Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread nev young
Stuart Brady wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 06:13:24PM +0100, Thomas Harte wrote: Oh, I don't know. Surely Sinclair's model works only if you can establish yourself as the supplier of a proprietary computer aimed at the price conscious end of the market? I don't see how that could compete once

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Geoff Winkless
nev young wrote: Stuart Brady wrote: It seems to me that Sir Clive would never have been hugely worried about maintaining a strong position within the market in the long term... of course, that's not to say that he wouldn't have appreciated having a 'cash cow' to fund his other project... Then

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread David Sanders
It seems to me that successive governments since Thatcher have deliberately tried to remove any manufacturing capability from the UK. My belief is the action in the 70s and early 80s by the unions sealed the death knell of British industry; foreign investors were terrified of getting involved

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Geoff Winkless
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:45:36 +0200, David Sanders dsuzukisand...@gmail.com wrote: That's a bit strong. I think foreign investors were already put off by our far higher rates of pay in relation to newer manufacturing opportunities in the far east. To call the workers of the 70s and 80s workshy

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Ian Collier
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 06:13:24PM +0100, Thomas Harte wrote: Oh, I don't know. Surely Sinclair's model works only if you can establish yourself as the supplier of a proprietary computer aimed at the price conscious end of the market? I don't see how that could compete once a growing body of

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Stuart Brady
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:31:25PM +0100, Ian Collier wrote: You say open architecture, but it wasn't supposed to be open when released. Most of the components could be easily copied, however, and Compaq reverse-engineered the IBM BIOS to produce their own 100% compatible machine. How would

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Stuart Brady
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:39:54AM +0100, Geoff Winkless wrote: [snip] The actions of the unions _in the 70s and 80s_ was utterly unreasonable. The idea of a union is that a fair settlement can be reached by having a negotiator who can speak and act on behalf of a large number of people [...]

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Stuart Brady
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:07:21AM +0100, nev young wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of the UK having a manufacturing base. [...] I appreciate that there was a problem there, although I do wonder how long British manufacturing would have remained competitive, in view of some our