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Today's Topics:
1. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Sai Susarla)
2. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(krishna kaushik)
3. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(balram shukla)
4. Take back yoga (Padma Kuppa)
5. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(ramesh varanasi)
6. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Shobha Saraiya)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:12:56 +0530
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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I'd like to end this discussion at this point by acknowledging that we
have very divergent opinions on this topic. And that's perfectly fine.
Let's move on.
- Sai.
Gargeshwari Ajit wrote:
> Sri Dhananjay Mahodaya, exactly expresses what every ordinary person
> feels about the language. Its a false claim to say sanskrit is any
> speakers or readers mothertongue. one can ask any expert on this. It
> is one thing to make a child or group speak a language artificially
> and another to learn a language naturally by listning and being to
> able to continuously modify and evolve a language.( Speaking and
> writing is one thing totally different from thinking in a
> language) One may find equivalent for several english words in
> sanskrit but if one translates foreign words into sanskrit just to
> make sanskrit usefull may not serve any purpose.
>
> The language was not widely and understood because the so called
> custodians of the language didnot do their job well in the past. I
> think even in the ancient times and middle ages no one said sanskrit
> was their mother tongue because women were forbidden to learn
> sanskrit. ( They only claimed divinity for the language).One may quote
> isolated cases of women rishis and scholars but that will prove
> nothing much.
> How can a language evolve and grow natuarally when women who teach
> their children a language were not allwed to hear or learn a language.
> Now when modern sholarship and research has found out the greatness of
> the language a few isolated efforts are being made to save the
> language which is good.
> In my view if one wants more people to study learn and appriciate this
> great language then more and more scholars will have come out of their
> scholarly chairs and popularise the language at elementary schools,
> collage and university levels Everyone of us who love the language
> need to encourage more and more people to speak and study in that
> language in a simple and easy way. If an individual or a small set of
> people can speak or write in sanskrit language the numbers will never
> be of any relavence to any census. Goverment policies change if common
> will of the a large number of people is demonstrated in learning,
> speaking and studing is sanskrit language and not just by passoionate
> appeals or just by glorifing a paninini or Chanakya. If one reads
> sanskrit literature philosophy and works of science there hundreds
> more who existed do exist whose contribution is no meager.
> I can write ans speak more if members are interested
>
> Ajit A Gargeshwari
> "Truth is ONE without a second"
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 20/4/10, Sai Susarla /<sai.susa...@gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
> Census form
> To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, 20 April, 2010, 10:17 AM
>
> I am going to write only in sanskrit just to keep this discussion
> more
> relevant to this Sanskrit mailing list.
>
> ahaM Samskritam sukhena vaktum shaknomi vaa na vaa iti nirNayaM kaH
> karoti? aham vaa, anyaH ko.api vaa?
> yadi bhaaratiiya sarkaaraH kartum icChati tarhi pratyekasya
> pariikShaa
> kartavyaa, jana-gaNanaayaaH pUrvaM |
> api cha, aham maatR^ibhaaShaayaam niShNaataH chedeva taam
> maatribhaaShaa
> rUpeNa claim kartum shaknomi chet
> lakShashaH janaaH asatyam vadanti idaaniim | ahaM bahuun janaan
> jaanaami, ye telugu janaaH parantu samyak telugu vaktum na
> shaknuvanti
> (paThanam, lekhanam tyajatu) | telugu bhaaShaayaaH apekShayaa aangle
> praaviiNyam adhikam | te sarve english is my mother tongue iti
> vadeyuH vaa?
>
> api cha, bhavataH saamarthyaM adhikR^itya katham anyeShaaM
> saamarthyam
> estimate kartum shaknoti ?
> bhavaan ko bhavati anyaiH census madhye kim vaktavyamiti nirNetum?
>
> yadi bhavaan samskritam maatR^ibhaaShaa iti na manyate tarhi saH
> bhavataH vyaktigata nirNayaH | generalize maa karotu |
> - Sai.
>
>
> Mukesh Goel wrote:
> > Dhananjay Mahodaya,
> >
> > I agree with you and I wonder how many people in India would truly
> > claim that Sanskrit is the most comfortable language for them to
> > express all their emotions/thoughts (not just merely being able to
> > manage)...Because I think that is one of the criterion for being a
> > mother tongue.
