Re: Micro Men

2009-10-15 Thread nev young
Stuart Brady wrote: Surely the PC must have already experienced a certain level of success for Compaq to have considered it worth cloning. Was the original IBM PC really that popular, or did the availability of MS-DOS on other non-PC compatible hardware contribute? I would guess that the

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-15 Thread Roger Jowett
hi things i didnt understand they said acorn sold 1.5million machines they said there were around 250,000 unsold acorn electrons didnt sincalir sell 3million speccy your argument about unions? we dont want to subsidise coal production despite in the 80's having 300 years supply then why are we

Re: Re: Micro Men

2009-10-15 Thread Roger Jowett
so none of the spectrum software was compatible with the z80 tube processor fro the beeb? the arc 64 mhz arm processor fro the beeb tube devlopment kit was simply the processor - not the same as an archimedes - without the grpahic capability? the co processors on the beeb were running at the

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread nev young
Stuart Brady wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 06:13:24PM +0100, Thomas Harte wrote: Oh, I don't know. Surely Sinclair's model works only if you can establish yourself as the supplier of a proprietary computer aimed at the price conscious end of the market? I don't see how that could compete once

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Geoff Winkless
nev young wrote: Stuart Brady wrote: It seems to me that Sir Clive would never have been hugely worried about maintaining a strong position within the market in the long term... of course, that's not to say that he wouldn't have appreciated having a 'cash cow' to fund his other project... Then

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread David Sanders
to be living in a country where the poor are pushed around at the whim of large corporations? To the topic, I caught a bit of Micro Men, and the sight of that red tracksuit sent me into peals of laughter. Really though, the UK computer industry had no chance of competing with machines in which USA-sized

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Geoff Winkless
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:45:36 +0200, David Sanders dsuzukisand...@gmail.com wrote: That's a bit strong. I think foreign investors were already put off by our far higher rates of pay in relation to newer manufacturing opportunities in the far east. To call the workers of the 70s and 80s workshy

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Ian Collier
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 06:13:24PM +0100, Thomas Harte wrote: Oh, I don't know. Surely Sinclair's model works only if you can establish yourself as the supplier of a proprietary computer aimed at the price conscious end of the market? I don't see how that could compete once a growing body of

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Stuart Brady
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:31:25PM +0100, Ian Collier wrote: You say open architecture, but it wasn't supposed to be open when released. Most of the components could be easily copied, however, and Compaq reverse-engineered the IBM BIOS to produce their own 100% compatible machine. How would

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Stuart Brady
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:39:54AM +0100, Geoff Winkless wrote: [snip] The actions of the unions _in the 70s and 80s_ was utterly unreasonable. The idea of a union is that a fair settlement can be reached by having a negotiator who can speak and act on behalf of a large number of people [...]

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-14 Thread Stuart Brady
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 07:07:21AM +0100, nev young wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of the UK having a manufacturing base. [...] I appreciate that there was a problem there, although I do wonder how long British manufacturing would have remained competitive, in view of some our

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-13 Thread Thomas Harte
Oh, I don't know. Surely Sinclair's model works only if you can establish yourself as the supplier of a proprietary computer aimed at the price conscious end of the market? I don't see how that could compete once a growing body of manufacturers were transferring to a PC-style open architecture. At

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-13 Thread Stuart Brady
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 06:13:24PM +0100, Thomas Harte wrote: Oh, I don't know. Surely Sinclair's model works only if you can establish yourself as the supplier of a proprietary computer aimed at the price conscious end of the market? I don't see how that could compete once a growing body of

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-10 Thread Thomas Harte
Almost the entire first half hour was set before I was born! I enjoyed it though, even with the slightly weird ending — we're meant to believe that Microsoft, Compaq and HP got a major leg up just because Sir Clive and Chris Curry fell out? And was Sir Clive really that mean? On Sat, Oct 10, 2009

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-10 Thread nev young
Thomas Harte wrote: Almost the entire first half hour was set before I was born! I enjoyed it though, even with the slightly weird ending — we're meant to believe that Microsoft, Compaq and HP got a major leg up just because Sir Clive and Chris Curry fell out? And was Sir Clive really that mean?

Re: Micro Men

2009-10-09 Thread nev young
Dan Dooré wrote: Stefan Drissen wrote: Excellent, that was most enjoyable – thanks for the heads up! The old days eh… J Just watched it off the DVR - it was great to relive the whole Sinclair-Acorn thing whilst not being an excited 12 year old :-) I watched it last night. it was great to

Micro Men

2009-10-08 Thread Dicky
Hello all Have you seen that a BBC drama about 80's computing is on tonight? A bit before Sam's time but only just. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n5b92 Thanks Dicky

RE: Micro Men

2009-10-08 Thread Stefan Drissen
@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Micro Men Hello all Have you seen that a BBC drama about 80's computing is on tonight? A bit before Sam's time but only just. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n5b92 Thanks Dicky