Re: [sage-devel] The Sage Wiki
Thierry Dumont writes: > Certainly, it is http://wiki.sagemath.org Haha, yes of course it is :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] The Sage Wiki
Le 26/08/2016 à 18:11, Johan S. H. Rosenkilde a écrit : > Hi everyone, > > I just edited the front page of http://wiki.sagemath.com so that it > appears less embarrassingly out of date. I restructured it so that it is > more clear that it is a place for certain developer organization (mostly > SageDays), so that it now less pretends to be a very lively place with > frequent updates everywhere (or rather, so that it is honest about where > it is out-of-date). > > I stuffed links to lots of sub-pages under headlines marked out-of-date. > If you disagree or update one of those sub-pages, please just put the > link under some appropriate headline not marked out-of-date :-) > > Best, > Johan > Certainly, it is http://wiki.sagemath.org Best, t. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. <>
[sage-devel] The Sage Wiki
Hi everyone, I just edited the front page of http://wiki.sagemath.com so that it appears less embarrassingly out of date. I restructured it so that it is more clear that it is a place for certain developer organization (mostly SageDays), so that it now less pretends to be a very lively place with frequent updates everywhere (or rather, so that it is honest about where it is out-of-date). I stuffed links to lots of sub-pages under headlines marked out-of-date. If you disagree or update one of those sub-pages, please just put the link under some appropriate headline not marked out-of-date :-) Best, Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sage-devel] New sage wiki page for animations
Hello sage-devel, Just to make you know that I created a new page [1] on the sage wiki to include animations (like .gif) made using sage. Indeed, the page [2] was getting huge and was containing a mix of pictures and animations. Then I moved four animations from [2] to [1] and added link to point to the new location for those four animations. You will find on [1] an animation on the Tamer and Lion enigma (see the page for a description of the problem!) . Feel free to add your animations to the page! If you do, I suggest you avoid posting long blocks of code and rather upload a .sage file containing the code. Sébastien Labbé [1] http://wiki.sagemath.org/animate [2] http://wiki.sagemath.org/pics -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] New sage wiki page for animations
Thank you for doing this! Also, you added a link from [2] to [1] for those commands that you moved. Well done, IMHO. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:43 PM, slabbe sla...@gmail.com wrote: Hello sage-devel, Just to make you know that I created a new page [1] on the sage wiki to include animations (like .gif) made using sage. Indeed, the page [2] was getting huge and was containing a mix of pictures and animations. Then I moved four animations from [2] to [1] and added link to point to the new location for those four animations. You will find on [1] an animation on the Tamer and Lion enigma (see the page for a description of the problem!) . Feel free to add your animations to the page! If you do, I suggest you avoid posting long blocks of code and rather upload a .sage file containing the code. Sébastien Labbé [1] http://wiki.sagemath.org/animate [2] http://wiki.sagemath.org/pics -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, the Sage wiki is down for now again since it has been acting up again by consuming up to 23 GB RAM, i.e. pushing itself up to 16 GB into swap. I am not sure what happens, but once it happens all the sudden it consumes about 0.1% of the available RAM *per* second. I have pinged #moinmoin and hopefully in the morning we will get some feedback what is up. Sorry for the downtime, but given the choice between sagemath.org DOSed by the wiki or no wiki the choice was clear. Since the wiki is running now, maybe you could update this message? Also, assuming that the above situation were the case, it would be best to use ulimit to run the wiki, so that it would get auto-killed if it exceeded say 8GB RAM, then just restart it (that would be an easy few-lines script). -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: Hi, the Sage wiki is down for now again since it has been acting up again by consuming up to 23 GB RAM, i.e. pushing itself up to 16 GB into swap. I am not sure what happens, but once it happens all the sudden it consumes about 0.1% of the available RAM *per* second. I have pinged #moinmoin and hopefully in the morning we will get some feedback what is up. Sorry for the downtime, but given the choice between sagemath.org DOSed by the wiki or no wiki the choice was clear. Cheers, Michael Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 9:43 am, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hi, Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin? Well, this is not a scalability issue, but a bug. And there is more at play here than scalability, i.e. mediawiki is way more work to set up and keep up to date security wise. Just in case: What do you have in mind? Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 8:13 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, the Sage wiki is down for now again since it has been acting up again by consuming up to 23 GB RAM, i.e. pushing itself up to 16 GB into swap. I am not sure what happens, but once it happens all the sudden it consumes about 0.1% of the available RAM *per* second. I have pinged #moinmoin and hopefully in the morning we will get some feedback what is up. Sorry for the downtime, but given the choice between sagemath.org DOSed by the wiki or no wiki the choice was clear. Since the wiki is running now, maybe you could update this message? The issue is still not fixed, so I would wait until we know better. But the way it look right now the wiki will stay up. Also, assuming that the above situation were the case, it would be best to use ulimit to run the wiki, so that it would get auto-killed if it exceeded say 8GB RAM, then just restart it (that would be an easy few-lines script). I did something like that, but limited it to about 1GB. And it has stayed up since without restarts. Something strange is going on here, i.e. his happened twice in a day after many weeks of working fine after the last time we had trouble. I got some thoughts what is wrong, but I will share those