Re: [Samba] Windows XP SP2 slow printing solution
Hello! Problem still exists. I failed to find the reason, so here are my observations regarding the problem. On Tuesday 16 November 2004 10:16, Walter Willmertinger wrote: Thank you very much, I tried your solution 3 (the http- or URL -printing method). Speed is now very good. [...] Jason Balicki schrieb: Walter Willmertinger wrote: I upgraded to 3.0.8 with no difference in the speed of the printer dialogue and other printer related topics. It is still very, very slow. For example, Adobe 6.0 takes about 10 seconds to show the printer dialogue. So it seems, that the problem is not fixed. I sure think it is a problem in SP2, because I removed already SP2 and all works in normal speed. The problem is that you cannot go around SP2 only if you ignore any MS XP updates. [...] Here's what I've learned: 1) It's NOT universal, and only appears to affect certain printers/ print drivers. I have Canon ImageRunners that have this problem, but I have several HP printers and a Ricoh color laser that doesn't. The Canon printers have the problem no matter what driver I attempt to print with (they support PCL and PostScript.) I've tried every version of both languages that I could get my hands on. True. I use a CANON color driver or a Kyocera KX driver for the KM2530. Allways the same problem. HP drivers from the Windows CD does not have the problem. 2) It IS an issue with Windows XP SP 2 and Samba. If I change either of those, i.e., uninstall SP2 or share the printer on another Windows machine (or use a print method other than smb) the problem goes away. same here. 3) You can work around the problem by printing to CUPS/IPP directly. When setting up the printer select network printer and then select the connect to a printer on the Internet... radio button. Then you can use the url http://servername:631/printers/printername to connect to your printer. This has the distinct drawback of [...] This is a non point 'n print solution... [...] Bret Jordan schrieb: Also if your printers are in a different VLAN check your firewall rules and or router ACLs to make sure the CUPs/Samba server can talk about to the clients correctly. When you do a packet capture you will see what I am talking about. Bret Darrin Yeager wrote: On the printer server, we are running samba 3.0.1, and on the WINS server we are running an older version, 2.2.5. Recently, some of our computers were upgraded to XP SP2. After the upgrade, accessing the samba shared printers from the XP machines was incredibly slow. It would take tens of seconds to even bring up the printer status window, and printing from acrobat could take several minutes. You'll have to upgrade the 3.0.1 box - MS introduced a bug in XP SP2 for printing which samba fixed in the later versions ( 3.0.5 I believe). Look at the release notes for the latest samba version and search for SP2 and you'll see the problem. http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.0.8.html Not mentioned before: 1st. On my system the problem only occurrs, when the client has a local devicemode ! This is created, when the user changes some settings of the printer. The devicemode is located in the registry under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Printers\Connections\servername,printer_name. No more slow down, after deleting the devicemode. Could you please verify, if this is true in your enviroments? 2nd. All drivers I tried out, only have this problem, if they have a large private data field in the devicemode. Maybe the problem is related to this. 3rd. The slow down is a loop through the printer's registry values. In the network trace I can see GetPrinterData calls over and over. Hopefully someone gets an idea, how to work around this MS bug. Greetings, Martin -- Martin Zielinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Development SEH Computertechnik GmbH www.seh.de -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Windows XP SP2 slow printing solution
I think, you found the solution. Although I did not find the entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Printers\Connections\servername,printer_name as this tree was empty! There was no entry for the problematic printer. But I looked the other subkeys DevModePerUser and deleted all keys for this printer. I also find an entry in DevModes2 and Settings, I deleted these also. Now the printing dialogue is opening with MS Word and Adobe in less than one second. If I find anything new maybe after some reboots, I will tell you! Regards, Walter Martin Zielinski schrieb: Hello! Problem still exists. I failed to find the reason, so here are my observations regarding the problem. On Tuesday 16 November 2004 10:16, Walter Willmertinger wrote: Thank you very much, I tried your solution 3 (the http- or URL -printing method). Speed is now very good. [...] Jason Balicki schrieb: Walter Willmertinger wrote: I upgraded to 3.0.8 with no