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1. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 11 puraana-purusha could
be puurusha (hn bhat)
2. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 11 Thanks for the grammar
lessons (hn bhat)
3. Re: Pronunciation of 'Sa' (Karthikeyan Madathil)
4. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 11 puraana-purusha could
be puurusha (Sai Susarla)
5. Re: Pronunciation of 'Sa' (Vis Tekumalla)
6. Re: easy (short) sanskrit readings (Mehul Choube)
7. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 11 puraana-purusha could
be puurusha (Balaji)
8. Another beautiful imagination of the occasion of the marriage
of Lakshmi (hn bhat)
9. Another beautiful imagination of the hot summer in the dense
forest (hn bhat)
10. Re: Pronunciation of 'Sa' (Shreyas P. Munshi)
11. Meaning for ishhyate (anupam srivatsav)
12. Uddanda (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:30:04 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 11
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> I think in line 1 the last word should be dhavate and not dhavite?
Balaji, I am sorry to say no. It could be, but it is not. It is in the
locative, in contrast with vidraati. When he approaches and when he runs
away is the structure. In the first, the present tense is implied, compared
to the other. Thank you for your suggestion. But it is Murari's usage.
similarly puraana-purusha could be puurusha
>
> ?????-????? could be ?????-?????
>
>
Dear Ramakrishnan Sir,
No it could be, but it should be "?????-?????" as pointed by you. Otherwise,
the meter would be defective by one "maatraa" Thanks for pointing it and
sorry for my inadvertence during typing in.
With regards
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Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:55:59 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 11 Thanks for
the grammar lessons
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> But pronunciation of Sha does not need curving the tip of the tongue
> upward isn't it?
Dear Sai,
I don't know how you came to this conclusion. In IShTa it is clear that it
is assimilated with Ta in its position, like nish-chaya. Both have the same
place of articulation mentioned. I can feel, the places according to my
Karnataka pronunciation, very well, as it it needs turning back to touch the
middle position of the roof of the mouth as the others Ta and its cognates
do. otherwise it will be little difficult. ?nl
This is my experience. Maybe individual preference may differ, there is no
instruction regarding this specifically in grammar.
And, for your information, thee are to ra- consonants, one similar to Sha
and the other to sha in its positioning of the tongue. This is present in
both Tamil and Malayalam languages today. Even the other one was thee in the
alphabet of Kannada and possibly in that of Telugu, it is not present in
modern day usage. It is pronounced in the same place "murdhan" as stated in
the maxim - . "?-??-?-????? ??????" as quoted by you in your lesson.
Anyhow. thank you for your remark and for the lessons offered.
With regards
>
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Pronunciation of 'Sa'
> I agree with Sri Nath Rao on 'sa' and 'sha/Sa'. But pronunciation of Sha
> does not need curving the tip of the tongue upward isn't it?
>
> The difference between sa, sha and Sha seems to be based on which part of
> the tongue to constrict against the corresponding portion of the palate. tip
> of tongue near the teeth is 'sa', middle of tongue near the middle the
> palate is 'sha' and base of tongue near the base (close to the soft palate)
> is Sha. You don't need to curve the tongue backward for any of these.
>
> Here is the progression of pronunciation according to laghu siddhaanta
> kaumudii (See my vyAkaraNa vaibhavam part 4):
>
> L^i tu la saanaam dantaaH
> (L^i, ta varga, la and sa are pronounced with the tip of the tongue very
> close/touching the palate just behind the teeth).
> i chu ya shaanaaM taalu
> (i, cha varga, ya and sha are pronounced with the middle portion of the
> tongue touching/coming close to the taalu (top of the palate)
> R^i Tu raShaaNaam mUrdhaa
> (R^i, Ta varga, ra and Sha are pronounced with the mUrdhaa (roof of
> mouth/edge of the soft palate?)
> The curious thing is, R^i, Ta Tha Da Dha Na and ra all need curving of the
> tongue backwards.
> But Sha just needs constriction of tongue against mUrdha, but not curving
> it back.
>
> Sai.
>
>
> -
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:33:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Karthikeyan Madathil <kmadat...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Pronunciation of 'Sa'
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Sha as I pronounce it does have the the tip of the tongue curved as with the
other mUrdhA/cerebrals. Another regional difference?