> > Also I think that Sanskrit, as the almost perfect language it is,
> > probably can't be the mother-tongue. My reasoning is simple.
> Languages
> > evolve over time and if Sanskrit is always defined by rules laid
> down
> > by Panini (no matter however grand these sutras are and poets have
> > expressed so many different branches of knowledge in Sanskrit
> that it
> > is just amazing to see the capability of the language), it is
> > difficult to imagine it as a mother tongue. Another aspect of
> > evolution of the language is that different words in different
> regions
> > mean slightly different things and then there are different
> jargons,
> > which change the meanings with time and place and still are
> classified
> > under that language.
> > e.g. in Hindi a similar-in-meaning sentence can be expressed in
> > following ways and probably many more..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????
> > 2. ??? ??? ???? ??? ???
> > 3. ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??
> > 4. ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??
> >
> > Not sure what would be sanskrit equivalents of these and how well
> > would they convey the sense of informality. If you speak these
> > sentences to Hindi speaking people almost everybody can
> understand the
> > meaning and sense of formality/closeness, these convey. If somebody
> > speaks equivalent of these in Sanskrit, would all the
> > Sanskrit-speaking people would have the same understanding. Of
> course
> > I have only given 4 variations but I am sure people can easily
> come up
> > with at least a dozen variations.
> >
> > I have heard that their are children who only speak sanskrit. I
> wonder
> > if there are such 6-7 year old children, only speaking sanskrit;
> would
> > they have the same amount of vocabulary and thought expression
> > capability as other kids in the same age group, who e.g. know
> English
> > as their primary language. These kids can make presentations, make
> > jokes, prepare project report, play games on the internet, make
> > friends, pick a quarrel etc. Not sure how many of all these
> varieties
> > can be performed by only-sanskrit-speaking-kids.
> >
> > Mukesh
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:32:54 -0700
> > From: deejayvai...@yahoo.com
> <http://in.mc76.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deejayvai...@yahoo.com>
> > To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
> <http://in.mc76.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sansk...@cs.utah.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
> > Census form
> >
> > For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually
> > accurate statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
> >
> > I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other
> > Indian languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
> >
> > I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank
> > than the three languages mentioned above would be merely lying
> on my
> > part.
> >
> > It would be different if the census form had a field for "what
> > languages would you like to speak in addition to your current
> skills?"
> > In that case I might consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of
> > languages.
> >
> > Dhananjay
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 04:16:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: krishna kaushik <krishna4kris...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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From: Vidya R <imarch...@yahoo.com>
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Sent: Tue, 20 April, 2010 1:40:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
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saMskRutena chintayAmi api | ?ahaM saMskRtena vadAmi chet katichana-janAnAm
avagamanArthaM mayA etasya sandeshasya anuvAdaH api karaNIyaH | ?parIkShArtham
aham atra anuvadaM na karomi | ?anuvAdaM vinA charchA bhavati chet avagamyate
kati janaiH sambhAShaNaM kartuM shakyate iti| ?atra ekaM laghu gaNanaM kurmaH |?
asmin gaNe ye janAH sambhAShaNaM kartum shaknuvanti kRupayA gaNaM prati
e-patraM preShayantu, athavA sanskrit-ow...@cs.utah.edu prati preShayantu.
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vidyA
________________________________
From: Jay Vaidya <deejayvai...@yahoo.com>
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 9:32:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually accurate
statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other Indian
languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank than the
three languages mentioned above would be merely lying on my part.
It would be different if the census form had a field for "what languages would
you like to speak in addition to your current skills?" In that case I might
consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of languages.
Dhananjay
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:00:43 +0530
From: balram shukla <shuklabalra...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
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samyak charchaa ! VARDDHATAAM DEVA BHAASHAA!!!!
2010/4/20 krishna kaushik <krishna4kris...@yahoo.com>
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> ?????
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Vidya R <imarch...@yahoo.com>
> *To:* Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> *Sent:* Tue, 20 April, 2010 1:40:03 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census
> form
>
> ???? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ???
