RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:51:09 - Luke Trevorrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a great idea. It would be nice if you could bolt on different high level languages on top of the IDE, like C that could be compiled to Z80. This would attract more people to develop and test for the SAM.

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Luke Trevorrow
When did they add SAM support? The last time I looked at this I am sure they didn't support it?! Luke -Original Message- From: Frode Tenneboe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 January 2003 11:24 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) On Thu, 16 Jan

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Geoff Winkless
Frode wrote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/z88dk/ C cross-compiler to Z80. SAM Support included. No IDE and no debugger, but I guess SimCoupe could be used as a debugger? The problem is that without an IDE, then a debugger is pretty useless. You need something which will allow you to track

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:07:17 - Geoff Winkless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frode wrote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/z88dk/ C cross-compiler to Z80. SAM Support included. No IDE and no debugger, but I guess SimCoupe could be used as a debugger? The problem is that without an IDE,

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:53:34 - Luke Trevorrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When did they add SAM support? The last time I looked at this I am sure they didn't support it?! I added it a year ago with ansi just in (well, since sourceforge CVS is down't I haven't been able to check that it's

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Geoff Winkless
Frode wrote: You don't NEED that. I have no problems whatsoever having source code in one window and the debugger/simulator in another. Compiling in a third. Actually, I prefer it. You -prefer- it? Why? It simply increases the amount of time and effort you need to take. I know. And tight

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Chris White
But tight integration = faster development = more software. It's an initial time investment which brings significant long-term benefits. Geoff But I have to disagree here, the coding mostly takes less time than the GFX/Presentation etc, how will intergration help you with that ? By this I mean

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:20:06 - Geoff Winkless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frode wrote: You don't NEED that. I have no problems whatsoever having source code in one window and the debugger/simulator in another. Compiling in a third. Actually, I prefer it. You -prefer- it? Why? It

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-17 Thread Geoff Winkless
Frode wrote: This is a claim I have never seen substantiated. What's to substantiate? With separate systems I need to compile, upload the file somehow to the emulator, run the emulator, run the code. I then need to set up the debugger within the emulator to do exactly what I need (and depending

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Geoff Winkless
I wrote: It occurred to me that one of the reasons I'm less likely to develop something for the sam is that, although comet is absolutely superb considering the hardware, it's not so easy as a nice (eg) windoze app would be. Sorry, I've just realised I'm being highly selfish in my

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Luke Trevorrow
about this way back in the past. Bob Brenchley would have found a way to rubbish the whole idea no doubt. -Original Message- From: Geoff Winkless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2003 09:36 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) Ian wrote: 8) Would

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Adrian Brown
@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) This is a great idea. It would be nice if you could bolt on different high level languages on top of the IDE, like C that could be compiled to Z80. This would attract more people to develop and test for the SAM. Luke P.S.I would have

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Tobermory
There are several free ide's available, there was one developed for the GBC which was a near z80 chip. Trouble is I still like using comet :D A. Personally, I'm fed up with COMET now. I'm getting too lazy and want it to fix my problems for me. How about an extension to it that

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Adrian Brown
2003 11:23 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth) There are several free ide's available, there was one developed for the GBC which was a near z80 chip. Trouble is I still like using comet :D A. Personally, I'm fed up with COMET now. I'm getting too lazy

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Dave Laundon
Geoff Winkless wrote: It occurred to me that one of the reasons I'm less likely to develop something for the sam is that, although comet is absolutely superb considering the hardware, it's not so easy as a nice (eg) windoze app would be. I've used something called Assembly Studio 8X

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Geoff Winkless
Dave Laundon wrote: Automatic upload from Assembly Studio 8X would be a possibility as it has on output plugin system. Looks neat. The plugin stuff is cute - we could define all the SAM headers and pretend it's a type of calculator ;-) However I was hoping we could go to the level of

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Geoff Winkless
I wrote: For that, we're either going to have to write our own or have access to source. *doh* I've also decided to make the source code available under the GNU General Public License. It will compile under Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 (service pack 2 or higher). I'll take a look, it might be

RE: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Dave Laundon
Geoff Winkless wrote: *doh* I've also decided to make the source code available under the GNU General Public License. It will compile under Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 (service pack 2 or higher). I'll take a look, it might be pretty perfect. Cool :-) I missed that when I had a quick peek at

Re: a thought (was RE: Moment of truth)

2003-01-16 Thread Colin Piggot
Personally, I'm fed up with COMET now. I'm getting too lazy and want it to fix my problems for me. How about an extension to it that automatically colourcodes known opcodes, EQUates and spelling mistakes? Just like they do with my C compiler.-Tob Colourcoding would be very nice - it's so