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Re: [l2] [Poetry] Sahitya vaibhavaM - part 1 The Dice Play - Vakrokti verses of Mayura 01 (hn bhat) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:56:25 +0000 From: "Vasuvaj ." <vasu...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] A requesy, please To: <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <snt115-w10447264085b81f0fa5ba4a3...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Namaste. 'svaagatam bhavate sri aacaarya' ?svaagatam te sri aacaarya' The above sentences are not 100% correct. The correct form will be: svaagatam bhavate shrimate aacaaryaaya ?svaagatam te shrimate aacaaryaaya OR svaagatam bhavate , shriman aacaarya svaagatam te , shriman aacaarya [ sambodhana roopam ie vocative form] The translation will mean - Oh master, welcome to you. This can also be written as: shriman aacaarya, svaagatam bhavate shriman aacaarya, svaagatam te ----- 'svaagatam te jagatguru' is grammatically wrong. It should be : 'svaagatam te jagatgurave OR 'svaagatam te jagatgurO [ sambodhana -vocative- form of the word 'jagatguru] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:19:36 +0530 From: krishnan_sank...@yahoo.co.in To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Subject: [Sanskrit] A requesy, please My friend is planning a 'swagata patrike' in connection with his revered Aacaarya He is wondering what of the following is to be employed (a) 'svaagatam bhavate sri aacaarya' or (b) ?svaagatam te sri aacaarya' He feels that (a) is to be used. But I mentioned that I have come across announcements in local newspapers with the text 'svaagatam te jagatguru' when Sri Sankaraachaarya graced our area. Any guidance on which to be employed? Thanks S. Krishnan----------------- The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! 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To: mahabharata_st...@yahoogroups.com, hariva...@yahoogroups.com, sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Message-ID: <145993.15155...@web95106.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ??? ??? ????????? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????????????? ???? ??? ???????? ???????????????????? ????????? ????????????? ????? ???? ???????? ??? ????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ???????? ?????. ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ???????????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ?????????? ????? ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ??????????? The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:23:06 -0500 From: Naresh Cuntoor <nares...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] [Admin] Font issues To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <f4ce5f9f0912171823k59bc09f1l925d43b971e29...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear members, A rather long mail.. but please read. 1. Font, transliteration, 'cannot-see-devanagari' problem .. As you know, one can receive mails in two ways: individual mails (i.e., as they are posted) or as a daily digest. If (a) you are subscribed in individual mail mode and (b) your browser is unicode-able (i.e., a reasonably recent version of IE, Firefox, etc. The list does NOT include text-based browsers like pine, mutt) , then you should not have a problem in seeing devanagari / transliterated fonts. If you meet both conditions (a) and (b), and still are unable to see devanagari / transliterated font, then we can take the discussion on a one-on-one basis. Now, to those who are subscribed in daily digest mode: As I have mentioned previously, this *IS* a problem with the list we are using. I have tried some changes to the list settings to make it work. To the vast majority, it still does not work. Peopleae are not able to see devanagari fonts rendered correctly in daily digest mode. Also, when people who are subscribed in daily digest reply to a thread, all subsequent discussions will contain ???? and not the original font. This is irrespective of whether you receive mails in individual mode or daily digest mode. In summary: if all people participating in a discussion use individual mail mode, then devagari font is rendered correctly. (assuming all browsers are unicode-compliant, which is true in general). On the other hand, consider the following scenario: Devadatta who is subscribed in individual mail mode starts a thread. The mail contains devanagari. Chaitra receives in *daily digest* and replies to the thread. Devadatta (and everybody else) will see ??? in Chaitra's reply. All subsequent discussions will contain ????. I hope the scenario explained above is clear. So what is the solution? There are two solutions. First, if you are an active participant on the list (reading or posting), change your settings to receive mails in individual mode. If you are worried about flooding yeen our inbox, you could create a folder/label and direct all mails that contain '[Sanskrit]' in the subject list. This will happen automatically and you are free to browse at leisure. How do I create folders/labels? That depends on your email client. Look at the help pages. Or second, we could move to a google group or such. We might do that at some point in the future. The move will certainly not be a panacea. There is no telling what sort of changes google or yahoo can make. Yahoo, in particular, has been particularly prone to making changes. Also, remember that we will not be able to get a 'sanskrit' name for a googlegroup. Sanskrit, samskritam, etc. are all taken there. Naresh vaak. