Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage android project

2012-03-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Sunday, 18 March 2012 00:48:48 UTC+8, Harald Schilly wrote: On Saturday, March 17, 2012 5:14:17 PM UTC+1, Jeh Agarwal wrote: thats great! everything can be packed then..but will an app that heavy be acceptable??? well, why not. But regardless of that, you would still either have a

[sage-devel] Math typesetting for inputs in the notebook

2012-03-18 Thread Yukun
Hi all, I'm a 1st year CS student interested in doing a GSoC project this summer. I played around with the Sage notebook, and I think it would be convenient if math typesetting is available for input (like in mathematica), as it'll make it much easier to input long and complicated functions.

[sage-devel] Re: Math typesetting for inputs in the notebook

2012-03-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
For most people in this group, math typesetting means TeX/LaTeX typesetting. It is a de fact standard among mathematicians. Then, math notation is typically much less verbose than code in programming language. E.g. the integral sign might mean different things, depending on context. Then, it

[sage-devel] Re: GSoC 2012 Kick-off

2012-03-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Hi, you might also want to work on better integrating CVXOPT into Sage. Currently very little of its functionality is exposed in Sage. (let's move this thread to sage-gsoc, by the way) Dmitrii On Saturday, 17 March 2012 18:32:57 UTC+8, Animesh Garg wrote: Hello Nathann and Team, Greetings

[sage-devel] Re: Math typesetting for inputs in the notebook

2012-03-18 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2012-03-18 07:46, Yukun skrev: I played around with the Sage notebook, and I think it would be convenient if math typesetting is available for input (like in mathematica), as it'll make it much easier to input long and complicated functions. I will not take part in the GSOC discussion, so this

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-03-17 14:39, Keshav Kini wrote: If you instead tell people to base their patches on the stable release I certainly don't want this. Why do patches need to be based on the latest dev release? To reduce the change of merge conflicts or doctest conflicts (one patch causing a doctest to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: On 2012-03-17 14:39, Keshav Kini wrote: If you instead tell people to base their patches on the stable release I certainly don't want this. Why do patches need to be based on the latest dev release? What do you

Re: [sage-devel] Math typesetting for inputs in the notebook

2012-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Yukun yuku...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm a 1st year CS student interested in doing a GSoC project this summer. I played around with the Sage notebook, and I think it would be convenient if math typesetting is available for input (like in mathematica), as

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Sunday, 18 March 2012 20:57:54 UTC+8, William wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On 2012-03-17 14:39, Keshav Kini wrote: If you instead tell people to base their patches on the stable release I certainly don't want this. Why do patches need to be

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread Keshav Kini
William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: On 2012-03-17 14:39, Keshav Kini wrote: If you instead tell people to base their patches on the stable release I certainly don't want this. Why do patches need to be based

Re: [sage-devel] Physical constants

2012-03-18 Thread Jonathan
A few things: 1) This definitely should be separable from units. And although we have a units package, I still find it easier to simply use variables as units. 2) Scientific data typically is available as numbers 3.56 +/- 0.02 where the 0.02 is either the standard deviation or more often the

Re: [sage-devel] Physical constants

2012-03-18 Thread Jonathan
I found the documentation of the uncertainties package. It is not as powerful as using the general expression I provided above inside Sage because there is only a limited set of analytical derivatives the package knows about and then it uses a robust digital differentiation scheme for other

Re: [sage-devel] Physical constants

2012-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Jonathan gu...@uwosh.edu wrote: A few things: 1) This definitely should be separable from units.  And although we have a units package, I still find it easier to simply use variables as units. Just out of curiosity, how do you do conversions? That's the main

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: On 2012-03-17 14:39, Keshav Kini wrote: If you instead tell people to base their patches on the

[sage-devel] Re: Physical constants

2012-03-18 Thread Keshav Kini
By the way, this ticket might be of interest: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/9763 -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread Keshav Kini
William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Jeroen Demeyer jdeme...@cage.ugent.be wrote: On 2012-03-17 14:39, Keshav Kini wrote: If you instead tell

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Jeroen Demeyer

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread Keshav Kini
William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wst...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage android project

2012-03-18 Thread Jeh Agarwal
but still its a long way till it becomes common...how many would have such powerful devices now??? On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2012 00:48:48 UTC+8, Harald Schilly wrote: On Saturday, March 17, 2012 5:14:17 PM UTC+1, Jeh

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.8 build failed: Error: Failed to build Maxima as an ECL library.