In spoken Malayalam (and hence in Malayali-pronounced Sanskrit), "ra" is more
tAlavya than mUrdhanya, unless it's part of a conjunct, in which case it's
sounded as a mUrdhanya (to my ear at least). There is a seperate "Ra", which is
always an honest-to-goodness mUrdhanya.
Karthik
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From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Sent: Fri, 20 November, 2009 12:10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Pronunciation of 'Sa'
I agree with Sri Nath Rao on 'sa' and 'sha/Sa'. But pronunciation of Sha does
not need curving the tip of the tongue upward isn't it?
The difference between sa, sha and Sha seems to be based on which part of the
tongue to constrict against the corresponding portion of the palate. tip of
tongue near the teeth is 'sa', middle of tongue near the middle the palate is
'sha' and base of tongue near the base (close to the soft palate) is Sha. You
don't need to curve the tongue backward for any of these.
Here is the progression of pronunciation according to laghu siddhaanta kaumudii
(See my vyAkaraNa vaibhavam part 4):
L^i tu la saanaam dantaaH
(L^i, ta varga, la and sa are pronounced with the tip of the tongue very
close/touching the palate just behind the teeth).
i chu ya shaanaaM taalu
(i, cha varga, ya and sha are pronounced with the middle portion of the tongue
touching/coming close to the taalu (top of the palate)
R^i Tu raShaaNaam mUrdhaa
(R^i, Ta varga, ra and Sha are pronounced with the mUrdhaa (roof of mouth/edge
of the soft palate?)
The curious thing is, R^i, Ta Tha Da Dha Na and ra all need curving of the
tongue backwards.
But Sha just needs constriction of tongue against mUrdha, but not curving it
back.
During my lesson, I had pointed out that 'ra' is put under mUrdhaa varNas,
which means it's to be pronounced like the Americans pronounce r.
- Sai.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Nath Rao <ra...@osu.edu> wrote:
Sumalatha Majeti wrote:
>>> I come from Andhra and I have been wanting to know why we have three 'sa
>>> Sa Sha ' in our script. The pronunciation for these are [ the way we
>>> are taught]
>>>
>>> sa - as in saguna
>>> Sa - as in Sakuni
>>> Sha - as in ruShi
>>>
>>> I was talking to one of my Kannada friends and he was teasing that
>>> Telugu and Tamil people pronounce Shiva as siva and that is wrong. I
>>> want to know what is correct according to sanskrit so that I can correct
>>> myself and my kids also on this, if needed.
>
>Actually, confusion of the sibilants is rife all over India. I have seen
>>very good Sanskrit scholars from the north confuse 'Sa' and 'Sha'. Lot
>>of Prakrits collapsed all three into 'sa'. So it is not just Tamilians
>>(who might have borrowed 'siva' from a Prakirt rather than Sanskrit).
>
>>Anyway, 'sa' is the most familiar: the tip of your tongue almost touches
>>your teeth. For 'Sa', the flat top of your tongue touch the roof of your
>>mouth; sah 'cha' and then reduce the contact between the tongue and
>>palate. For 'Sha', the tip of your tongue curves back and touches the
>>roof of your mouth.
>
>>Try saying 'nishchaya' and 'iShTa' and you should be able to feel the
>>difference.
>
>>Regards
>Nath Rao
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:59:12 +0530
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 11
puraana-purusha could be puurusha
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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I have a request to the grammar scholars on this list. When talking about a
vibhakti rUpam, can you please use the Sanskrit terms instead of (or in
addition to) the english ones? Some of us (like me) are clueless about
english names for vibhaktis - such as locative etc. Moreover, this is a
sanskrit list and we're supposed to popularize the Sanskrit terms.
- Sai.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think in line 1 the last word should be dhavate and not dhavite?
>
>
> Balaji, I am sorry to say no. It could be, but it is not. It is in the
> locative, in contrast with vidraati. When he approaches and when he runs
> away is the structure. In the first, the present tense is implied, compared
> to the other. Thank you for your suggestion. But it is Murari's usage.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:52:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Vis Tekumalla <vistekuma...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Pronunciation of 'Sa'
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Sai garu:
I was just watching a children's singing program on Zee TV and one of the
judges, Mr. Madhavapeddi Suresh, brought up this pronunciation problem that a
girl had. He demonstrated the differences in?pronouncing the sa, Sa, and sha
and asked the girl to just practice saying "saamavedam shanmukha Sarma"
correctly and she can easily get over her problem. His name has all three - sa,
sha, and Sa:-)
...Vis Tekumalla
vistekuma...@yahoo.com
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Pronunciation of 'Sa'
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 1:40 PM
I agree with Sri Nath Rao on 'sa' and 'sha/Sa'. But pronunciation of Sha does
not need curving the tip of the tongue upward isn't it?