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091217/e44c8aeb/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:39:03 -0500 From: Naresh Cuntoor <nares...@gmail.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] [Admin] Posting frequency + Email control To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <f4ce5f9f0912171839n224ead1fr3de5474f0b341...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear all, 1. Post frequency Recently, as Sai pointed out, shlokas were being posted too frequently for people to keep pace. So he suggested limited the number of emails. It looks like that suggestion has had a seriously undesirable effect in that emails have flowed to a trickle. (Emails complaining about font issues do not count). Some of you have written to me about the paucity of emails as well. So with that in mind, we have to devise an alternate strategy. My suggestion for active posters is the following: post shlokas as part of a series. E.g., 'Vakrokti series', 'Poet appreciation series', 'shleSha series', etc. Please self-regulate the rate at which you post. For example, if the series contains simple shlokas, then you could post more frequently. If it involves some tricky wordplay, give it time. If a shloka is generating some discussion, then please wait for that discussion to end before moving on to the next one. You will note that I am not specifying any hard posting rates, i.e, one posting per two days etc. That ambiguity is intentional. I trust you, the active poster, to be able to judge the best rate. 2. Controlling emails received. There was a query saying "I want to receive posts of type X, say shlokas, and not posts of type Y, say vyAkaraNa". The short answer is this level of filtering at the list level is not practical. Yes, we have the tags, [L2] [L3] etc. But that works only if the original poster uses that diligently. The simplest solution is to receive emails in individual mode and delete discussions that you are not following. Look at the subject line or give it a quick glance and delete the mail. Naresh vaak.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091217/2d479eb0/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:56:01 -0500 From: jiva das <das.j...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9 To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu Message-ID: <dca0fef30912172256r24369bd5re31f188998b1d...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 20:19, <sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu> wrote: > Send sanskrit mailing list submissions to > sanskrit@cs.utah.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/sanskrit > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sanskrit-ow...@cs.utah.edu > > > 6. Re: Devanagari and Transliterations (rahul vedi) > > Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Devanagari and Transliterations > To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu > Message-ID: <760257.79091...@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > panditaaH > namo namaH > ? > I have been having trouble with the non-ASCII fonts on this list. > I had posted my problem sometime back but it fizzled out... > ? > I have not been able to read the UTF-8 aur other devnagari and/or > transliterated fonts. > It all shows as "question marks" ??? > ? > I have my computer settings and fonts installation correct as I do send and > recieve mail text in UTF-8 and Baraha and also sanskrit99/sanskrit2000 > fonts. > ? > May I suggest that till such time that this issue remains unresolved on > this list, we all should use Itrans (Itranslator code) such as a aa i ii u > uu etc. > I am sure that all memebers in the list are familiar with this method. > ? > bhavadiiyaH > raahula (Rahul) > ? > PS: the fonts problem is making me lose the wonderful posting on LSK by sri > Sai. > I hope to catch should the fonts issue be handled in a manner that we can > all "read" the contents. > > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:29:54 +0530 (IST) > > > The google system does not support > > devanagari in Discussion Pages. For those of us in the West, > > DN script appears as ??????????? only, even when Mangal or > > Sans2003 is installed in out fontFile. > > It's not just a western problem, actually.? But I've found that Gmail is > completely reliable for devanagari originating from anywhere: at least it > presents it properly to me and my other Gmail correspondents.? In Google > groups, I see some devanagari passages (and passages in other non-roman > scripts), while others get turned to garbage. > > The problem with Harvard-Kyoto is that it is actually not more universal than any script, in the sense that, at least in