[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Alesh Slovak
m. allan noah wrote: I was under the impression that certain scanners also required proprietary plugins, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. Yes. well, its more than just udev, it is also hal .fdi files too. but certainly the distros could compile the script such that its default

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Alesh Slovak
Julien BLACHE wrote: Alesh Slovak alesh.slovak at avasys.jp wrote: We can't use a static rules file because each distro uses slightly different syntax. And even then, we can't keep up with all the changes distros themselves keep making to their udev rules files resulting in breakage nearly

[sane-devel] 6400 dpi on Epson V700?

2009-11-17 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
David Heinrich dh003i at gmail.com writes: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Alessandro Zummo azummo-lists at towertech.it wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:14:34 -0500 David Heinrich dh003i at gmail.com wrote: How do I do that? From the command line, I see the following sane

[sane-devel] Canon Lide 35 - invalid argument

2009-11-17 Thread Joachim Bergerhoff
? Finally, I also try a Lide 20 on Xsane and the error message is about the I/O module. Thanks for all good suggestions ! Joachim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/attachments/20091117/0d440c2c/attachment

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Johannes Meixner
Hello, On Nov 16 08:53 Alesh Slovak wrote (shortened): ... distro policy ... udev rules ... ... We can't use a static rules file because each distro uses slightly different syntax. ... ... changes distros themselves keep making to their udev rules ... ... ... breakage nearly every time ...

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Julien BLACHE
Alesh Slovak alesh.slovak at avasys.jp wrote: that there is a reason many third party SANE backend providers screw up when it comes to scanner permissions. I am not trying to blame Yup, and we all know what those reasons are: - developers that know zilch about UNIX development - developers

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Julien BLACHE
Johannes Meixner jsmeix at suse.de wrote: Hi, What the heck has udev libsane.rules to do with a particular kernel minor version number? That was a change in the USB layer in the kernel that needed a new/modified udev rule to create the device nodes. Now remember that the same people that

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread m. allan noah
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Julien BLACHE jb at jblache.org wrote: Johannes Meixner jsmeix at suse.de wrote: Hi, What the heck has udev libsane.rules to do with a particular kernel minor version number? That was a change in the USB layer in the kernel that needed a new/modified udev

[sane-devel] Canon Lide 35 - invalid argument

2009-11-17 Thread m. allan noah
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Joachim Bergerhoff agimjo at gmail.com wrote: Xsane on Ubuntu 9.10 does recognise my Canon Lide 35 scanner and is ready to work, but gets stuck by this message when attempting a preview or scan: There was no error given here? With or without sudo, scanimage -L

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Johannes Meixner
Hello, On Nov 17 12:42 Julien BLACHE wrote (shortened): Johannes Meixner jsmeix at suse.de wrote: What the heck has udev libsane.rules to do with a particular kernel minor version number? That was a change in the USB layer in the kernel that needed a new/modified udev rule to create the

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Johannes Meixner
Hello, On Nov 17 08:42 m. allan noah wrote (shortened): On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Julien BLACHE jb at jblache.org wrote: Johannes Meixner jsmeix at suse.de wrote: What the heck has udev libsane.rules to do with a particular kernel minor version number? That was a change in the USB

[sane-devel] Canon Lide 35 - invalid argument

2009-11-17 Thread Wolfram Heider
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:48:05 +0100, m. allan noah kitno455 at gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Joachim Bergerhoff agimjo at gmail.com wrote: Xsane on Ubuntu 9.10 does recognise my Canon Lide 35 scanner and is ready to work, but gets stuck by this message when

[sane-devel] Canon Lide 35 - invalid argument

2009-11-17 Thread m. allan noah
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Wolfram Heider wolframheider at web.de wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:48:05 +0100, m. allan noah kitno455 at gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Joachim Bergerhoff agimjo at gmail.com wrote: Xsane on Ubuntu 9.10 does recognise my Canon Lide 35

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Julien BLACHE
m. allan noah kitno455 at gmail.com wrote: Hi, question- If the distro is already producing a modified version of our tool to turn .desc files into whatever format is required, can we not install that tool as part of sane? And, can we not modify it such that it can take arguments to find the

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Julien BLACHE
Johannes Meixner jsmeix at suse.de wrote: Hi, That was a change in the USB layer in the kernel that needed a new/modified udev rule to create the device nodes. Perhaps you misunderstood me. I meant it as an example to show which awkward workarounds are needed to make this thingy hopefully

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread m. allan noah
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Julien BLACHE jb at jblache.org wrote: m. allan noah kitno455 at gmail.com wrote: Hi, question- If the distro is already producing a modified version of our tool to turn .desc files into whatever format is required, can we not install that tool as part of

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Julien BLACHE
m. allan noah kitno455 at gmail.com wrote: Ouch. I don't want us to do anything like that. I wonder if it will be possible for the 'third party' files to avoid using LABEL? We use LABELs already. JB. -- Julien BLACHE http://www.jblache.org jb at

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread m. allan noah
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Julien BLACHE jb at jblache.org wrote: m. allan noah kitno455 at gmail.com wrote: Ouch. I don't want us to do anything like that. I wonder if it will be possible for the 'third party' files to avoid using LABEL? We use LABELs already. I am aware. That is why

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread Julien BLACHE
m. allan noah kitno455 at gmail.com wrote: I am aware. That is why I asked if it is possible for this smaller, third-party files to avoid it. Yes, sorry for that. Complete answer this time around ;) Yes it's possible, if they're short enough. It's really an optimization in our rules file

[sane-devel] As instructed by /etc/udev/rules.d/libsane.rules

2009-11-17 Thread m. allan noah
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Alesh Slovak alesh.slovak at avasys.jp wrote: OK, so this thread has sort of exploded. yes- there is a bit of frustration here :) So the idea so far, is that we want to install the udev/HAL rules generation tool (with some possible modifications) along with