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1. Re: The meaning of JAYA (Sai)
2. Re: The meaning of JAYA (Vis Tekumalla)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 07:36:32 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] The meaning of JAYA
To: devadas menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Ok.
Let this discussion stop right here. No further mails on this topic
unless you exchange your ideas in sanskrit.
Thanks,
- Sai.
devadas menon uvaacha:
> what evidence is there that this was written 5,000 years ago?
>
>
>
> At 03:24 PM 5/2/04, peekayar wrote:
>
> >Mahabharatha was written more than 5000 years ago. Sankaracharya is
> >believed to have been
> >born about 1200 years ago. I shall now quote
> >from Mahabharatha Adi parva 1st adhyaaya.
> >Sloka 11
> >
> >kathitaashchaapi
> >vidhivad yaa
> >vaishampaayanena vai / shrutvaahaM taa
> >vichitraarthaaM mahaaabhaarata-saMshritaaH //
> >The word mahaabhaarata itself is used
> >in the Mahaabharatam. How does Sankaracharya
> >come here?
> >
> >P.K.Ramakrishnan
> >
> >
> >devadas menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Jaya was also supposed to be the original name of Mahabharatha when it had
> >just 28,000 verses or so. Apparently Jaya became Jayabharatha (200,000 +
> >versus) and during the time of Shankaracharya became Mahabharatha with
> >the number of versus as it is now.
> >
> >The details of this I read in a book called "Gita As it was".
> >
> >regds....devadas
> >
> >At 11:52 PM 5/1/04, peekayar wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Invocation before reciting Mahabharatha
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >naaraayaNaM namaskR^itya
> > >
> > >naraM chaiva narottamam .
> > >
> > >deviiM saraswatiiM chaiva
> > >
> > >tato jayamudiirayet ..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >naray[< nmSk«Ty
> > >
> > > nr< cEv nraeÄmm!,
> > >
> > >devI— srSvtI— cEv
> > >
> > > ttae jymudIryet!.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >One should commence reading JAYA after saluting Narayana, >prefix = st1
> > ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Nara,
> > >Narottama and Saraswatidevi.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Here the meaning of Jaya is given by every commentator as the story
> > >of victory of Dharma over Adharma.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >It has occurred to me for some time that Jaya here has an additional
> > >meaning as follows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >There is a system of using alphabets to indicate numbers. This is called
> > >the KATAPAYAADI system. In this
> > >
> > >each letter in Sanskrit is assigned a numerical value.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >kaadi nava - ka to jha are 1 to 9. jna = 0
> > >
> > >Taadi nava - Ta to dha are 1 to 9. na = 0
> > >
> > >paadi pancha - pa to ma are 1 to 5
> > >
> > >yaadi ashta - ya to ha are 1 to 8
> > >
> > >All independent vowels are 0
> > >
> > >In case of joint letters the second letter will decide the number.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >In the decimal system of numbering, a number acquires its true value
> > >depending on its position such as unit position, tenth position, hundredth
> > >position and so on. Any number will have at least one digit and it will
> > >be in the unit position.
> > >
> > >Other positions are innumerable going from right to left. Thus the first
> > >letter in a coded word signifies the unit position, the second the tenth
> > >position and so on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >As explained above ja in jaya denotes 8.
> > >
> > >So place this 8 in the unit position.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >ya in jaya denotes 1. So place 1 in the tenth position. Then we get the
> > >number 18 or eighteen for jaya.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >What is the significance of 18 in Mahabharatha.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >It has got 18 parvaas.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Gita is part of Mahabharatha. It has 18 chapters.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >The number of military divisions engaged in the war was 18.
> > >
> > >(11 on the Kaurava side and 7 on the Pandava side).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mahabharatha war lasted 18 days.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 07:29:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] The meaning of JAYA
To: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, devadas menon
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mahAbhArata-sangrAma-samaya-nirNaya vishaye sulekhAyAm prachurita Subhash Kak-BSV
PrasadayoH vyAsau kR^ipayA atra paThantu.