my experience, very few Indian sanskritists read it fluently -- I know I can't. jd: It is more universal as an application, in that the ~ symbol of iTrans does not index readily in many applications. As for learning HK, there can hardly be difficulty for anyone who has learned DN. There is a one-to-one correspondence of letters. The only real difficulties are z and S as the palatal and retroflex sibilants; and the nasals G and J, which are not any more obvious as ~N and ~n. ? For me and many, in the end, calligraphic aesthetics, and the authenticity of lifelong experience, wins out over numbers: one prefers to write in a script that looks like Sanskrit, even if it means that a large percentage of correspondents will be left with question marks. ... You can continue to write using the same letters you are used to and google will render the text correctly in devnagari. jd: Please explain further. ... Now if the advocacy of not using Google arises from not knowing devnagari script, then I would be gladly willing to share my time to help you understand the pronounciations of each devnagari letter(consonants , vowels and combinations). If its a confusion of what combination of roman characters bring about a proper representation of each akshar- then I will definitely help. Devnagari script is by far the ONLY script in the world that can truely represent nearly all possible pronunciations? with no ambiguities. Each letter is always represented by the same sound, irrespective of its position with the word w.r.t other letters. jd: Of course. All that HK does is to substitute Roman letters for the DN. ... For those who are interested, I would like to remind that the word for a letter/ character in devnagari is- Akshar- something that does not decay/ change/ degrade. Should we still insist on exchange of such great? knowledge by using a ill equipped script as roman ? jd: I would remind you that DN is only one version of ancient script. Brahmi is another. So it is not entirely a matter of Akshara. ... This insistence on using the poorly equipped roman alphabet for writing and discussing sanskrit reminds me of the story of the king who asked the athletes from visiting teams to run using crutches because his team was physically challenged !!! jd: It reminds me rather of the pole-vaulters who asked their visitors to use wooden poles because they did not know how to use fiberglass. ... From: Karthikeyan Madathil <kmadat...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Devanagari and Transliterations To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <101301.39038...@web39702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ITRANS is 100% ASCII, so it should be readable on any email client. The problem with Harvard Kyoto is that it looks unnatural to most non-academic Indians. I believe one of the goals of ITRANS was to remedy that. jd: This is a confusion of purposes. HK and iTrans are utility scripts, meant for conversion to DN using the readily available (and free) transcription machines. The great advantage of HK is that it indexes readily on google Desktop (an indispensable tool in my work, where I am dealing with the 35000 shlokas of Yoga-Vasishtha), whereas the tilde ~ mark causes problems). But I am not asking any particular transliteration--just some sort of transliteration for those of us who get ???? ??? ??? instead of om tat sat. Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:50:43 +0530 From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Devanagari and Transliterations To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <4b25d93b.6030...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" uttama dR^iShTaantaM, upendra mahodaya :-) ????? ?????????? ???????? ????? :-) If you're viewing gmail through windows, did you enable "complex scripts (indic etc.)" support in your windows xp? Otherwise, you'll only see ??????? characters regardless of installing Indic unicode fonts. To enable it, Control Panel -> Regional and Language Options -> "Languages" tab -> Turn on "Install files for complex script and ..." option and click ok. jd: This has always been enabled. I should make it clear that the problem exists only with Sanskrit Digest mailings, and I receive daily DN communications from other sources, without problem. I think this may be a problem with the setup at Utah. Perhaps the editor should consult the webmaster to see if it can be fixed. x?x jd -- santoSaH paramo lAbhaH satsaGgaH paramA gatiH | vicAraH paramaM jJAnaM zamo hi paramaM sukham || ??????? ???? ???? ???????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?????? 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URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091218/3086dc67/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:50:43 +0530 From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] [l2] [Poetry] Sahitya vaibhavaM - part 1 The Dice Play - Vakrokti verses of Mayura 01 To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <b1ef99310912190320m3d9873d2x5c708db015c61...