The difference between sa, sha and Sha seems to be based on which part of the
tongue to constrict against the corresponding portion of the palate. tip of
tongue near the teeth is 'sa', middle of tongue near the middle the palate is
'sha' and base of tongue near the base (close to the soft palate) is Sha. You
don't need to curve the tongue backward for any of these.
Here is the progression of pronunciation according to laghu siddhaanta kaumudii
(See my vyAkaraNa vaibhavam part 4):
L^i tu la saanaam dantaaH
(L^i, ta varga, la and sa are pronounced with the tip of the tongue very
close/touching the palate just behind the teeth).
i chu ya shaanaaM taalu
(i, cha varga, ya and sha are pronounced with the middle portion of the tongue
touching/coming close to the taalu (top of the palate)
R^i Tu raShaaNaam mUrdhaa
(R^i, Ta varga, ra and Sha are pronounced with the mUrdhaa (roof of mouth/edge
of the soft palate?)
The curious thing is, R^i, Ta Tha Da Dha Na and ra all need curving of the
tongue backwards.
But Sha just needs constriction of tongue against mUrdha, but not curving it
back.
During my lesson, I had pointed out that 'ra' is put under mUrdhaa varNas,
which means it's to be pronounced like the Americans pronounce r.
- Sai.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Nath Rao <ra...@osu.edu> wrote:
Sumalatha Majeti wrote:
> I come from Andhra and I have been wanting to know why we have three 'sa
> Sa Sha ' ?in our script. The pronunciation for these are [ the way we
> are taught]
>
> sa - as in saguna
> Sa - as in Sakuni
> Sha - as in ruShi
>
> I was talking to one of my Kannada friends and he was teasing that
> Telugu and Tamil people pronounce Shiva as siva and that is wrong. I
> want to know what is correct according to sanskrit so that I can correct
> myself and my kids also on this, if needed.
Actually, confusion of the sibilants is rife all over India. I have seen
very good Sanskrit scholars from the north confuse 'Sa' and 'Sha'. Lot
of Prakrits collapsed all three into 'sa'. So it is not just Tamilians
(who might have borrowed 'siva' from a Prakirt rather than Sanskrit).
Anyway, 'sa' is the most familiar: the tip of your tongue almost touches
your teeth. For 'Sa', the flat top of your tongue touch the roof of your
mouth; sah 'cha' and then reduce the contact between the tongue and
palate. For 'Sha', the tip of your tongue curves back and touches the
roof of your mouth.
Try saying 'nishchaya' and 'iShTa' and you should be able to feel the
difference.
Regards
Nath Rao
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:52:03 +0530
From: "Mehul Choube" <mehul_cho...@symantec.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] easy (short) sanskrit readings
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namaskar Pankajji,
can you tell me the publisher of 'Devaprasthanika'? i live in Pune,
Maharashtra, India. i searched this book in local stores but no one
knows about this book. i also tried google but the search results in not
a single link. if you share the publisher i can check with them.
dhanyawad,
Mehul
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On Behalf Of Pankaj Gupta
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 AM
To: 'Sanskrit Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] easy (short) sanskrit readings
I found these resources to be useful:
1) Devaprasthanika has 1 page simplified stories based on Ramayan. I
found them very readable.
2) Sanskrit Sambodhini has a few stories at the end which were pretty
readable.
3) Elementary Sanskrit Grammar by Monier Williams had texts at the end
which are real text extracts, but very self contained and clean in
language. This might be slightly more involved than 1) and 2).
I would appreciate a list of such resources as well.
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On Behalf Of DAVID MITCHELL
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 2:03 PM
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Subject: [Sanskrit] easy (short) sanskrit readings
I have Lanman, Hitopadesha and Ramopakhyana at home but are there any
simple (maybe one page long) stories that I could read? I don't have a
lot of time in my schedule but I would like to read something daily that
I can actually finish (and thus feel that I'm acomplishing something).
