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Today's Topics:

   1. guru, laghu exceptions from Kumaarasambhava & S.vadha
      (A. R. Srikrishnan)
   2. Quiz 20 answers (Vis Tekumalla)
   3. Re: Quiz 20 answers (Sai)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:26:44 +0530
From: "A. R. Srikrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] guru, laghu exceptions from Kumaarasambhava &
        S.vadha
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          Just  a couple of notes on the exceptions being discussed here:

          1. In the kumaarasambhava verse, mallinaatha opts the version 
"patyudgamaniiya-vastraa".
           2. In shishupaalavadha, the mentioned verse is:
                   "praapya naabhihrada-majjanamaashu prasThitam 
nivasana-grahaNaaya"  (first half).  Here, in "naabhihrada-...", "bhi" 
is laghu despite being followed by "hra"  and hence is an example of the 
exception.

                (Name of this chhandas is 'sammata')

    Thanks !
    Srikrishnan

>   1. Re: laghu-guru (Vis Tekumalla)
>
>
>The kumaarasambhava verse mentioned in Mr. Ramakrishnan's mail is the following. I 
>don't have the shishupaalavadha verse.
> 
>sA ma~Ngala-snAna-vishuddha-gAtrI gR^ihIta-patyudgamanIya-vastrA |
>nirvR^itta-parjanya-jalAbhiShekA praphullakAshA vasudheva reje ||
> 
>(In the old copy I have, there are two footnotes for this verse: (1) patyudgamanIya 
>in the footnote is shown as pratyudgamanIya; and (2) nirvR^itta in the footnote is 
>shown as nivR^itta)
> 
>  
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:52:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Quiz 20 answers
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Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part --------------
Translate into Sanskrit

1. Oh beautiful one! What is the big hurry? After all, the night is not completely 
over.

hey sundari, kimartham eva.m tvarA? aparinirvANo ratriH khalu.-------Vis Tekumalla

Hey! sundari! kimadhunaa thvarasi? Raathrih na  sampurnaa gataa kila?----PK 
Ramakrishnan
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2.  Malati has such a noble nature. 

atyudAra-prakR^itir-mAlatI.---------Vis Tekumalla

Maalatii atiiva aarya-hridayaa vartate.-----PK Ramakrishnan
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3. The boy when he sees the girl will find her attractive. 

ramaNIya.m hi kanyAm avalokayiSyati varaH.------Vis Tekumalla

varah vadhor dasrshana samaye taam athiiva priyaruupaaM drakSyati.----PK Ramakrishnan
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4. Please complete with your own  third line:

amR^ita.m shishire vahnir 
amR^ita.m priyadarshanAm |
amR^ita.m rAjasa.mmAnam ----- Original (Panchatantram) 
amR^ita.m kShIrabhojanam ||

amR^ita.m shishire vahnir 
amR^ita.m priyadarshanAm |
amR^ita.m  pika-kUjitam---------- Vis Tekumalla 
amR^ita.m kShIrabhojanam ||

amR^ita.m shishire vahnir 
amR^ita.m priyadarshanAm.
amR^ita.m  mallikaagandhaM-----------PK Ramakrishnan 
amR^ita.m kShIrabhojanam..|

The laghu guru pattern of 
amR^ita.m  mallikaagandhaM     (3rd paada)
1 1 2   2 1 2 2 2

Though the fifth syllable is lli it is a short vowel.
The effect of the joint consonant goes to the preceding letter ma. 
Please look at the third paada of the 2nd shloka Canto 1 of Raghuvamsa.

titiirSuH dustaraM mOhAT
1 2 2   2 1 2 2 2 2 

The firth letter sta though a joint letter it is a laghu (a short vowel). The effect 
of its being joint letter goes to the previous letter du.
I hope the explanation is clear.  
 
Now just how I tried to give the answer to the quizz.
 
