Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-24 Thread Christoph Kaegi
On 22.07-17:39, John H Terpstra - Samba Team wrote:

 2) 128 KBytes

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-24 Thread Michael Ströder
Charles Marcus wrote:
 On 7/22/2009 7:21 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

 1) 64 KBytes
 2) 128 KBytes
 3) 256 KBytes
 4) 512 KBytes
 5) 1 MByte
 6) 2 MBytes
 7) Any size
 
 None of the above. 20k should be more than enough. Those who wish to share
 more should upload it somewhere and provide a URL to the upload in their list
 mail so that those who actually care about that particular large item can
 load it when they choose, and likely in a browser instead of an email agent.
 Offers to email large attachments privately could be encouraged as well.
 
 I don't know about 20k, but I definitely don't see the need to allow
 large attachments on a large mailing list like this...

The caveat is that things are not archived completely then. URLs get
invalid over time.

 What I would love to find is an easy to install/configure/use mail
 server add-on that would strip off all attachments over a configured
 size (in our business we deal with a lot of large attachments - I have
 to allow a max of 50MB), and drop them on a filesystem, and add a link
 to the email then pass the email on to its destination.

This does not work correctly with signed e-mails I guess.

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-24 Thread Charles Marcus
On 7/24/2009 7:50 AM, Michael Ströder wrote:
 I don't know about 20k, but I definitely don't see the need to allow
 large attachments on a large mailing list like this...

 The caveat is that things are not archived completely then. URLs get
 invalid over time.

Doesn't matter. The main purpose of any large attachments would be very
limited - large backtraces/logs for troubleshooting purposes, and their
utility is short lived.

 What I would love to find is an easy to install/configure/use mail
 server add-on that would strip off all attachments over a configured
 size (in our business we deal with a lot of large attachments - I have
 to allow a max of 50MB), and drop them on a filesystem, and add a link
 to the email then pass the email on to its destination.

 This does not work correctly with signed e-mails I guess.

Perfectly acceptable cost/benefit (for me), since it would only apply to
messages with large attachments.

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-24 Thread Helmut Hullen
Hallo, Michael,

Du meintest am 24.07.09:

 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

 1) 64 KBytes
 2) 128 KBytes

[...]

 The caveat is that things are not archived completely then. URLs get
 invalid over time.

Then you should print out the internet every 4 weeks.
Sorry - I don't like downloading myriads of kbytes only to delete them  
after a short look.

Viele Gruesse!
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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-23 Thread Charles Marcus
On 7/22/2009 7:21 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?
 
 1) 64 KBytes
 2) 128 KBytes
 3) 256 KBytes
 4) 512 KBytes
 5) 1 MByte
 6) 2 MBytes
 7) Any size

 None of the above. 20k should be more than enough. Those who wish to share
 more should upload it somewhere and provide a URL to the upload in their list
 mail so that those who actually care about that particular large item can
 load it when they choose, and likely in a browser instead of an email agent.
 Offers to email large attachments privately could be encouraged as well.

I don't know about 20k, but I definitely don't see the need to allow
large attachments on a large mailing list like this...

64K should be more than enough for basic traffic - anything bigger, as
Felix said, should be uploaded somewhere with a URL link to it, so only
the ones who need it will download it.

Please don't change this limit...

What I would love to find is an easy to install/configure/use mail
server add-on that would strip off all attachments over a configured
size (in our business we deal with a lot of large attachments - I have
to allow a max of 50MB), and drop them on a filesystem, and add a link
to the email then pass the email on to its destination.

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-23 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there,

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 Felix Miata wrote:

 On 2009/07/22 17:39 (GMT-0500) John H Terpstra - Samba Team composed:

  What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

  1) 64 KBytes
  ...
  7) Any size

 None of the above. 20k should be more than enough.

+1

If the posters don't trim their posts, why not do it for them?
They probably top-posted anyway...

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-23 Thread David Christensen
 1) 64 KBytes

Thanks for asking!  :-)


David


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[Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread John H Terpstra - Samba Team
A number of years back it became necessary to limit the size of messages
that could be posted to the samba mailing list. The current limit is 64
KBytes.

While it continues be be desirable to block large spam messages, I
believe it is time to ask current subscribers for their preferences.

This list is here to serve the wishes and needs of our subscribers. We
wonder if the time is right to review the size limit of messages that
can be sent to this list.

Please help us to understand your wishes.

What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

1) 64 KBytes
2) 128 KBytes
3) 256 KBytes
4) 512 KBytes
5) 1 MByte
6) 2 MBytes
7) Any size

Please indicate your preference by reply to this list.

Thanks.

- John T.
List moderator

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread Jonathon Doran

Quoting John H Terpstra - Samba Team j...@samba.org:


What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

1) 64 KBytes


I would hope that larger files would be compressed and put on an  
ftp/web server.

Or send as attachments to individuals on request.
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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread STeve Andre'
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 18:39:53 John H Terpstra - Samba Team wrote:
 A number of years back it became necessary to limit the size of messages
 that could be posted to the samba mailing list. The current limit is 64
 KBytes.

