Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
On the missing platforms the binaries didn't build, mostly because our gcc fails to build. Sage alone should still build. I'm looking at upgrading our gcc package... I'm fine with fewer 32-bit buildbots but we should have some for testing coverage. E.g. only Debian 32-bit, but not Ubuntu. 32-bit is definitely on the way out but my guess would be that Debian is going to be the last distro to drop support... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/e46290b4-1373-4ff3-8521-94f74b11f431%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
Hi On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 12:46, Thierry wrote: > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 11:27:47AM +0100, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > well, perhaps Debian people can comment. We had a great rush with 8.7 > > to meet a Debian deadline, it's be a pity if it was not really useful. > > It was useful: according to [1] buster will ship 8.6, but it is like 8.7 > since they ship a version that is compatible with gap 4.10 and numpy > 1.16 which were the reasons for the 8.7 rush (see [2]). So the current > situation is not so bad. But unless they have plans (and workforce) to > maintain Sage in buster-backports, it will become as obsolete as 7.4 of > stretch with time. > Apologies I mentioned 7.4 earlier, which is of course Debian 9 stretch not Debian 10 buster. Indeed comments above are correct. Still, updated binaries are definitely useful to me. Regards, Jan > Ciao, > Thierry > > [1] > https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sagemath=names=1=all=all > [2] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sage-devel/ztLmB2xWFig/kWk7LGycCQAJ -- .~. /V\ Jan Groenewald /( )\www.aims.ac.za ^^-^^ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAg%3Dp_10P11rXvTVakLq%3Dq-8wtyJ%2BgFMoHre7LOzevFqEGmqBw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 11:27:47AM +0100, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > well, perhaps Debian people can comment. We had a great rush with 8.7 > to meet a Debian deadline, it's be a pity if it was not really useful. It was useful: according to [1] buster will ship 8.6, but it is like 8.7 since they ship a version that is compatible with gap 4.10 and numpy 1.16 which were the reasons for the 8.7 rush (see [2]). So the current situation is not so bad. But unless they have plans (and workforce) to maintain Sage in buster-backports, it will become as obsolete as 7.4 of stretch with time. Ciao, Thierry [1] https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sagemath=names=1=all=all [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sage-devel/ztLmB2xWFig/kWk7LGycCQAJ > IMHO there are ways to use Sage with the experimental packages enabled, > but the details are a bit patchy. I cc to sage-packaging for Debian to > comment. > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:03 AM Jan Groenewald wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 11:54, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >> > >> Well, Debian 10 will be coming with an up to date Sage installable via apt. > >> Do we need to duplicate this? > > > > > > Debian 10 Buster has sage 7.4 from their initial freeze about 6 months ago. > > It will not be updated again during Buster's lifecycle. > > > > In in institute where we teach sage, lecturers (some are even sage > > developers) > > often ask for updated versions. > > > > (Also two recent sage releases I could not even build from source on debian > > 9, did > > not have time to debug it, but I could use the binaries. Since that I've > > not even tried > > to build it again I just add a binary) > > > > Regards, > > Jan > > > > > > > > -- > > .~. > > /V\ Jan Groenewald > > /( )\www.aims.ac.za > > ^^-^^ > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "sage-release" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAg%3Dp_29hfrowOkgNTxyxdVT%3DKa8qGAJVerZZdzbf371-E3_mA%40mail.gmail.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-release" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAWYfq0PAAPn_HdOMya%2B1ZSi345tEJrRzcsL_Ne6tjGqPwPPdw%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/20190703104558.uqu22lm6i76bowtv%40metelu.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
well, perhaps Debian people can comment. We had a great rush with 8.7 to meet a Debian deadline, it's be a pity if it was not really useful. IMHO there are ways to use Sage with the experimental packages enabled, but the details are a bit patchy. I cc to sage-packaging for Debian to comment. On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:03 AM Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Hi > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 11:54, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> Well, Debian 10 will be coming with an up to date Sage installable via apt. >> Do we need to duplicate this? > > > Debian 10 Buster has sage 7.4 from their initial freeze about 6 months ago. > It will not be updated again during Buster's lifecycle. > > In in institute where we teach sage, lecturers (some are even sage developers) > often ask for updated versions. > > (Also two recent sage releases I could not even build from source on debian > 9, did > not have time to debug it, but I could use the binaries. Since that I've not > even tried > to build it again I just add a binary) > > Regards, > Jan > > > > -- > .~. > /V\ Jan Groenewald > /( )\www.aims.ac.za > ^^-^^ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-release" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAg%3Dp_29hfrowOkgNTxyxdVT%3DKa8qGAJVerZZdzbf371-E3_mA%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAWYfq0PAAPn_HdOMya%2B1ZSi345tEJrRzcsL_Ne6tjGqPwPPdw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 12:03:11PM +0200, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Hi > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 11:54, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > Well, Debian 10 will be coming with an up to date Sage installable via apt. > > Do we need to duplicate this? Note that an issue in relying on Sage shipped by Debian, is that many useful optional Sage packages are not available. > Debian 10 Buster has sage 7.4 from their initial freeze about 6 months > ago. It will not be updated again during Buster's lifecycle. One nice possibility, but it relies on Debian Sage maintainers workforce, would be to have Sage in buster-backports. Ciao, Thierry > In in institute where we teach sage, lecturers (some are even sage > developers) > often ask for updated versions. > > (Also two recent sage releases I could not even build from source on debian > 9, did > not have time to debug it, but I could use the binaries. Since that I've > not even tried > to build it again I just add a binary) > > Regards, > Jan > > > > -- > .~. > /V\ Jan Groenewald > /( )\www.aims.ac.za > ^^-^^ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-release" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAg%3Dp_29hfrowOkgNTxyxdVT%3DKa8qGAJVerZZdzbf371-E3_mA%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/20190703101556.dlrdlriiugb6qeyh%40metelu.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