The first relates to the indriya of skin.(tvak)
The second relates to the indriya of sight (chakSu)
The fourth relates to the indriya of taste  (jihvaa)
So I wanted the third paada to relate to another indriya say ghraaNa - so gandhaM.  I 
tried several words like kastuuri and so on.  Only mallikaa fitted.
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Translate into English:

5.  priyArAma hi sarvathA vaidehyAsIt. 

Vaidehi (Seeta) was always fond of woods (natural settings)--------Vis Tekumalla

Vaidiehii(sitaa) was always beloved and delightful. Is it not?-----PK Ramakrishnan 
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6. yathAha.m bhavadbhyA.m sah AkAshavartamanAyAmi, sa upAyo vidhIyatAm 

Find a way for me to accomany the two of you on the flight. ------- Vis Tekumalla

Tell me how I can get to you both the Radio news.-------PK Ramakrishnan
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7. shlokaH  (Please translate into English)

darshane sparshane vApi shravaNe bhaShaNe.api vA |
yatra dravatyanra~Nga.m sa sneha iti kathyate ||

Vis Tekumalla:

darshane = in seeing; sparshane = in touching; vA = or; api = also; shravaNe = in 
hearing; bhaShaNe = in talking; api = also; vA = or; yatra = where; dravati = melts; 
antara~Nga.m = heart/soul; sa = that; sneha = love/affection; iti = as; kathyate = is 
said

Where seeing, touching, or listening to, or conversing (with the other person) melts 
(your) heart, it is said to be love/affection.

That is love when some sees, touches, hears from or talks to one, whereby the heart 
melts.-----PK Ramakrishnan
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Fun Question 

8.  jayadevakR^ita gItAgovinda kAvye kati pAtrANi santi? teShA.m na nAmAni ke? tad 
kAvye kati aShTapadyaH santi? 

(How many characters are in  Jayadeva's Gitagovindam? What are their names? How many 
ashtapadi songs are in that poetic work?)

Vis Tekumalla:

gItAgovinda kAvye kevala.m trINi pAtrANi santi - rAdhA-kR^iShNau cha sakhI cha. yathA 
tad madhura gIta.m -

nindati chandana-mindukiraNa-manu vindati kheda-madhIram |
vyAla nilaya milanena garala-miva kalayati malaya samIram |
..............................................................
sA virahe tava dInA 

- sakhyAH gItameva. tad kAvye dvAdasha (12) sargAH, chatush-vi.mshati (24)  
aShTapadyaH cha santi.

In Gitagovindam there are only three characters - Radha, Krishna, and Sakhi. For 
example, it is Sakhi who sings that lovely song 
'nindati-chandana-mindu-kiraNa-manuvindati khedam-adheeram......saa virahe tava 
deenaa.' In that poetic work, there are twelve (12) cantos and twenty-four (24) 
ashtapadi songs. 

PK Ramakrishnan:

There are 24 ashtapadies.

Characters.  13.

1. saamodadaamodarah
2. akleshakeshavaH
3. mugdhamadhusuudanaH
4. snigdhamadhusuudanaH
5. saakaangkSpundariikaakSaH
6. dhanyavaikunTakumkumaH
7. naaganaaraayaNah
8. vilakSyalakSmiipatiH
9. mugdhamukundaH
10. chatura     chaturbhujaH
11. saanandadaamodaraH
12. supriitapiitambaraH
13. raadhaa  or raadhikaa 
                                  
I am not sure whether the 10 avataraas are to be treated as characters.  They are not 
included.

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:24:42 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Quiz 20 answers
To: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Shouldn't it be 
    priyArAmA hi sarvathA vaidehyAsIt
            ^
meaning, Vaidehi (Sita) was, by all means (in every way), a lover of
gardens/groves, isn't it?
- Sai.

Vis Tekumalla uvaacha:
> Translate into English:
> 
> 5.  priyArAma hi sarvathA vaidehyAsIt. 
> 
> Vaidehi (Seeta) was always fond of woods (natural settings)--------Vis Tekumalla
> 
> Vaidiehii(sitaa) was always beloved and delightful. Is it not?-----PK Ramakrishnan 
> __________________________________________________________________  

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