RE: I am a Sam user

2003-01-17 Thread Geoff Winkless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not being a programmer, I really do need to leave the list, and just keep in touch via the mag. This is a worry for me: this is meant to be the sam users list and if our discussion topics have gone so off-base that people are thinking of leaving then we should

RE: I am a Sam user

2003-01-17 Thread Adrian Brown
I dont think the discussions need to change, it is any sam related issues are discussed here. There are often non-programming related ones. I trust and hope people wont leave the list just because there were a few programming question. My views anyway - take em, leave em :) A. -Original

RE: I am a Sam user

2003-01-17 Thread Luke Trevorrow
I like the fact that messages come round with all different subjects: Sim Coupe; Vector Graphics; SAM Surveys; User Group ideas. Let's face it, the list was quiet for so long and it is great to see such enthusiasm. Luke -Original Message- From: Geoff Winkless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Graham Goring
Righty, it seems to me that there are a lot more deserving owners of a SAM on this list than myself (ie, people who'll actually use one even if it's just cannibalised and used for surgery). So, I'm giving mine up for adoption (even if the adopters do rip it apart and bury the rest in the

RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Adrian Brown
Although i would love it, im not going to be anywhere near there for a while. What price do you want? Would you be able to just stick it all in a box that i can get a courier to collect? A. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Graham

RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Luke Trevorrow
I would love it too. I am in the Warwickshire area and could also pick it up. Luke -Original Message- From: Graham Goring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 January 2003 10:12 To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent) Righty, it seems to me that

RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Adrian Brown
Then you are more worthy of it - although if there is any duplicate software when you get it, let me know :) they may fill some of my holes :D A. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Luke TrevorrowSent: 17 January 2003 10:26To:

RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Graham Goring
Righty, well I'll have to arrange a time and date when I'm at my mum's ideally for you to grab it (or maybe thereafter if my mum doesn't mind me leaving it somewhere accessable). You're welcome to my stupidly huge collection of discs, too, though I'm not sure that they'll still work. Just

RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Luke Trevorrow
Kool. You can e-mail me off list to discuss. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Luke -Original Message- From: Graham Goring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 January 2003 10:37 To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent) Righty, well I'll have to arrange a

RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Luke Trevorrow
Will do mate. That is very kind of you, although I do feel like we have bothed jumped the gun seeing as most people seem to e-mail in the evenings. Ho hum. Luke -Original Message- From: Adrian Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 January 2003 10:25 To:

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:51:09 - Luke Trevorrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a great idea. It would be nice if you could bolt on different high level languages on top of the IDE, like C that could be compiled to Z80. This would attract more people to develop and test for the SAM.

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Luke Trevorrow
When did they add SAM support? The last time I looked at this I am sure they didn't support it?! Luke -Original Message- From: Frode Tenneboe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 January 2003 11:24 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) On Thu, 16 Jan

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Geoff Winkless
Frode wrote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/z88dk/ C cross-compiler to Z80. SAM Support included. No IDE and no debugger, but I guess SimCoupe could be used as a debugger? The problem is that without an IDE, then a debugger is pretty useless. You need something which will allow you to track

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:07:17 - Geoff Winkless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frode wrote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/z88dk/ C cross-compiler to Z80. SAM Support included. No IDE and no debugger, but I guess SimCoupe could be used as a debugger? The problem is that without an IDE,

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:53:34 - Luke Trevorrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When did they add SAM support? The last time I looked at this I am sure they didn't support it?! I added it a year ago with ansi just in (well, since sourceforge CVS is down't I haven't been able to check that it's

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Geoff Winkless
Frode wrote: You don't NEED that. I have no problems whatsoever having source code in one window and the debugger/simulator in another. Compiling in a third. Actually, I prefer it. You -prefer- it? Why? It simply increases the amount of time and effort you need to take. I know. And tight

Cross Complier n Debugger (Was a thought (was RE: Moment of truth))

2003-01-17 Thread Chris White
The problem is that without an IDE, then a debugger is pretty useless. You need something which will allow you to track the current position of code and refer it back to a particular section of source, and automatically take you to that source. But this could be taken the route SN Systems did

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Chris White
But tight integration = faster development = more software. It's an initial time investment which brings significant long-term benefits. Geoff But I have to disagree here, the coding mostly takes less time than the GFX/Presentation etc, how will intergration help you with that ? By this I mean

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:20:06 - Geoff Winkless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frode wrote: You don't NEED that. I have no problems whatsoever having source code in one window and the debugger/simulator in another. Compiling in a third. Actually, I prefer it. You -prefer- it? Why? It

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Geoff Winkless
Frode wrote: This is a claim I have never seen substantiated. What's to substantiate? With separate systems I need to compile, upload the file somehow to the emulator, run the emulator, run the code. I then need to set up the debugger within the emulator to do exactly what I need (and depending

Re: Moment of truth

2003-01-17 Thread Stuart Brady
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 12:18:26AM -, Adrian Brown wrote: Lets run a little poll. Can people fill in the following and reply Sure. 1) Do you have an actual Sam Coupe: Yes. 2) Does it work? Yes, although I am worried about the disk drive. 3) Do you still use it? A little; I really need

Re: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Matt Shaw
Hi Graham I have been trying to get hold of a SAM for years, and refuse to pay stupid Ebay prices.. I live in Coventry, and therefore can pick it up whenever it is ready. I would also be willing to slip you a note for your nice generosity, and also offer you first refusal on a batch of

RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Graham Goring
Title: RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent) I'm afraid it's already spoken-for by Luke. Sorry. -Original Message- From: Matt Shaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 16:13 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent) Hi Graham I have been trying

RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread Adrian Brown
Title: RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent) Matt, do you already have a sam? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Graham GoringSent: 17 January 2003 16:15To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'Subject: RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent) I'm

Re: Moment of truth

2003-01-17 Thread Stuart Brady
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 10:11:53PM +, Nev Young wrote: 8) Would you develop a title for the sam still? A non games title perhaps. Would you mind expanding on this, please? I'm struggling to find tasks that the SAM would be particularly good at doing. -- Stuart Brady

Re: I am a Sam user

2003-01-17 Thread Stambourne
Hi, Franz, Both, at any rate certainly the ZX, and if I can find the darn thing the NEC. Now whilst I beleive the ZX works OK, I've only ever had the NEC to put its red light on. I have no discs for the NEC, but I think the manuals are around somewhere. are you intrerested? Stafford

Re: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent)

2003-01-17 Thread David
- Original Message - From: Luke Trevorrow To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: RE: Free SAM Coupé (he's innocent) Will do mate. That is very kind of you, although I do feel like we have bothed jumped the gun seeing as most people seem to e-mail in