Hi, On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 11:48:06AM +0200, Jan Groenewald wrote: > 4. I'm thinking of dropping the i386 buildbot workers (debian and ubuntu). > Ubuntu almost dropped > 32bit support recently, but after some pushback from the Steam (gaming) and > Wine 32bit (windows > compatibility layer on Linux) they reversed the decision. It will reduce > our 10 virtualised buildbot workers > running on 1 host to 5 only. We very regularly install Linux on fairly old > laptops for students from all over Africa. > We've not seen a 32bit laptop in 2019. Maybe 1 or 2 in 2018 and fewer than > 3 in 2017! > I'd be interested in how many 32bit devices show up at > https://wiki.sagemath.org/days102 > How many times were 32bit vs 64bit downloaded from the mirrors? Is this > info available? > Thoughts? I am still releasing 32bit live USB for Sage, so it is good if this architecture is still officially supported. It helps maintining some pressure on the code quality, and avoid 64bit-specific hardcoded stuff. Ciao, Thierry > Regards, > Jan > > -- > .~. > /V\ Jan Groenewald > /( )\www.aims.ac.za > ^^-^^ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-release" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAg%3Dp_1N_Ewiw9pLQWPVV%2B_32uPYE3gx4eO1X%2BY_eSFnLh0yXA%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/20190703101143.bfsftfmyjcqq34k4%40metelu.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
Hi On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 11:54, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > Well, Debian 10 will be coming with an up to date Sage installable via apt. > Do we need to duplicate this? > Debian 10 Buster has sage 7.4 from their initial freeze about 6 months ago. It will not be updated again during Buster's lifecycle. In in institute where we teach sage, lecturers (some are even sage developers) often ask for updated versions. (Also two recent sage releases I could not even build from source on debian 9, did not have time to debug it, but I could use the binaries. Since that I've not even tried to build it again I just add a binary) Regards, Jan -- .~. /V\ Jan Groenewald /( )\www.aims.ac.za ^^-^^ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAg%3Dp_29hfrowOkgNTxyxdVT%3DKa8qGAJVerZZdzbf371-E3_mA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:48 AM Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Hi > > On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 21:08, Volker Braun wrote: >> >> binaries are now on the way to the mirrors! > > > 1. It looks like Debian 9 is missing? > > 2. Debian 10 "buster" is due for release in 3 days. > There is a Debian 10 buildbot worker at > sagebd10_64s02.aims.ac.za (18046) > Would it be possible to release a sage 8.8 Debian 10 binary? Well, Debian 10 will be coming with an up to date Sage installable via apt. Do we need to duplicate this? > > 3. Ubuntu 14.04 is End-of-Life since 30 April (except for paid ext^H^H^H > limited security maintenance). > I have removed the 14.04 buildbot workers, so from sage-8.9 there won't be > Ubuntu 14.04 binaries. > > 4. I'm thinking of dropping the i386 buildbot workers (debian and ubuntu). > Ubuntu almost dropped > 32bit support recently, but after some pushback from the Steam (gaming) and > Wine 32bit (windows > compatibility layer on Linux) they reversed the decision. It will reduce our > 10 virtualised buildbot workers > running on 1 host to 5 only. We very regularly install Linux on fairly old > laptops for students from all over Africa. > We've not seen a 32bit laptop in 2019. Maybe 1 or 2 in 2018 and fewer than 3 > in 2017! > I'd be interested in how many 32bit devices show up at > https://wiki.sagemath.org/days102 > How many times were 32bit vs 64bit downloaded from the mirrors? Is this info > available? > Thoughts? > > Regards, > Jan > > -- > .~. > /V\ Jan Groenewald > /( )\www.aims.ac.za > ^^-^^ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-release" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAg%3Dp_1N_Ewiw9pLQWPVV%2B_32uPYE3gx4eO1X%2BY_eSFnLh0yXA%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAWYfq3Gj8SjgQ2dvtsxU2SnPeHnB3Wqs5rQ1QWRZzyQ5AbcBw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 8..8 released
Hi On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 21:08, Volker Braun wrote: > binaries are now on the way to the mirrors! > 1. It looks like Debian 9 is missing? 2. Debian 10 "buster" is due for release in 3 days. There is a Debian 10 buildbot worker at sagebd10_64s02.aims.ac.za (18046) Would it be possible to release a sage 8.8 Debian 10 binary? 3. Ubuntu 14.04 is End-of-Life since 30 April (except for paid ext^H^H^H limited security maintenance). I have removed the 14.04 buildbot workers, so from sage-8.9 there won't be Ubuntu 14.04 binaries. 4. I'm thinking of dropping the i386 buildbot workers (debian and ubuntu). Ubuntu almost dropped 32bit support recently, but after some pushback from the Steam (gaming) and Wine 32bit (windows compatibility layer on Linux) they reversed the decision. It will reduce our 10 virtualised buildbot workers running on 1 host to 5 only. We very regularly install Linux on fairly old laptops for students from all over Africa. We've not seen a 32bit laptop in 2019. Maybe 1 or 2 in 2018 and fewer than 3 in 2017! I'd be interested in how many 32bit devices show up at https://wiki.sagemath.org/days102 How many times were 32bit vs 64bit downloaded from the mirrors? Is this info available? Thoughts? Regards, Jan -- .~. /V\ Jan Groenewald /( )\www.aims.ac.za ^^-^^ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-release@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/CAAg%3Dp_1N_Ewiw9pLQWPVV%2B_32uPYE3gx4eO1X%2BY_eSFnLh0yXA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