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The poet Mayura and his works The poet Mayura renowned poet of the devotional poem SuryaShatakam was contemporary of Bana, the poet of Kadambari (a popular prose poem in Sanskrit) and according to the legends his father-in-law. One of the anthologies attribute the Shiva-Parvati samvada, in a short poem with Vakrokti verses is available as part of benediction. Legend about the episode that led him to the composition of this hundred verses is this. Bana was the Court Poet of Harsha Vardhana and Mayura was his father-in-law. Mayura was invited by the King to his kingdom and he was accomodated in a mansion opposite to that of Bana, his son-in-law, which he didn't know. At the day break, Mayura woke up to perform his daily rites and went up to the terrace to have fresh air. He saw a young lady coming out of her bed room and immediately the poet heart inside Mayura woke up and composed several erotic shloka-s describing the beautiful young lady in that state. After the day break, he came to know that it was his own daughter. By that time, Bana also had noticed this incident. Both cursed each other. Bana cursed him to get hold of leprosy and Mayura also cursed him in the same way. Thereafter, each composed a hundreds of shloka-s "sataka"-s. Bana composed Chandishatakam and Mayura, this Surya Shatakam.(This is not in in another version). Mayura, repenting on describing the erotic state of his own daughter, decided to perform *prayaschitta* himself. He set a piled wood and set fire and tied a swing above it sitting on which he composed these hundred verses. At the end of the composition of the last verse, the swing (uri) made of rope burnt completely and he was rescued by the Sun God himself from falling into the fire below. Thus he was relieved of the curse of leprosy and also the sin of describing his own daughter. (two versions also are seen). The context is Shiva trying to engage Parvati in dice play which she wants to avoid putting forward lame excuses. Of the total 7 verses, the first one is here: vijaye kushalas tryakShas nAhamanena krIDituM kShamA/ vijaye kushalo .asmi na tu tryakSho .akShadvayam idaM paaNau// =========== Parvati : Vijaya, the three-eyed (tryak?a = having three eyes (*ak?i*) and also having three dies *ak?a*) is very skilful. I cannot play with him. Shiva: I am skilful at winning, but do not have three dices (akshha also means dice), only two the dice in my hand. ***VijayA is the name of the female attendant sakHI of Parvati. She is addressing her in the vocative vijaye and by the word "tryakSha" she means Shiva,having three eyes (tri+akShi). She wanted to avoid playing with him because he is a skilled player. But the same sentence is taken in other way. "vijaye" is taken in the locative of vijaya = success, and tryakSha tri+akSha having three dices. In dice, there are only two dices and he doesn't have three as alleged by Parvati (to win by deceiving her?). ========================= Note: There are seven verses in total, given in the SubhAShitAvalI of Vallabhadeva and "alAnkaarasarvasva" of Ruyyaka under Vakrokti alankaara. *Vakrokkti* means deviation of normal speech, or literary or poetic language by itself distancing in that much from the normal usage of the words, as mentioned by Bhaamaha 'saiShaa sarvatra vakroktir anayaartho vibhaavyate" it is the basis of the all poetic creative works used mainly to formulate different figures of speech. Here for the sake of this alaMkaara, it has to be taken that the speech of one is deviated by the other from its normal course so as to evade the direct meaning. The same sentence is taken as meaning another thing and answered differently. Only in that much this figure of speech is limited. It may be by splitting or non-splitting of the words for the sake of deriving puns from the words (sabhanga and abhanga). In this, thee is no need of splitting the words differently to get the meaning, but the words themselves provide for the double meaning. I hope this is enough for digesting and enjoying slowly for the week. Rest in the next. With regards ========= **I have not used unicode fonts for the text in Devanagari, and english. But only I have given the text in the encoded roman text, so that it will not be digested into ???? making the interested readers impossible to read it. ================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091219/3af359ed/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:37:38 -0800 (PST) From: Desiraju Hanumanta Rao <desirajuh...@yahoo.com> Subject: [Sanskrit] MW dictioinary To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <325767.22345...@web113617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wish to inform that a friend of mine:? Kedarnath Jonnalagadda, B.Sc.(Agri.),M.Sc.(Genetics)CEO, Vaidika Gramam,B/4 Hermes Twins, 126 Nagar Road,Yerrawada, Pune - INDIA 411006.smartxp...