difference in the speed of the printer dialogue and other printer related topics. It is still very, very slow. For example, Adobe 6.0 takes about 10 seconds to show the printer dialogue. So it seems, that the problem is not fixed. I sure think it is a problem in SP2, because I removed already SP2 and all works in normal speed. The problem is that you cannot go around SP2 only if you ignore any MS XP updates. [...] Here's what I've learned: 1) It's NOT universal, and only appears to affect certain printers/ print drivers. I have Canon ImageRunners that have this problem, but I have several HP printers and a Ricoh color laser that doesn't. The Canon printers have the problem no matter what driver I attempt to print with (they support PCL and PostScript.) I've tried every version of both languages that I could get my hands on. True. I use a CANON color driver or a Kyocera KX driver for the KM2530. Allways the same problem. HP drivers from the Windows CD does not have the problem. 2) It IS an issue with Windows XP SP 2 and Samba. If I change either of those, i.e., uninstall SP2 or share the printer on another Windows machine (or use a print method other than smb) the problem goes away. same here. 3) You can work around the problem by printing to CUPS/IPP directly. When setting up the printer select network printer and then select the connect to a printer on the Internet... radio button. Then you can use the url http://servername:631/printers/printername to connect to your printer. This has the distinct drawback of [...] This is a non point 'n print solution... [...] Bret Jordan schrieb: Also if your printers are in a different VLAN check your firewall rules and or router ACLs to make sure the CUPs/Samba server can talk about to the clients correctly. When you do a packet capture you will see what I am talking about. Bret Darrin Yeager wrote: On the printer server, we are running samba 3.0.1, and on the WINS server we are running an older version, 2.2.5. Recently, some of our computers were upgraded to XP SP2. After the upgrade, accessing the samba shared printers from the XP machines was incredibly slow. It would take tens of seconds to even bring up the printer status window, and printing from acrobat could take several minutes. You'll have to upgrade the 3.0.1 box - MS introduced a bug in XP SP2 for printing which samba fixed in the later versions ( 3.0.5 I believe). Look at the release notes for the latest samba version and search for SP2 and you'll see the problem. http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.0.8.html Not mentioned before: 1st. On my system the problem only occurrs, when the client has a local devicemode ! This is created, when the user changes some settings of the printer. The devicemode is located in the registry under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Printers\Connections\servername,printer_name. No more slow down, after deleting the devicemode. Could you please verify, if this is true in your enviroments? 2nd. All drivers I tried out, only have this problem, if they have a large private data field in the devicemode. Maybe the problem is related to this. 3rd. The slow down is a loop through the printer's registry values. In the network trace I can see GetPrinterData calls over and over. Hopefully someone gets an idea, how to work around this MS bug. Greetings, Martin -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Windows XP SP2 slow printing solution
Thank you very much, I tried your solution 3 (the http- or URL -printing method). Speed is now very good. As I run CUPS and always have my local drivers, I have no problem with the non automatic load of printer drivers. But I hope for people which do not meet these conditions, that someone finds a solution to this problem. I still will support with debug logs etc, but as you write I've been met with silence as well Best regards from Germany, Walter Jason Balicki schrieb: Walter Willmertinger wrote: I upgraded to 3.0.8 with no difference in the speed of the printer dialogue and other printer related topics. It is still very, very slow. For example, Adobe 6.0 takes about 10 seconds to show the printer dialogue. So it seems, that the problem is not fixed. I sure think it is a problem in SP2, because I removed already SP2 and all works in normal speed. The problem is that you cannot go around SP2 only if you ignore any MS XP updates. For what it's worth, I've had this same issue and I've been met with silence as well. Also, 10 seconds is child's play, I'd have considered that GOOD. :) I was waiting for 30 seconds or more for print related dialogs to pop up. Here's what I've learned: 1) It's NOT universal, and only appears to affect certain printers/ print drivers. I have Canon ImageRunners that have this problem, but I have several HP printers and a Ricoh color laser that doesn't. The Canon printers have the problem no matter what driver I attempt to