 While it continues be be desirable to block large spam messages, I
 believe it is time to ask current subscribers for their preferences.

 This list is here to serve the wishes and needs of our subscribers. We
 wonder if the time is right to review the size limit of messages that
 can be sent to this list.

 Please help us to understand your wishes.

 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

 1) 64 KBytes
 2) 128 KBytes
 3) 256 KBytes
 4) 512 KBytes
 5) 1 MByte
 6) 2 MBytes
 7) Any size

 Please indicate your preference by reply to this list.

 Thanks.

 - John T.
 List moderator

At least 95% of my spam is really small--they know not to send huge things
so I get pummeled by zillions of small items.  Death by a million feathers.

If people want to send huge attachments (painful, but sometimes the 
only way to get something out quickly) 512K seems that it would accommodate
most needs?

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/07/22 17:39 (GMT-0500) John H Terpstra - Samba Team composed:

 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

 1) 64 KBytes
 2) 128 KBytes
 3) 256 KBytes
 4) 512 KBytes
 5) 1 MByte
 6) 2 MBytes
 7) Any size

None of the above. 20k should be more than enough. Those who wish to share
more should upload it somewhere and provide a URL to the upload in their list
mail so that those who actually care about that particular large item can
load it when they choose, and likely in a browser instead of an email agent.
Offers to email large attachments privately could be encouraged as well.
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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread Kurt Buff
I think 64kb is a fine limit.

pastebin.com and other sites like it are a very good way to handle large files.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 15:39, John H Terpstra - Samba
Teamj...@samba.org wrote:
 A number of years back it became necessary to limit the size of messages
 that could be posted to the samba mailing list. The current limit is 64
 KBytes.

 While it continues be be desirable to block large spam messages, I
 believe it is time to ask current subscribers for their preferences.

 This list is here to serve the wishes and needs of our subscribers. We
 wonder if the time is right to review the size limit of messages that
 can be sent to this list.

 Please help us to understand your wishes.

 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

 1) 64 KBytes
 2) 128 KBytes
 3) 256 KBytes
 4) 512 KBytes
 5) 1 MByte
 6) 2 MBytes
 7) Any size

 Please indicate your preference by reply to this list.

 Thanks.

 - John T.
 List moderator

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread John Drescher
 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

 1) 64 KBytes

There is a 40K limit on the two lists (ivtv-users and ivtv-devel) that
I moderate and I consider this a pretty good limit for most emails. I
usually let a message through if the user is just above otherwise I
instruct him/her to either compress the attachment or post it
somewhere and provide a link.

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 17:39 -0500, John H Terpstra - Samba Team wrote:
 A number of years back it became necessary to limit the size of messages
 that could be posted to the samba mailing list. The current limit is 64
 KBytes.
 While it continues be be desirable to block large spam messages, I
 believe it is time to ask current subscribers for their preferences.
 This list is here to serve the wishes and needs of our subscribers. We
 wonder if the time is right to review the size limit of messages that
 can be sent to this list.
 Please help us to understand your wishes.
 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?
 1) 64 KBytes

+1

Seems like plenty of room to me;  isn't a single typed page ~5KB?  So
64KB is 13 pages,  I know I don't want to read a 13 page message. :)

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread Nick Pappin
I think that half a meg should always be more than enough text even if you
attach a pcap or a log file. If it is going to be over 512K it needs to go
into a bug report.

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On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
 wrote:

 On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 17:39 -0500, John H Terpstra - Samba Team wrote:
  A number of years back it became necessary to limit the size of messages
  that could be posted to the samba mailing list. The current limit is 64
  KBytes.
  While it continues be be desirable to block large spam messages, I
  believe it is time to ask current subscribers for their preferences.
  This list is here to serve the wishes and needs of our subscribers. We
  wonder if the time is right to review the size limit of messages that
  can be sent to this list.
  Please help us to understand your wishes.
  What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?
  1) 64 KBytes

 +1

 Seems like plenty of room to me;  isn't a single typed page ~5KB?  So
 64KB is 13 pages,  I know I don't want to read a 13 page message. :)

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread OPC oota
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 09:10:05PM -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

  What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?
  1) 64 KBytes
 

  LDA   1)
  INR   A
  STA   1)

I think that almost all messages will be 10KB or less. 

FYI.
Japanese Samba mailing list limits 40Kb.

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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread Helmut Hullen
Hallo, Nick,

Du meintest am 22.07.09:

 I think that half a meg should always be more than enough text even
 if you attach a pcap or a log file. If it is going to be over 512K it
 needs to go into a bug report.

Aehemm - 640 kB should be enough! ...

Viele Gruesse!
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Re: [Samba] Request for feedback

2009-07-22 Thread Helmut Hullen
Hallo, John,

Du meintest am 22.07.09:

 What size limit should we observe for messages to this list?

 1) 64 KBytes

Or the traditional 40 kBytes
Longer parts should be presented somewhere on a webside.

And no HTML - please! Sometimes I get my mail per ISDN - then long mail  
is ugly.

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut
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