> ????????? ????????? ??? ? ??? ????????? ????? ???? ?????-??????? ??????????
> ??? ????? ????????? ??????? ??? ?????? ? ???????????? ???? ???? ?????? ?
> ????? ? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ??????
> ?????? ????
>
> ??????? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ????? ??? ????? ?-?????
> ??????????, ???? sanskrit-ow...@cs.utah.edu ????? ??????????| ??? ??????
> ?
>
> atra avagamanaM kimarthaM kaThinam? mayA sambhAShaNaM kartum shakyate |
> ahaM saMskRutena chintayAmi api | ahaM saMskRtena vadAmi chet
> katichana-janAnAm avagamanArthaM mayA etasya sandeshasya anuvAdaH api
> karaNIyaH | parIkShArtham aham atra anuvadaM na karomi | anuvAdaM vinA
> charchA bhavati chet avagamyate kati janaiH sambhAShaNaM kartuM shakyate
> iti| atra ekaM laghu gaNanaM kurmaH |
>
> asmin gaNe ye janAH sambhAShaNaM kartum shaknuvanti kRupayA gaNaM prati
> e-patraM preShayantu, athavA sanskrit-ow...@cs.utah.edu prati preShayantu.
> vayaM gaNayAmaH |
>
> vidyA
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jay Vaidya <deejayvai...@yahoo.com>
> *To:* sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
> *Sent:* Mon, April 19, 2010 9:32:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census
> form
>
> For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually accurate
> statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
>
> I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other Indian
> languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
>
> I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank than the
> three languages mentioned above would be merely lying on my part.
>
> It would be different if the census form had a field for "what languages
> would you like to speak in addition to your current skills?" In that case I
> might consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of languages.
>
> Dhananjay
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> To UNSUBSCRIBE or customize your subscription or topics of interest, visit
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:57:11 -0400
From: Padma Kuppa <padma.ku...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Take back yoga
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Namaste. As a student of Sanskrit I found this interesting and thought to
bring to the group's attention.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/2010/04/nearly_twenty_million_people_in.html
Padma Kuppa
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:01:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: ramesh varanasi <rameshon...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
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I do not understand why we have to deviate the topic to "some sections of
people not being allowed to learn Sanskrit". This is total unnecessary and
uncalled for.
Although I think that this theory is a total hogwash and heights of ignorance,
I request all to focus on the topic and this forum was never designed as a
platform to discuss such things.
Hope common sense prevails.
Ramesh Varanasi
--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:07 AM
Sri Dhananjay Mahodaya, exactly expresses what every ordinary person feels
about the language. Its a false claim to say sanskrit is any speakers or
readers?mothertongue. one can ask any expert?on this. It is one thing to make a
child or group speak a language artificially and another to learn a language
naturally by listning and being to able to continuously modify and evolve a
language.( Speaking and writing is one thing totally different from thinking in
a language)?One may find equivalent for several english words in sanskrit but
if one translates foreign words into sanskrit just to make sanskrit usefull may
not serve any purpose.
?
The language?was not widely and understood because the so called custodians of
the language didnot do their job well in the past. I think even in the ancient
times and middle ages no one said sanskrit was their mother tongue because
women were forbidden to learn sanskrit. ( They only claimed divinity for the
language).One may quote isolated cases of women rishis and scholars but that
will prove nothing much.
?How can a language evolve and grow natuarally when women who teach their
children a language were not allwed to hear or learn a language. Now when
modern sholarship and research has found out the greatness of the language a
few isolated efforts are being made to save the language which is good.
In my view if one wants more people to study learn and appriciate this great
language then more and more scholars will have come out of their scholarly
chairs and popularise the language at elementary schools, collage and
university levels Everyone of us who love the language need to encourage more
and more people to speak and study in that language in a simple and easy way.
If an individual or a small set of people can speak or write in sanskrit
language the numbers will never be of any relavence to any census. Goverment
policies change if common will of the a large number of people is demonstrated
in learning, speaking and studing is sanskrit language and not just by
passoionate appeals or just by glorifing a paninini or Chanakya. If one reads
sanskrit literature philosophy and works of science there hundreds more who
existed do exist whose contribution is no meager.