later. -- William Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: On Jan 8, 9:43 am, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hi, Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin? Well, this is not a scalability issue, but a bug. And there is more at play here than scalability, i.e. mediawiki is way more work to set up and keep up to date security wise. Just in case: What do you have in mind? Cheers, Michael All the same, MoinMoin scales *horribly*. I didn't have a specific replacement in mind, though over at Fedora we recently transitioned from MoinMoin to Mediawiki specifically because MoinMoin was becoming too slow. If you can get MoinMoin to use a database it might not be so bad but last I heard it only supports flat files for storage. Regards, -- Conrad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 10:16 am, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: SNIP Hi Conrad, Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin? Well, this is not a scalability issue, but a bug. And there is more at play here than scalability, i.e. mediawiki is way more work to set up and keep up to date security wise. Just in case: What do you have in mind? Cheers, Michael All the same, MoinMoin scales *horribly*. Sure, no secret there. But we are getting a couple thousand hits a day on the wiki on a busy day, so scalability is not really a problem. Once we are closer to achieving world domination I guess we would need to reevaluate our options :) I didn't have a specific replacement in mind, though over at Fedora we recently transitioned from MoinMoin to Mediawiki specifically because MoinMoin was becoming too slow. If you can get MoinMoin to use a database it might not be so bad but last I heard it only supports flat files for storage. Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). One example: It has emerged from the AMS 2009 meeting that the installation of the VMWare player is a hurdle many people will not get over, so that is a barrier for the adoption of Sage. While you and me are probably snickering a little since this is trivial most people want to use software, not learn how to install it and so on. Not that you ever claimed anything like this, but it is kind of like gear heads talking about cars: If I get this carburator/shocks/ $INSERT_CAR_PART installed it would be so much better to drive $FOO/ get much better fuel efficiency (note that I don't have any clue about cars), but the vast majority of people use their car to get from point A to B and if the warning lights go on they go to a garage to make somebody else deal with it. But if they had to do difficult tasks to even get a particular brand of car started many of those people would just chose another brand. With Sage we have to get to the same utility level as this and the VMWare image is a problem now, just like using 7zip instead of zip to compress the VMWare image proved a major issue with non-technical users in the past. So even though the zip archive was roughly 60% larger than the 7zip one we switched back to zip. And back then I thought that this was a bad move and we should not cater to users who cannot read the simple README.txt pointing out where to download 7zip and so on, but now I see the error of my ways :) Regards, -- Conrad Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). Hi, out of curiosity: Are there people out there who actually use the wiki from their Sage install? It would never occur to me to do that and I always found it a bit strange that we ship a wiki software. So, are there endusers of the wiki bundled with Sage? Martin -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x8EF0DC99 _otr: 47F43D1A 5D68C36F 468BAEBA 640E8856 D7951CCF _www: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: martinralbre...@jabber.ccc.de --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: On Jan 8, 10:16 am, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't have a specific replacement in mind, though over at Fedora we recently transitioned from MoinMoin to Mediawiki specifically because MoinMoin was becoming too slow. If you can get MoinMoin to use a database it might not be so bad but last I heard it only supports flat files for storage. Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). One example: It has emerged from the AMS 2009 meeting that the installation of the VMWare player is a hurdle many people will not get over, so that is a barrier for the adoption of Sage. While you and me are probably snickering a little since this is trivial most people want to use software, not learn how to install it and so on. Michael Ah, I meant the wiki on the site, not the wiki shipped with Sage. I wasn't aware Sage shipped a wiki -- if it does, MoinMoin certainly makes sense for that. -- Conrad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 12:42 pm, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: Hi, Ah, I meant the wiki on the site, not the wiki shipped with Sage. I wasn't aware Sage shipped a wiki -- if it does, MoinMoin certainly makes sense for that. Yes, I agree that this is a special case. Even though now I think that setting things up independently of Sage might be less work in the long term since we can more easily customize things. On the other hand I don't want to do the work, so I am not seeing this change any time soon. -- Conrad Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 12:29 pm, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote: Hi Martin, Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). Hi, out of curiosity: Are there people out there who actually use the wiki from their Sage install? It would never occur to me to do that and I always found it a bit strange that we ship a wiki software. So, are there endusers of the wiki bundled with Sage? Martin I asked the same question a while back and William told me that there are actually people who installed Sage just for the moinmoin wiki came with it since it just worked. Our version also ships with jsmath already properly configured, so this seems to be a big plus as well. It is certainly not very well advertised that we ship a wiki with Sage and given its size I don't think the benefit of removing it will outweigh its small size. Cheers, Michael -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x8EF0DC99 _otr: 47F43D1A 5D68C36F 468BAEBA 640E8856 D7951CCF _www:http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: martinralbre...@jabber.ccc.de --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