(Please read the two articles of Prof. Subhash Kak and Mr. B.S.V. Prasad published in
the Sulekha website on fixing the date of the Mahabharata War at the following two
links).
http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/column.asp?cid=305835
http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/column.asp?cid=305838
peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It is believed that Vyasa was the progenitor of
paandavas and kauravas. Mahabharatha war took
place at the end Dvaparayuga. He wrote the Mahabharata. May 2004 of Christian Era
corresponds to Kaliyuga 5105.
devadas menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
what evidence is there that this was written 5,000 years ago?
At 03:24 PM 5/2/04, peekayar wrote:
>Mahabharatha was written more than 5000 years ago. Sankaracharya is
>believed to have been
>born about 1200 years ago. I shall now quote
>from Mahabharatha Adi parva 1st adhyaaya.
>Sloka 11
>
>kathitaashchaapi
>vidhivad yaa
>vaishampaayanena vai / shrutvaahaM taa
>vichitraarthaaM mahaaabhaarata-saMshritaaH //
>The word mahaabhaarata itself is used
>in the Mahaabharatam. How does Sankaracharya
>come here?
>
>P.K.Ramakrishnan
>
>
>devadas menon wrote:
>Jaya was also supposed to be the original name of Mahabharatha when it had
>just 28,000 verses or so. Apparently Jaya became Jayabharatha (200,000 +
>versus) and d uring the time of Shankaracharya became Mahabharatha with
>the number of versus as it is now.
>
>The details of this I read in a book called "Gita As it was".
>
>regds....devadas
>
>At 11:52 PM 5/1/04, peekayar wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Invocation before reciting Mahabharatha
> >
> >
> >
> >naaraayaNaM namaskR^itya
> >
> >naraM chaiva narottamam .
> >
> >deviiM saraswatiiM chaiva
> >
> >tato jayamudiirayet ..
> >
> >
> >
> >naray[< nmSk«Ty
> >
> > nr< cEv nraeÄmm!,
> >
> >devI— srSvtI— cEv
> >
> > ttae jymudIryet!.
> >
> >
> >
> >One should commence reading JAYA after saluting Narayana, >prefix = st1
> ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Nara,
> >Narottama and Saraswatidevi.
> >
> >
> >
> >Here the meaning of Jaya is given by every commentator as the story
> >of victory of Dharma over Adharma.
> >
> >
> >
> >It has occurred to me for some time that Jaya here has an additional
> >meaning as follows.
> >
> >
> >
> >There is a system of using alphabets to indicate numbers. This is called
> >the KATAPAYAADI system. In this
> >
> >each letter in Sanskrit is assigned a numerical value.
> >
> >
> >
> >kaadi nava - ka to jha are 1 to 9. jna = 0
> >
> >Taadi nava - Ta to dha are 1 to 9. na = 0
> >
> >paadi pancha - pa to ma are 1 to 5
> >
> >yaadi ashta - ya to ha are 1 to 8
> >
> >All independent vowel s are 0
> >
> >In case of joint letters the second letter will decide the number.
> >
> >
> >
> >In the decimal system of numbering, a number acquires its true value
> >depending on its position such as unit position, tenth position, hundredth
> >position and so on. Any number will have at least one digit and it will
> >be in the unit position.
> >
> >Other positions are innumerable going from right to left. Thus the first
> >letter in a coded word signifies the unit position, the second the tenth
> >position and so on.
> >
> >
> >
> >As explained above ja in jaya denotes 8.
> >
> >So place this 8 in the unit position.
> >
> >
> >
> >ya in jaya denotes 1. So place 1 in the tenth position. Then we get the
> >number 18 or eighteen for jaya.
> >
> >
& gt; >
> >What is the significance of 18 in Mahabharatha.
> >
> >
> >
> >It has got 18 parvaas.
> >
> >
> >
> >Gita is part of Mahabharatha. It has 18 chapters.
> >
> >
> >
> >The number of military divisions engaged in the war was 18.
> >
> >(11 on the Kaurava side and 7 on the Pandava side).
> >
> >
> >
> >Mahabharatha war lasted 18 days.
> >
> >
> >
> >P.K.Ramakrishnan
> >
> >
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