If not, a web site/book with short stories ranging from 1 paragraph to 1
page stories would be an excellent idea for those of us who have a
little experience, but not enough to inch our way through long stories.
Thank you,
David Mitchell
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:33:50 -0000
From: "Balaji" <bal...@balaji27.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 11
puraana-purusha could be puurusha
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Dear Bhatji,
I agree with you now. It is used as sati saptami and not as a verb.
Regards
Balaji
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From: hn bhat
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55,Issue 11 puraana-purusha
could be puurusha
I think in line 1 the last word should be dhavate and not dhavite?
Balaji, I am sorry to say no. It could be, but it is not. It is in the
locative, in contrast with vidraati. When he approaches and when he runs away
is the structure. In the first, the present tense is implied, compared to the
other. Thank you for your suggestion. But it is Murari's usage.
similarly puraana-purusha could be puurusha
?????-????? could be ?????-?????
Dear Ramakrishnan Sir,
No it could be, but it should be "?????-?????" as pointed by you. Otherwise,
the meter would be defective by one "maatraa" Thanks for pointing it and sorry
for my inadvertence during typing in.
With regards
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:55:44 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Another beautiful imagination of the occasion of
the marriage of Lakshmi
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Another beautiful imagination of the occasion of the marriage of Lakshmi,
immediately after the churning of the Ocean based on the pun of the words
(highlighted) used:
????? ?? ?? ?????? ???????????? ?????????????????????
????? ?? ?? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????????? ?????
??????????? ?????????? ????????????? ?????????
????? ???????????? ?? ? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????
Don?t get depression. (?????? =Also Shiva, who devoured the Halahala
poison);
Avoid air exerting out through the long exhalation (???????????? = the
swiftest Vayu, arrogant)
What is this great trembling? (???????? = who is Guru, Bruhaspati, the
priest of Deva-s for you. He is unstable mind or trembling due to old age.)
What have you to do with the yawning loosing your strength (?????? = the
arrogant Indra, the destroyer of the demon Bala)? Come here (to Vishnu);
Thus avoiding all the other gods, in the guise of consoling her to remove
her fear, the Ocean, giddy after the churning, gave Lakshmi to Vishnu. Let
that Vishnu protect you.
==========================
Notes: I have not followed the syntactic structure of Sanskrit in my
translation. The other meaning given in brackets, as they are expressed by
the same words.
[??????? = ?????, ??? ?? ?????? ??????????????? ??????? = ???????,
??????, ????? = ?????, ???????????, ????????? ?????? = ????????, ????????
?; ???? ???? = ??????????-?????? ???? ???]
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:51:32 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Another beautiful imagination of the hot summer in
the dense forest
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A beautiful description of nature in the hot summer in the deep forest
blended with poetic imagination:
========================================
???????? ???????? ???????????
???????????????-?????-??????????
???????????????????-???????-??????????
??????? ???????? ???? ????????????
As it is dry without a drop of water to mention, the trees in middle of the
forests heated by the intensive sunlight increasing during the mid-day,
yearn for water stretching their tongue out in the guise of the flames of
the forest fire rising up through the gaps of the stems.
In plain words, the forest-fire raising out through the gap available
between the trees in the dense forest is conceived as if they are asking for
water with their tongues stretched out. Hope you all enjoy the imagination
of the poet.
Note:
* As for the Alankara, it is expressively Apahnuti. which conceals the
nature of object concealed and described in another way more appreciable and
imaginatively.
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Message: 10
Date: 21 Nov 2009 09:05:21 -0000
From: "Shreyas P. Munshi" <shreyasmun...@rediffmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Pronunciation of 'Sa'
To: <kmadat...@yahoo.com>
Cc: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
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When I did my MA in linguistics some five years ago, we were told that the
phonetic description of Sha of Shatkon (hexagon)is voiceless reotroflex
fricative. For producing a retroflex, I reckon, the tongue must curl backwards.