2012-03-18 Thread Juanjo
On Friday, March 16, 2012 1:04:35 AM UTC+1, leif wrote: Btw, you run into similar problems if you happen to have HOME set but the directory doesn't exist (e.g. because /home isn't mounted); ECL insists on being at least able to *read* your home directory. Is it so surprising given that

[sage-devel] Re: sage android project

2012-03-18 Thread Keshav Kini
Jeh Agarwal jeh.agar...@gmail.com writes: but still its a long way till it becomes common...how many would have such powerful devices now??? Right, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you. The main priority is to make remote operation of Sage possible (and easy, and nice looking, and

[sage-devel] Applied Math

2012-03-18 Thread Nitish Jaipuria
Greetings to the team I am Nitish Kr. Jaipuria, a 4th year student of the Department of Mathematics, IIT Kharagpur, enrolled in 5 year Integrated MS course of mathematics and computing. Due to my course content I have adequate knowledge of both maths and computer science. I am very much

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.8 build failed: Error: Failed to build Maxima as an ECL library.

2012-03-18 Thread Juanjo
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:25:13 PM UTC+1, Nils Bruin wrote: On Mar 15, 12:21 am, syd.lavas...@gmail.com syd.lavas...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is that my home directory is: /files3/home/sahosse/ but I only have execution permission to the directory home: I confirm:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-18 Thread Julien Puydt
Le dimanche 18 mars, William Stein a écrit: Does git magically solve that problem? No, but it mitigates it. It's a tool. It won't prevent you from hitting on your fingers if you insist on it, but it will make your life easier in general. Snark on #sagemath -- To post to this group, send an

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage android project

2012-03-18 Thread Julien Puydt
Le dimanche 18 mars, Jeh Agarwal a écrit: but still its a long way till it becomes common...how many would have such powerful devices now??? Good code just ports itself. Especially if it's possible to do it by morsels. It's possible to make sage more flexible already, so it handles the future

[sage-devel] Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread David Roe
Hi everyone, We're looking at upgrading trac from 0.11.5 to 0.12.3 (latest stable version). There will probably be some downtime later today (hopefully less than 10 minutes) to switch over to the new version. Let us know if today is a bad day for some reason, and also if something is misbehaving

Re: [sage-devel] Physical constants

2012-03-18 Thread Jonathan
I simply define my fundamental unit system and define all units relative to that. Typically I use SI units kg, m and s. Then I define other convenient quantities. For example cm=m*1e-2 Then when I enter 10.0 cm in an expression sage interprets it as 0.100*m. If I want the answer in particular

Re: [sage-devel] Physical constants

2012-03-18 Thread Jonathan
Oops! I see a typo...I meant input 10.0*cm -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL:

[sage-devel] Evil segfault bug in matrix solve_left

2012-03-18 Thread David Loeffler
Hi folks, I just hit a rather evil linear algebra bug, which results in an instant segfault: sage: A = identity_matrix(ZZ, 2, sparse=True) sage: B = identity_matrix(ZZ, 2, sparse=True) sage: A.solve_left(B) /storage/masiao/sage-5.0.beta8/spkg/bin/sage: line 308: 7843 Segmentation fault

Re: [sage-devel] Physical constants

2012-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jonathan gu...@uwosh.edu wrote: I  simply define my fundamental unit system and define all units relative to that.  Typically I use SI units kg, m and s. Then I define other convenient quantities. For example cm=m*1e-2 Then when I enter 10.0 cm in an

[sage-devel] Re: Math typesetting for inputs in the notebook

2012-03-18 Thread Yukun
That's a correct reading, I'll be primarily be targeting the 2nd point about improving the readability of large expressions, and I believe math typesetting will also make such inputs easier. Your first point about color coding arguments is also something that I could work on. On Sunday, March

Re: [sage-devel] Math typesetting for inputs in the notebook

2012-03-18 Thread Yukun
That ticket pretty much covers what I want to implement; do you think that is suitable for a GSoC project? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options,

Re: [sage-devel] Evil segfault bug in matrix solve_left

2012-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM, David Loeffler dave.loeff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I just hit a rather evil linear algebra bug, which results in an instant segfault: sage: A = identity_matrix(ZZ, 2, sparse=True) sage: B = identity_matrix(ZZ, 2, sparse=True) sage: A.solve_left(B)

Re: [sage-devel] Evil segfault bug in matrix solve_left

2012-03-18 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 2:15 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM, David Loeffler dave.loeff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I just hit a rather evil linear algebra bug, which results in an instant segfault: sage: A = identity_matrix(ZZ, 2, sparse=True)

Re: [sage-devel] Physical constants

2012-03-18 Thread Jonathan
What you are doing using the units package is almost exactly what I do except that I only have definitions for the units I encounter commonly. I'd have to add acres and roods in terms of m to the list I maintain to do the equivalent of your example. The difference is that when I write an

[sage-devel] GSoC applicants - sage-gsoc or sage-devel?