print with (they support PCL and PostScript.) I've tried every version of both languages that I could get my hands on. 2) It IS an issue with Windows XP SP 2 and Samba. If I change either of those, i.e., uninstall SP2 or share the printer on another Windows machine (or use a print method other than smb) the problem goes away. 3) You can work around the problem by printing to CUPS/IPP directly. When setting up the printer select network printer and then select the connect to a printer on the Internet... radio button. Then you can use the url http://servername:631/printers/printername to connect to your printer. This has the distinct drawback of not being able to automatically load printer drivers. Of course, you also must be running CUPS as your print backend. Also, I don't know if you can do this with Windows 9x clients, but you shouldn't be running those any more, and you don't have the slow print problem with 9x anyway. :) By using IPP, I've decreased the amount of wait time to near zero. Print related dialogs are near instant at this point. Disclaimer: I have yet to upgrade to 3.0.8 on my production server, I am still at 3.0.7. However, I've set up a test box with 3.0.8 and I have the same issues. HTH, --J(K) Bret Jordan schrieb: Also if your printers are in a different VLAN check your firewall rules and or router ACLs to make sure the CUPs/Samba server can talk about to the clients correctly. When you do a packet capture you will see what I am talking about. Bret Darrin Yeager wrote: On the printer server, we are running samba 3.0.1, and on the WINS server we are running an older version, 2.2.5. Recently, some of our computers were upgraded to XP SP2. After the upgrade, accessing the samba shared printers from the XP machines was incredibly slow. It would take tens of seconds to even bring up the printer status window, and printing from acrobat could take several minutes. You'll have to upgrade the 3.0.1 box - MS introduced a bug in XP SP2 for printing which samba fixed in the later versions ( 3.0.5 I believe). Look at the release notes for the latest samba version and search for SP2 and you'll see the problem. http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.0.8.html -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Windows XP SP2 slow printing solution
I upgraded to 3.0.8 with no difference in the speed of the printer dialogue and other printer related topics. It is still very, very slow. For example, Adobe 6.0 takes about 10 seconds to show the printer dialogue. So it seems, that the problem is not fixed. I sure think it is a problem in SP2, because I removed already SP2 and all works in normal speed. The problem is that you cannot go around SP2 only if you ignore any MS XP updates. Bret Jordan schrieb: Also if your printers are in a different VLAN check your firewall rules and or router ACLs to make sure the CUPs/Samba server can talk about to the clients correctly. When you do a packet capture you will see what I am talking about. Bret Darrin Yeager wrote: On the printer server, we are running samba 3.0.1, and on the WINS server we are running an older version, 2.2.5. Recently, some of our computers were upgraded to XP SP2. After the upgrade, accessing the samba shared printers from the XP machines was incredibly slow. It would take tens of seconds to even bring up the printer status window, and printing from acrobat could take several minutes. You'll have to upgrade the 3.0.1 box - MS introduced a bug in XP SP2 for printing which samba fixed in the later versions ( 3.0.5 I believe). Look at the release notes for the latest samba version and search for SP2 and you'll see the problem. http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.0.8.html -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Dr. Walter Willmertinger CONSYS Gesellschaft für Softwaretechnologie und Systementwicklung mbH Dr. Walter Willmertinger Landsberger Strasse 402 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 81241 MuenchenPhone: 089-589 789 0 Germany Fax: 089-589 789 99 WWW-Homepage: http://www.consys.de So finden Sie zu uns: http://mail.map24.com/consys-muenchen -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Windows XP SP2 slow printing solution