I can write ans speak more if members are interested
?
?Ajit A Gargeshwari
"Truth is?ONE without a second"
--- On Tue, 20/4/10, Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 20 April, 2010, 10:17 AM
I am going to write only in sanskrit just to keep this discussion more
relevant to this Sanskrit mailing list.
ahaM Samskritam sukhena vaktum shaknomi vaa na vaa iti nirNayaM kaH
karoti? aham vaa, anyaH ko.api vaa?
yadi bhaaratiiya sarkaaraH kartum icChati tarhi pratyekasya pariikShaa
kartavyaa, jana-gaNanaayaaH pUrvaM |
api cha, aham maatR^ibhaaShaayaam niShNaataH chedeva taam maatribhaaShaa
rUpeNa claim kartum shaknomi chet
lakShashaH janaaH asatyam vadanti? idaaniim | ahaM bahuun janaan
jaanaami, ye telugu janaaH parantu samyak telugu vaktum na shaknuvanti
(paThanam, lekhanam tyajatu) | telugu bhaaShaayaaH apekShayaa aangle
praaviiNyam adhikam | te sarve english is my mother tongue iti vadeyuH vaa?
api cha, bhavataH saamarthyaM adhikR^itya katham anyeShaaM saamarthyam
estimate kartum shaknoti ?
bhavaan ko bhavati anyaiH census madhye kim vaktavyamiti
nirNetum?
yadi bhavaan samskritam maatR^ibhaaShaa iti na manyate tarhi saH
bhavataH vyaktigata nirNayaH | generalize maa karotu |
- Sai.
Mukesh Goel wrote:
> Dhananjay Mahodaya,
>?
> I agree with you and I wonder how many people in India would truly
> claim that Sanskrit is the most comfortable language for them to
> express all their emotions/thoughts (not just merely being able to
> manage)...Because I think that is one of the criterion for being a
> mother tongue.
> Also I think that Sanskrit, as the almost perfect language it is,
> probably can't be the mother-tongue. My reasoning is simple. Languages
> evolve over time and if Sanskrit is always defined by rules laid down
> by Panini (no matter however grand these sutras are and? poets have
> expressed so many different branches of knowledge in Sanskrit that it
> is just amazing
to see the capability of the language), it is
> difficult to imagine it as a mother tongue. Another aspect of
> evolution of the language is that different words in different regions
> mean slightly different things and then there are different jargons,
> which change the meanings with time and place and still are classified
> under that language.
> e.g. in Hindi a similar-in-meaning sentence can be expressed in
> following ways and probably many more..
>
>
>?
>
> 1. ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????
> 2. ??? ??? ???? ??? ???
> 3. ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??
> 4. ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??
>?
> Not sure what would be sanskrit equivalents of
these and how well
> would they convey the sense of informality. If you speak these
> sentences to Hindi speaking people almost everybody can understand the
> meaning and sense of formality/closeness, these convey. If somebody
> speaks equivalent of these in Sanskrit, would all the
> Sanskrit-speaking people would have the same understanding. Of course
> I have only given 4 variations but I am sure people can easily come up
> with at least a dozen variations.
>?
> I have heard that their are children who only speak sanskrit. I wonder
> if there are such 6-7 year old children, only speaking sanskrit; would
> they have the same amount of vocabulary and thought expression
> capability as other kids in the same age group, who e.g. know English
> as their primary language. These kids can make presentations, make
> jokes, prepare project report, play games on
the internet, make
> friends, pick a quarrel etc. Not sure how many of all these varieties
> can be performed by only-sanskrit-speaking-kids.
>?
> Mukesh
>?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:32:54 -0700
> From: deejayvai...@yahoo.com
> To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
> Census form
>
> For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually
> accurate statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
>
> I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other
> Indian languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
>
> I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank
> than the three languages mentioned above would be merely lying on my
> part.
>
> It would be different if the census form had a field for "what
> languages would you like to speak in addition to your current skills?"
> In that case I might consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of
> languages.
