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Today's Topics:
1. saMyamya -- yes; saMyaMya -- no; samyamya -- no (Jay Vaidya)
2. Re: Re: Vedic question (Ambujam Raman)
3. Re: Re: Vedic question (Vis Tekumalla)
4. Re: Re: Vedic question (Ambujam Raman)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:16:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] saMyamya -- yes; saMyaMya -- no; samyamya -- no
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Vis gaaru wrote:
> samyamya (arrest him) - is saMyaMya correct?
> vamsa (lineage) - is vaMsa correct?
>
> Any simple no-trip rules for these?
dishhTyaa vardhate bhavAn anusvAravishhaye
kaThinatamasya (-) udAharaNasya pR^ichchayaa |
Congratulations on asking about the most difficult
example regarding anusvAras.
The correct forms are
(i) saMyamya/(optional)sayNyamya, (where 'yN' stands
for the anunAsika 'y', i.e., 'y' with chandra-bindu).
One of the 'm' follows anusvAra/parasavrNa rules, the
second ignores them completely.
(ii) vaMsha -- This one follows the usual
anusvAra/parasavarNa rules, which happen to state
"anusvAra only".
Your difficult question is: What makes the first in
'saMyamya' an anusvAra/parasavarNa option and the
second a simple 'm'?
The answer can either be failsafe OR simple BUT not
both! Here is the simple version.
The anusvAra and visargasandhi rules are not
applicable to most (but not all) pratyayas
(terminations) that start with a 'y' or with a vowel.
anusvAra example: 'viramya' (having stopped)
'vi-ram+ya' -> if anusvArasandhi WRONG: viraMya or
virayNya
'ya' is a pratyaya and starts with 'y'. Ignore all
anusvArasandhi rules. CORRECT: viramya
visarga example: 'tejasA' (with brilliance) from
'tejas+A' -> if visarga sandhi WRONG: tejavA or teja-A
'A' is a pratyaya and starts with a vowel. Ignore
visargasandhi rules. CORRECT: tejasA
Some other sandhi rules are also ignored in this
position.
Elsewhere anusvAra/parasavarNa etc. rules are
applicable.
I have discussed the "usual" anusvAra rules
comprehensively in a previous email (April 7, 2004).
Those interested may please look them up on the list
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:45:52 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: Vedic question
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dhanyavaad vis! rochaniiyam!!
maamudakena taadaya = maaM udakena taadaya = maa udakena taadaya
(maaM (ekavachanam dvitiiya) = maa.. But cannot be used at the beginning of a
sentence (padaat (Panini 7.1.17)).
maa udakena taadaya = modakena taadaya is OK sandhi-wise but is unPaninian!
Is this what Rao is calling unPaninian?
He writes
They would
have said "maa' modake'na tiitaDiiH"
That will be :
maa' modake'na tiitaDiiH= maa' maa udake'na tiitaDiiH (Vedic) = maa maaM udakena
taaDaya (classical) taking into consideration the accents. (The first maa is the
prohibitive). Panini cannot object since he is not violated!
etad samyak kim? bho raomayashayaH!
Raman
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: Vedic question
Or, was it - "maa udakena taaDaya"
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:39:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: Vedic question
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I don't know if Mr. Rao was referring to "maa" in the front being unPaninian or the
declension on the dhatu taD? Also, please check Mr. Ramakrishnan's mail; that has a
more plausible statement. I was just responding to your kathametat query:-)
Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:dhanyavaad vis! rochaniiyam!!
maamudakena taadaya = maaM udakena taadaya = maa udakena taadaya
(maaM (ekavachanam dvitiiya) = maa.. But cannot be used at the beginning of a
sentence (padaat (Panini 7.1.17)).
maa udakena taadaya = modakena taadaya is OK sandhi-wise but is unPaninian!
Is this what Rao is calling unPaninian?
He writes
They would
have said "maa' modake'na tiitaDiiH"
That will be :
maa' modake'na tiitaDiiH= maa' maa udake'na tiitaDiiH (Vedic) = maa maaM udakena
taaDaya (classical) taking into consideration the accents. (The first maa is the
prohibitive). Panini cannot object since he is not violated!
etad samyak kim? bho raomayashayaH!
Raman
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Or, was it - "maa udakena taaDaya"
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:55:57 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Re: Vedic question
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Some ladies while bathing started splashing waters on one of them. She exclaimed:
maa udakaih taadayata = modakaih taadayata.
Some modakas ( issues of a kshatriya father and shuudra mother) bathing nearby heard
it and came and beat her up!
Next occassion while she was bathing with those ladies she started splashing waters
on them. Noticing no modakas were around. they exclaimed.
maa udakaih taadayata = modakaih taadayata. = mo dakaih taadayata = mah dakaih
taadayata
She forthwith got some poison in water ( mah = poison, dakam= water) and splashed it
on them and they died. Sweet revenge!
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