Walter Willmertinger wrote: I upgraded to 3.0.8 with no difference in the speed of the printer dialogue and other printer related topics. It is still very, very slow. For example, Adobe 6.0 takes about 10 seconds to show the printer dialogue. So it seems, that the problem is not fixed. I sure think it is a problem in SP2, because I removed already SP2 and all works in normal speed. The problem is that you cannot go around SP2 only if you ignore any MS XP updates. For what it's worth, I've had this same issue and I've been met with silence as well. Also, 10 seconds is child's play, I'd have considered that GOOD. :) I was waiting for 30 seconds or more for print related dialogs to pop up. Here's what I've learned: 1) It's NOT universal, and only appears to affect certain printers/ print drivers. I have Canon ImageRunners that have this problem, but I have several HP printers and a Ricoh color laser that doesn't. The Canon printers have the problem no matter what driver I attempt to print with (they support PCL and PostScript.) I've tried every version of both languages that I could get my hands on. 2) It IS an issue with Windows XP SP 2 and Samba. If I change either of those, i.e., uninstall SP2 or share the printer on another Windows machine (or use a print method other than smb) the problem goes away. 3) You can work around the problem by printing to CUPS/IPP directly. When setting up the printer select network printer and then select the connect to a printer on the Internet... radio button. Then you can use the url http://servername:631/printers/printername to connect to your printer. This has the distinct drawback of not being able to automatically load printer drivers. Of course, you also must be running CUPS as your print backend. Also, I don't know if you can do this with Windows 9x clients, but you shouldn't be running those any more, and you don't have the slow print problem with 9x anyway. :) By using IPP, I've decreased the amount of wait time to near zero. Print related dialogs are near instant at this point. Disclaimer: I have yet to upgrade to 3.0.8 on my production server, I am still at 3.0.7. However, I've set up a test box with 3.0.8 and I have the same issues. HTH, --J(K) Bret Jordan schrieb: Also if your printers are in a different VLAN check your firewall rules and or router ACLs to make sure the CUPs/Samba server can talk about to the clients correctly. When you do a packet capture you will see what I am talking about. Bret Darrin Yeager wrote: On the printer server, we are running samba 3.0.1, and on the WINS server we are running an older version, 2.2.5. Recently, some of our computers were upgraded to XP SP2. After the upgrade, accessing the samba shared printers from the XP machines was incredibly slow. It would take tens of seconds to even bring up the printer status window, and printing from acrobat could take several minutes. You'll have to upgrade the 3.0.1 box - MS introduced a bug in XP SP2 for printing which samba fixed in the later versions ( 3.0.5 I believe). Look at the release notes for the latest samba version and search for SP2 and you'll see the problem. http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.0.8.html -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Dr. Walter Willmertinger CONSYS Gesellschaft für Softwaretechnologie und Systementwicklung mbH Dr. Walter Willmertinger Landsberger Strasse 402 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 81241 MuenchenPhone: 089-589 789 0 Germany Fax: 089-589 789 99 WWW-Homepage: http://www.consys.de So finden Sie zu uns: http://mail.map24.com/consys-muenchen -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Windows XP SP2 slow printing solution
On the printer server, we are running samba 3.0.1, and on the WINS server we are running an older version, 2.2.5. Recently, some of our computers were upgraded to XP SP2. After the upgrade, accessing the samba shared printers from the XP machines was incredibly slow. It would take tens of seconds to even bring up the printer status window, and printing from acrobat could take several minutes. You'll have to upgrade the 3.0.1 box - MS introduced a bug in XP SP2 for printing which samba fixed in the later versions ( 3.0.5 I believe). Look at the release notes for the latest samba version and search for SP2 and you'll see the problem. http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.0.8.html -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Windows XP SP2 slow printing solution
Also if your printers are in a different VLAN check your firewall rules and or router ACLs to make sure the CUPs/Samba server can talk about to the clients correctly. When you do a packet capture you will see what I am talking about. Bret Darrin Yeager wrote: On the printer server, we are running samba 3.0.1, and on the WINS server we are running an older version, 2.2.5. Recently, some of our computers were upgraded to XP SP2. After the upgrade, accessing the samba shared printers from the XP machines was incredibly slow. It would take tens of seconds to even bring up the printer status window, and printing from acrobat could take several minutes. You'll have to upgrade the 3.0.1 box - MS introduced a bug in XP SP2 for printing which samba fixed in the later versions ( 3.0.5 I believe). Look at the release notes for the latest samba version and search for SP2 and you'll see the problem. http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.0.8.html -- ~~~ Bret Jordan Dean's Office Director of Networking College of Engineering 801.585.3765 University of Utah [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
