the MMA notation: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6344 FYI, a few days ago Burcin uploaded a new patch

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-25 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi Burcin, On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Burcin Erocalbur...@erocal.org wrote: I attached a patch to the trac ticket that contains an initial attempt at the MMA notation: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6344 It doesn't work well for text mode: sage: f = function('f')

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Burcin Erocalbur...@erocal.org wrote: If there are no objections to the above definition of hybrid approach, the options for default printing are: 1) Mathematica style 2) Maple style 3) hybrid I still vote for 1, MMA style. To state the reasons again,

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Jason Grout
Burcin Erocal wrote: On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:42:46 -0300 Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, kcrismankcris...@gmail.com wrote: So the conclusion is that we will go with the Mathematica style notation. Does that also apply to Golam's

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Nick Alexander
+1 for the MMA style. I am +1 for mathematica style, but can someone explain why In[5]:= D[F[x+2*y], x, x] Out[5]= F''[x + 2 y] Why is x somehow considered special and y not? Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread John Cremona
2009/6/24 Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com: +1 for the MMA style. I am +1 for mathematica style, but can someone explain why In[5]:= D[F[x+2*y], x, x] Out[5]= F''[x + 2 y] Why is x somehow considered special and y not? F is a function of one variable. F'' is its second

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Nick Alexander
On 24-Jun-09, at 9:42 AM, John Cremona wrote: 2009/6/24 Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com: +1 for the MMA style. I am +1 for mathematica style, but can someone explain why In[5]:= D[F[x+2*y], x, x] Out[5]= F''[x + 2 y] Why is x somehow considered special and y not? F is a

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-24 Thread Burcin Erocal
Hi Golam, On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:58:19 -0300 Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Burcin Erocalbur...@erocal.org wrote: If there are no objections to the above definition of hybrid approach, the options for default printing are: 1)

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-23 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:42:46 -0300 Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, kcrismankcris...@gmail.com wrote: So the conclusion is that we will go with the Mathematica style notation. Does that also apply to Golam's earlier comment

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-17 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Robert Bradshawrober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:19 PM, William Stein wrote: Personally, I prefer the Mathematica notation because I can actually read it.  I have (serious!) trouble reading the current notation that Sage uses and I

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-17 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:20:31 +0200 William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Robert Bradshawrober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:19 PM, William Stein wrote: Personally, I prefer the Mathematica notation because I can actually read

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-16 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossaingmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Burcin Erocalbur...@erocal.org wrote: There were long discussion about the typesetting of partial

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-16 Thread kcrisman
So the conclusion is that we will go with the Mathematica style notation. Does that also apply to Golam's earlier comment (a) If we all agree that there is no ambiguity when the particular argument is a symbolic variable or symbolic function then we should typeset them as

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-16 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, kcrismankcris...@gmail.com wrote: So the conclusion is that we will go with the Mathematica style notation. Does that also apply to Golam's earlier comment   (a) If we all agree that there is no ambiguity when the particular        argument is a symbolic

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-16 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi, On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, kcrismankcris...@gmail.com wrote: So the conclusion is that we will go with the Mathematica style notation. Does that also apply to Golam's earlier comment   (a) If we all agree that there is no ambiguity when the particular        argument is a

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-15 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossaingmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Burcin Erocalbur...@erocal.org wrote: There were long discussion about the typesetting of partial derivatives in the new system, but I don't think we got to a conclusion

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-14 Thread John Cremona
2009/6/14 Burcin Erocal bur...@erocal.org: Hi again, There were long discussion about the typesetting of partial derivatives in the new system, but I don't think we got to a conclusion yet. The previous thread is here:

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-14 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jun 14, 2009, at 3:45 PM, John Cremona wrote: 2009/6/14 Burcin Erocal bur...@erocal.org: Hi again, There were long discussion about the typesetting of partial derivatives in the new system, but I don't think we got to a conclusion yet. The previous thread is here:

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-14 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:45:11 +0100 John Cremona john.crem...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/14 Burcin Erocal bur...@erocal.org: snip Here is what MMA does: In[1]:= D[F[x], x] Out[1]= F'[x] In[2]:= TeXForm[%] Out[2]//TeXForm= F'(x) In[3]:= D[F[x], x, x, x, x, x]        

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-14 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:45 PM, John Cremonajohn.crem...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/14 Burcin Erocal bur...@erocal.org: Hi again, There were long discussion about the typesetting of partial derivatives in the new system, but I don't think we got to a conclusion yet. The previous thread is

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-14 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Burcin Erocalbur...@erocal.org wrote: There were long discussion about the typesetting of partial derivatives in the new system, but I don't think we got to a conclusion yet. I am afraid, we might never reach a conclusion in this regard :-) It seems to be a

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-14 Thread Nick Alexander
Personally, I prefer the Mathematica notation because I can actually read it. I have (serious!) trouble reading the current notation that Sage uses and I can barely read the Maple notation either. With the Mathematica notation it is totally completely obvious to me what is going on. +1

[sage-devel] Re: typesetting partial derivatives

2009-06-14 Thread John H Palmieri
On Jun 14, 12:38 pm, Burcin Erocal bur...@erocal.org wrote: Hi again, There were long discussion about the typesetting of partial derivatives in the new system, but I don't think we got to a conclusion yet. The previous thread is here: