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Today's Topics:
1. Re: RavaNa, the meaning (Vis Tekumalla)
2. Re: RavaNa, the meaning (Sai)
3. Re: RavaNa, the meaning (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:29:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] RavaNa, the meaning
To: Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I am not sure about the rAvaNa derivation either, but the meaning appears to be one
who cries loud, roars, screams, bellows, etc., but not "one who makes you cry." Apte's
(Student's Dictionary) lists the following description under rAvaNa.
a (for adjective) Crying, Screaming, roaring, bewailing.
and NaH (as in rAvaNaH) for N (name). Under rAvaNaH, it says ---
of a celebrated demon, king of Lanka, etc., and so on, but the interesting part is ---
"On one occasion he tried to lift the Kailasa mountain, but Siva pressed it down so as
to crush his fingers under it. He, therefore, hymned Siva for one thousand years so
loudly that the God gave him the name RavaNa....."
As for derivation, I suspect it is on the same lines as juhvAna or AsIna, but I am not
sure.
vishveshvaraH
Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While the meaning looks acceptable, I have some doubts regarding the
derivation. The dhatu is 'ru' and the causative is 'raavayate' (Nijanta).
With the shaanac pratyaya we get raavayamaaNa (who or what is causing to
cry). How could we justify raavaNa?
rAmaH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sai"
To: "Ambujam Raman"
Cc: "sanskrit digest"
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] RavaNashatruH
> rAvaNaH literally means 'one who makes others cry'.
> It is derived from ravaH = sound, yell, cry.
> SatR^i-rAvaNaH = one who makes his enemies cry (i.e., makes them
> miserable).
> - Sai.
>
> Ambujam Raman uvaacha:
> >
> > sa hi maayaabalaH kruuro raavaNaH shatruraavaNaH |
> > maaM mohayati duShtaatmaa piitamaatreva vaaruNi ||
> > (Valmiki RamayaNa YuddhakaaNdaM Canto 36.8)
> >
> >
> > In this verse Sita is complaining to Sarama as to how RavaNa confounds
her like one drunk of liquor with his cruel magic strength. My question is
what is the meaning of the term shatruraavaNaH ?
> > Is it same as raavaNashatruH which as a bahuvrihi would mean enemy of
> > RavaNa? That meaning will not fit well here (note it cannot be a
> > .. snipped ..
>
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:15:06 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] RavaNa, the meaning
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Monier-williams:
<e> rAvaNa
<M> mfn. (fr. Caus.) causing to cry (with gen. or ifc. ; only in this
sense to explain the name of the famous Ra1kshasa
This was confirmed by a panDita too.
rAvaNam
n. the act of screaming &c. MW. ; N. of a Muhu1rta Cat.
- Sai.
Vis Tekumalla uvaacha:
> I am not sure about the rAvaNa derivation either, but the meaning appears to be one
> who cries loud, roars, screams, bellows, etc., but not "one who makes you cry."
> Apte's (Student's Dictionary) lists the following description under rAvaNa.
>
> a (for adjective) Crying, Screaming, roaring, bewailing.
> and NaH (as in rAvaNaH) for N (name). Under rAvaNaH, it says ---
> of a celebrated demon, king of Lanka, etc., and so on, but the interesting part is
> --- "On one occasion he tried to lift the Kailasa mountain, but Siva pressed it down
> so as to crush his fingers under it. He, therefore, hymned Siva for one thousand
> years so loudly that the God gave him the name RavaNa....."
>
> As for derivation, I suspect it is on the same lines as juhvAna or AsIna, but I am
> not sure.
>
> vishveshvaraH
>
> Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While the meaning looks acceptable, I have some doubts regarding the
> derivation. The dhatu is 'ru' and the causative is 'raavayate' (Nijanta).
> With the shaanac pratyaya we get raavayamaaNa (who or what is causing to
> cry). How could we justify raavaNa?
>
> rAmaH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sai"
> To: "Ambujam Raman"
> Cc: "sanskrit digest"
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] RavaNashatruH
>
>
> > rAvaNaH literally means 'one who makes others cry'.
> > It is derived from ravaH = sound, yell, cry.
> > SatR^i-rAvaNaH = one who makes his enemies cry (i.e., makes them
> > miserable).
> > - Sai.
> >
> > Ambujam Raman uvaacha:
> > >
> > > sa hi maayaabalaH kruuro raavaNaH shatruraavaNaH |
> > > maaM mohayati duShtaatmaa piitamaatreva vaaruNi ||
> > > (Valmiki RamayaNa YuddhakaaNdaM Canto 36.8)
> > >
> > >
> > > In this verse Sita is complaining to Sarama as to how RavaNa confounds
> her like one drunk of liquor with his cruel magic strength. My question is
> what is the meaning of the term shatruraavaNaH ?
> > > Is it same as raavaNashatruH which as a bahuvrihi would mean enemy of
> > > RavaNa? That meaning will not fit well here (note it cannot be a
> > > .. snipped ..
> >
>
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] RavaNa, the meaning
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raav has two meanings. One is to cry and the other to make one cry.
raavayati it raavaNah. Like bhUSayati iti bhUSaNam.
So we have raavaNo lokaraavaNah.
There is a musical instrument in Gujrat called raavaNa veeNaa.
Probabaly the English word rave has come the sanskrit raav.
pkr
ai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Monier-williams:
rAvaNa
mfn. (fr. Caus.) causing to cry (with gen. or ifc. ; only in this
sense to explain the name of the famous Ra1kshasa
This was confirmed by a panDita too.
rAvaNam
n. the act of screaming &c. MW. ; N. of a Muhu1rta Cat.
- Sai.
Vis Tekumalla uvaacha:
> I am not sure about the rAvaNa derivation either, but the meaning appears to be one
> who cries loud, roars, screams, bellows, etc., but not "one who makes you cry."
> Apte's (Student's Dictionary) lists the following description under rAvaNa.
>
> a (for adjective) Crying, Screaming, roaring, bewailing.
> and NaH (as in rAvaNaH) for N (name). Under rAvaNaH, it says ---
> of a celebrated demon, king of Lanka, etc., and so on, but the interesting part is
> --- "On one occasion he tried to lift the Kailasa mountain, but Siva pressed it down
> so as to crush his fingers under it. He, therefore, hymned Siva for one thousand
> years so loudly that the God gave him the name RavaNa....."
>
> As for derivation, I suspect it is on the same lines as juhvAna or AsIna, but I am
> not sure.
>
> vishveshvaraH
>
> Ambujam Raman wrote:
> While the meaning looks acceptable, I have some doubts regarding the
> derivation. The dhatu is 'ru' and the causative is 'raavayate' (Nijanta).
> With the shaanac pratyaya we get raavayamaaNa (who or what is causing to
> cry). How could we justify raavaNa?
>
> rAmaH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sai"
> To: "Ambujam Raman"
> Cc: "sanskrit digest"
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] RavaNashatruH
>
>
> > rAvaNaH literally means 'one who makes others cry'.
> > It is derived from ravaH = sound, yell, cry.
> > SatR^i-rAvaNaH = one who makes his enemies cry (i.e., makes them
> > miserable).
> > - Sai.
> >
> > Ambujam Raman uvaacha:
> > >
> > > sa hi maayaabalaH kruuro raavaNaH shatruraavaNaH |
> > > maaM mohayati duShtaatmaa piitamaatreva vaaruNi ||
> > > (Valmiki RamayaNa YuddhakaaNdaM Canto 36.8)
> > >
> > >
> > > In this verse Sita is complaining to Sarama as to how RavaNa confounds
> her like one drunk of liquor with his cruel magic strength. My question is
> what is the meaning of the term shatruraavaNaH ?
> > > Is it same as raavaNashatruH which as a bahuvrihi would mean enemy of
> > > RavaNa? That meaning will not fit well here (note it cannot be a
> > > .. snipped ..
> >
>
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