>
> Dhananjay
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:11:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shobha Saraiya <shobhy...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
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Namaste,
?
Dear? readers & all the Sanskrit scholars ?to this Great mailing list I am
grateful to be the part of this list.
?
I agree with Sai Susarla mahodaya.? Though not able to write in Sanskrit yet
so I will write in English.
?
I feel it is perfectly alright to add Sanskrit as one of the spoken language in
the Census form I did.
As ?a student of Sanskrit as well as the? karyakarta to promote my Ancient
language any way I can.
In fact ?we are helping the Census Bureau know the Increasing ?popularity &
importance of this language,
which they might not be aware of it .
?
If anyone feels guilty that they are not telling the truth........that is not
the case at all.? I think we are telling the truth
?
Exa. ?Some people do not speak English with correct grammar though they still
add English as one of the language they speak.
?
Hari Om
shobha
?
________________________________
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 6:42:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
I'd like to end this discussion at this point by acknowledging that we
have very divergent opinions on this topic. And that's perfectly fine.
Let's move on.
- Sai.
Gargeshwari Ajit wrote:
> Sri Dhananjay Mahodaya, exactly expresses what every ordinary person
> feels about the language. Its a false claim to say sanskrit is any
> speakers or readers mothertongue. one can ask any expert on this. It
> is one thing to make a child or group speak a language artificially
> and another to learn a language naturally by listning and being to
> able to continuously modify and evolve a language.( Speaking and
> writing is one thing totally different from thinking in a
> language) One may find equivalent for several english words in
> sanskrit but if one translates foreign words into sanskrit just to
> make sanskrit usefull may not serve any purpose.
>?
> The language was not widely and understood because the so called
> custodians of the language didnot do their job well in the past. I
> think even in the ancient times and middle ages no one said sanskrit
> was their mother tongue because women were forbidden to learn
> sanskrit. ( They only claimed divinity for the language).One may quote
> isolated cases of women rishis and scholars but that will prove
> nothing much.
>? How can a language evolve and grow natuarally when women who teach
> their children a language were not allwed to hear or learn a language.
> Now when modern sholarship and research has found out the greatness of
> the language a few isolated efforts are being made to save the
> language which is good.
> In my view if one wants more people to study learn and appriciate this
> great language then more and more scholars will have come out of their
> scholarly chairs and popularise the language at elementary schools,
> collage and university levels Everyone of us who love the language
> need to encourage more and more people to speak and study in that
> language in a simple and easy way. If an individual or a small set of
> people can speak or write in sanskrit language the numbers will never
> be of any relavence to any census. Goverment policies change if common
> will of the a large number of people is demonstrated in learning,
> speaking and studing is sanskrit language and not just by passoionate
> appeals or just by glorifing a paninini or Chanakya. If one reads
> sanskrit literature philosophy and works of science there hundreds
> more who existed do exist whose contribution is no meager.
> I can write ans speak more if members are interested
>?
>? Ajit A Gargeshwari
> "Truth is ONE without a second"
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 20/4/10, Sai Susarla /<sai.susa...@gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>? ? From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
>? ? Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
>? ? Census form
>? ? To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
>? ? Date: Tuesday, 20 April, 2010, 10:17 AM
>
>? ? I am going to write only in sanskrit just to keep this discussion
>? ? more
>? ? relevant to this Sanskrit mailing list.
>
>? ? ahaM Samskritam sukhena vaktum shaknomi vaa na vaa iti nirNayaM kaH
>? ? karoti? aham vaa, anyaH ko.api vaa?
>? ? yadi bhaaratiiya sarkaaraH kartum icChati tarhi pratyekasya
>? ? pariikShaa
>? ? kartavyaa, jana-gaNanaayaaH pUrvaM |
>? ? api cha, aham maatR^ibhaaShaayaam niShNaataH chedeva taam
>? ? maatribhaaShaa
>? ? rUpeNa claim kartum shaknomi chet
>? ? lakShashaH janaaH asatyam vadanti? idaaniim | ahaM bahuun janaan
>? ? jaanaami, ye telugu janaaH parantu samyak telugu vaktum na
>? ? shaknuvanti
>? ? (paThanam, lekhanam tyajatu) | telugu bhaaShaayaaH apekShayaa aangle
>? ? praaviiNyam adhikam | te sarve english is my mother tongue iti
>? ? vadeyuH vaa?