Obviously this sound is different from 'sh' of 'shani' and 's' of 'sati', for
producing which the tongue does not curl backwards, as I
understand....Regards...Shreyas
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:00:19 +0530 wrote
>Sha as I pronounce it does have the the tip of the tongue curved as with the
>other mUrdhA/cerebrals. Another regional difference?In spoken Malayalam (and
>hence in Malayali-pronounced Sanskrit), "ra" is more tAlavya than mUrdhanya,
>unless it's part of a conjunct, in which case it's sounded as a mUrdhanya (to
>my ear at least). There is a seperate "Ra", which is always an
>honest-to-goodness mUrdhanya. KarthikFrom: Sai Susarla To: Sanskrit Mailing
List Sent: Fri, 20 November, 2009 12:10:17 AMSubject: Re: [Sanskrit]
Pronunciation of 'Sa'I agree with Sri Nath Rao on 'sa' and 'sha/Sa'. But
pronunciation of Sha does not need curving the tip of the tongue upward isn't
it?The difference between sa, sha and Sha seems to be based on which part of
the tongue to constrict against the corresponding portion of the palate. tip of
tongue near the teeth is 'sa', middle of tongue near the middle the palate is
'sha' and base of tongue near the base (close to the soft palate) is Sha. You
don't need to curve the tongue backward for any of these.
Here is the progression of pronunciation according to laghu siddhaanta kaumudii
(See my vyAkaraNa vaibhavam part 4):L^i tu la saanaam dantaaH (L^i, ta varga,
la and sa are pronounced with the tip of the tongue very close/touching the
palate just behind the teeth).
i chu ya shaanaaM taalu(i, cha varga, ya and sha are pronounced with the middle
portion of the tongue touching/coming close to the taalu (top of the palate)R^i
Tu raShaaNaam mUrdhaa(R^i, Ta varga, ra and Sha are pronounced with the mUrdhaa
(roof of mouth/edge of the soft palate?)
The curious thing is, R^i, Ta Tha Da Dha Na and ra all need curving of the
tongue backwards.But Sha just needs constriction of tongue against mUrdha, but
not curving it back.During my lesson, I had pointed out that 'ra' is put under
mUrdhaa varNas, which means it's to be pronounced like the Americans pronounce
r.
- Sai.On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Nath Rao wrote:
Sumalatha Majeti wrote:
> I come from Andhra and I have been wanting to know why we have three 'sa
> Sa Sha ' in our script. The pronunciation for these are [ the way we
> are taught]
>
> sa - as in saguna
> Sa - as in Sakuni
> Sha - as in ruShi
>
> I was talking to one of my Kannada friends and he was teasing that
> Telugu and Tamil people pronounce Shiva as siva and that is wrong. I
> want to know what is correct according to sanskrit so that I can correct
> myself and my kids also on this, if needed.
Actually, confusion of the sibilants is rife all over India. I have seen
very good Sanskrit scholars from the north confuse 'Sa' and 'Sha'. Lot
of Prakrits collapsed all three into 'sa'. So it is not just Tamilians
(who might have borrowed 'siva' from a Prakirt rather than Sanskrit).
Anyway, 'sa' is the most familiar: the tip of your tongue almost touches
your teeth. For 'Sa', the flat top of your tongue touch the roof of your
mouth; sah 'cha' and then reduce the contact between the tongue and
palate. For 'Sha', the tip of your tongue curves back and touches the
roof of your mouth.
Try saying 'nishchaya' and 'iShTa' and you should be able to feel the
difference.
Regards
Nath Rao
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:11:53 +0530
From: anupam srivatsav <anupam.srivat...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Meaning for ishhyate
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Dear Friends,
Namaste. I like to know the dhaatu (along with the meaning too) of
the padam: 'ishhyate'.
With regards,
Anupam.
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:05:50 +0530 (IST)
From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <peeka...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Uddanda
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uddandh
paradanda-bhairava bhavad-yaatraasu jaitra-shriyo
hetuH
keturatiitya suuryasaraNim gacchan nivaaryastvayaa /
no ched
tatpuTasampuTodaralasat shaarduulamudraadravat
saarangam
shashibimbameshyati tulam tvat preyasiinaam mukhaiH //
Uddanda
Shastri was not his real name.
He
belonged to Kanchiipuram. His patron
was the
Zamorin of Calicut in Kerala.
The above
is a shloka praising him which
he uttered
when he met him first. After
this he
came to be known as Uddanda.
Meaning:
Hey Destroyer of your enemies!
You should
stop the going up of your flag
staff in
your victory march going up to the path
of the
sun. If not on seeing the emblem of
the tiger
on the flag, the deer on the moon
will run
away and then the moon will become
blemish
less and will be equal to the faces of
your beloveds.
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