2012-03-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Hi Harald, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/sage talks about sage-gsoc, but the Ideashttps://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1v91UmkDvgEInzPFT_g0osid5g69oKKmyx0NclwcyqI4 document talks about sage-devel for essentially the same purpose. Should you fix the latter to point to

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread Hugh Thomas
Twice, today, instead of the page I was expecting, trac produced something like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Trac-0.11.5-py2.5.egg/trac/web/api.py, line 377, in send_error 'text/html') File

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread David Roe
Strange. We haven't actually done anything yet related to the upgrade, so I don't know what to tell you. David On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 20:34, Hugh Thomas hugh.ross.tho...@gmail.comwrote: Twice, today, instead of the page I was expecting, trac produced something like this: Traceback (most

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread Keshav Kini
David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu writes: Strange.  We haven't actually done anything yet related to the upgrade, so I don't know what to tell you. David On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 20:34, Hugh Thomas hugh.ross.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Twice, today, instead of the page I was expecting, trac

Re: [sage-devel] new list?

2012-03-18 Thread Dan Drake
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 at 05:58PM +, John Cremona wrote: Would anyone else like to see all this google stuff moved to a different mailing list? On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 at 11:07AM -0700, William Stein wrote: YES! I guess it's too late now, but I would prefer to keep everything on sage-devel. We

[sage-devel] Re: new list?

2012-03-18 Thread Keshav Kini
Dan Drake dr...@kaist.edu writes: I'm afraid that, by pushing GSoC students to a different list, we would be in effect creating two classes of developers. It would be a bit like having the grownups table and kids table at holiday meals. I don't think the point is to move GSoC students to a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread David Roe
Trac will go down in 5 minutes. David On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 21:10, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu writes: Strange. We haven't actually done anything yet related to the upgrade, so I don't know what to tell you. David On Sun, Mar 18, 2012

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage android project

2012-03-18 Thread Dan Drake
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 at 09:34PM +0530, Jeh Agarwal wrote: but still its a long way till it becomes common...how many would have such powerful devices now??? Right now: very few. But what about a year from now? Two years? Two years ago at my university, smartphones were something that only

Re: [sage-devel] Re: new list?

2012-03-18 Thread Dan Drake
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 at 06:44PM -0700, Keshav Kini wrote: Dan Drake dr...@kaist.edu writes: I'm afraid that, by pushing GSoC students to a different list, we would be in effect creating two classes of developers. It would be a bit like having the grownups table and kids table at holiday

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread R. Andrew Ohana
Trac is more or less working, please report any bugs. On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 18:47, David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu wrote: Trac will go down in 5 minutes. David On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 21:10, Keshav Kini keshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu writes: Strange.  We

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread leif
On 19 Mrz., 03:20, R. Andrew Ohana andrew.oh...@gmail.com wrote: Trac is more or less working, please report any bugs. More or less? :-) Do the trac pages have to be centered? To me it's a bit inconvenient, and it *may* give problems if the (preview) pages get extremely wide due to some plugin

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread leif
On 19 Mrz., 05:10, leif not.rea...@online.de wrote: On 19 Mrz., 03:20, R. Andrew Ohana andrew.oh...@gmail.com wrote: Do the trac pages have to be centered? To me it's a bit inconvenient, and it *may* give problems if the (preview) pages get extremely wide due to some plugin weirdness, not

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Monday, 19 March 2012 10:20:02 UTC+8, R. Andrew Ohana wrote: Trac is more or less working, please report any bugs. where is the patchbot icon on the tickets? It has vanished. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread Justin C. Walker
On Mar 18, 2012, at 19:20 , R. Andrew Ohana wrote: Trac is more or less working, please report any bugs. A couple of minor glitches: - I refreshed a previously-open page displaying #12555. Before the refresh, I was shown as logged in. After the refresh, I was not. A second refresh got me

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread David Roe
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 21:10, leif not.rea...@online.de wrote: On 19 Mrz., 03:20, R. Andrew Ohana andrew.oh...@gmail.com wrote: Trac is more or less working, please report any bugs. More or less? :-) Known issues: * The link to the patchbot has disappeared (thanks for pointing that out

[sage-devel] Re: Upgrading trac

2012-03-18 Thread Rob Beezer
On Mar 18, 9:31 pm, David Roe r...@math.harvard.edu wrote: Known issues: Known improvements: * Comments can be edited. * Seems super-fast compared to before. * No need to scroll bottom to top to bottom to preview changes to the description, there are link-buttons to jump back/forth.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage android project

2012-03-18 Thread Akshay
I'm curious, are there Lisp implementations that run on ARM, upon which Maxima can be compiled ? I guess ECL will work (not sure though). -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to