>
>? ? api cha, bhavataH saamarthyaM adhikR^itya katham anyeShaaM
>? ? saamarthyam
>? ? estimate kartum shaknoti ?
>? ? bhavaan ko bhavati anyaiH census madhye kim vaktavyamiti nirNetum?
>
>? ? yadi bhavaan samskritam maatR^ibhaaShaa iti na manyate tarhi saH
>? ? bhavataH vyaktigata nirNayaH | generalize maa karotu |
>? ? - Sai.
>
>
>? ? Mukesh Goel wrote:
>? ? > Dhananjay Mahodaya,
>? ? >
>? ? > I agree with you and I wonder how many people in India would truly
>? ? > claim that Sanskrit is the most comfortable language for them to
>? ? > express all their emotions/thoughts (not just merely being able to
>? ? > manage)...Because I think that is one of the criterion for being a
>? ? > mother tongue.
>? ? > Also I think that Sanskrit, as the almost perfect language it is,
>? ? > probably can't be the mother-tongue. My reasoning is simple.
>? ? Languages
>? ? > evolve over time and if Sanskrit is always defined by rules laid
>? ? down
>? ? > by Panini (no matter however grand these sutras are and? poets have
>? ? > expressed so many different branches of knowledge in Sanskrit
>? ? that it
>? ? > is just amazing to see the capability of the language), it is
>? ? > difficult to imagine it as a mother tongue. Another aspect of
>? ? > evolution of the language is that different words in different
>? ? regions
>? ? > mean slightly different things and then there are different
>? ? jargons,
>? ? > which change the meanings with time and place and still are
>? ? classified
>? ? > under that language.
>? ? > e.g. in Hindi a similar-in-meaning sentence can be expressed in
>? ? > following ways and probably many more..
>? ? >
>? ? >
>? ? >
>? ? >
>? ? > 1. ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????
>? ? > 2. ??? ??? ???? ??? ???
>? ? > 3. ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??
>? ? > 4. ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??
>? ? >
>? ? > Not sure what would be sanskrit equivalents of these and how well
>? ? > would they convey the sense of informality. If you speak these
>? ? > sentences to Hindi speaking people almost everybody can
>? ? understand the
>? ? > meaning and sense of formality/closeness, these convey. If somebody
>? ? > speaks equivalent of these in Sanskrit, would all the
>? ? > Sanskrit-speaking people would have the same understanding. Of
>? ? course
>? ? > I have only given 4 variations but I am sure people can easily
>? ? come up
>? ? > with at least a dozen variations.
>? ? >
>? ? > I have heard that their are children who only speak sanskrit. I
>? ? wonder
>? ? > if there are such 6-7 year old children, only speaking sanskrit;
>? ? would
>? ? > they have the same amount of vocabulary and thought expression
>? ? > capability as other kids in the same age group, who e.g. know
>? ? English
>? ? > as their primary language. These kids can make presentations, make
>? ? > jokes, prepare project report, play games on the internet, make
>? ? > friends, pick a quarrel etc. Not sure how many of all these
>? ? varieties
>? ? > can be performed by only-sanskrit-speaking-kids.
>? ? >
>? ? > Mukesh
>? ? >
>? ? >
>? ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>? ? > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:32:54 -0700
>? ? > From: deejayvai...@yahoo.com
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>? ? > Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
>? ? > Census form
>? ? >
>? ? > For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually
>? ? > accurate statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
>? ? >
>? ? > I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other
>? ? > Indian languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
>? ? >
>? ? > I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank
>? ? > than the three languages mentioned above would be merely lying
>? ? on my
>? ? > part.
>? ? >
>? ? > It would be different if the census form had a field for "what
>? ? > languages would you like to speak in addition to your current
>? ? skills?"
>? ? > In that case I might consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of
>? ? > languages.
>? ? >
>? ? > Dhananjay
>? ? >
>? ? >
>? ? >
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