@yahoo.com=========================has worked out some methods of deriving more-than-meaning-data using the addreviations? used by Monier Williams. Here is a brief: ==========================How to derive more than just meanings from Monier Williams Sanskrit English Dictionary Every word in any language has meaning. And meanings are not dead ends. They are means? for greater meaning. This greater meaning leads to concepts. And concepts are precursors?leading to higher level concepts. What am I talking about and how can one do all that ? It is in?fact very, very simple. Use Abbreviations used by Sir Monier Williams et. al. in 1899 This is possible if the dictionary were "bookmarked" intelligently - I attempted this - you need?to download the pdf and do it better yourself See [ a 36 page pdf] Introduction to this concept at Heritage-Literature-Examp le-Of-What-The-Common-Man -Can-Do-Part-1/2========================== These pages are available at:============================http://www.scribd.com/doc/19169608/000-Title-Preface-Abbreviations-Monier-Williams- Sanskrit-English-Dictionary-1899 http://tinyurl.com/kmjnup http://www.scribd.com/doc/19114451/Heritage-Literature-Example-Of-What-The-Common-Man-Can-Do-Part-12 ===================================== Apaert from this he has other literature on Sanskrit at the above urls: Learn Sanskrit Through Self Study AT2H - Science - Sanskrit Lords Sanskrit Discussions on Devabhasha Theory NASA Sanskrit Report NASA Sanskrit Report NASA Sanskrit Report NASA Sanskrit Report NASA Article on Artificial Intellegence Indo European Languages Sanskrit Day American county proclaims January 12 as Sanskrit Day Preface 1==================================interested members may please chek up at the above urls.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091219/4c663da8/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:57:06 +0530 (IST) From: Raghunathan Kuppusawmy <tskraghu2...@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] [l2] [Poetry] Sahitya vaibhavaM - part 1 The Dice Play - Vakrokti verses of Mayura 01 To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <587069.59554...@web94802.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ________________________________ From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com> To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Sent: Sat, 19 December, 2009 4:50:43 PM Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] [l2] [Poetry] Sahitya vaibhavaM - part 1 The Dice Play - Vakrokti verses of Mayura 01 The poet Mayura and his works The poet Mayura renowned poet of the devotional poem SuryaShatakam was contemporary of Bana, the poet of Kadambari (a popular prose poem in Sanskrit) ?and according to the legends his father-in-law. One of the anthologies attribute the Shiva-Parvati samvada, in a short poem with Vakrokti verses is available as part of benediction.? Legend about the episode that led him to the composition of this hundred verses is this. Bana was the Court Poet of Harsha Vardhana and?Mayura?was his father-in-law.?Mayura?was invited by the King to his kingdom and he was accomodated in a mansion opposite to that of Bana, his son-in-law, which he didn't know. At the day break,?Mayura?woke up to perform his daily rites and went up to the terrace to have fresh air. He saw a young lady coming out of her bed room and immediately the poet heart inside?Mayura?woke up and composed several erotic shloka-s describing the beautiful young lady in that state. After the day break, he came to know that it was his own daughter. By that time, Bana also had noticed this incident. Both cursed each other. Bana cursed him to get hold of leprosy and?Mayura?also cursed him in the same way. Thereafter, each composed a hundreds of shloka-s "sataka"-s. Bana composed Chandishatakam and?Mayura, this Surya Shatakam.(This is not in in another version).?Mayura, repenting on describing the erotic state of his own daughter, decided to perform?prayaschitta?himself. He set a piled wood and set fire and tied a swing above it sitting on which he composed these hundred verses. At the end of the composition of the last verse, the swing (uri) made of rope burnt completely and he was rescued by the Sun God himself from falling into the fire below. Thus he was relieved of the curse of leprosy and also the sin of describing his own daughter. (two versions also are seen). The context is Shiva trying to engage Parvati in dice play which she wants to avoid putting forward lame excuses. Of the total 7 verses, the first one is here: vijaye kushalas tryakShas nAhamanena krIDituM kShamA/ vijaye kushalo .asmi na tu tryakSho .akShadvayam idaM paaNau// =========== Parvati : Vijaya, the three-eyed (tryak?a = having three eyes (ak?i) and also having three dies ak?a) is very skilful.?I cannot play with him.? Shiva: I am skilful at winning, but do not have three dices (akshha also means dice), only two the dice in my hand. ***VijayA is the name of the female attendant sakHI of Parvati. She is addressing her in the vocative vijaye and by the word "tryakSha" she means Shiva,having three eyes (tri+akShi). She wanted to avoid playing with him because he is a skilled player. But the same sentence is taken in other way. "vijaye" is taken in the locative of vijaya = success, and tryakSha tri+akSha having three dices. In dice, there are only two dices and he doesn't have three as alleged by Parvati (to win by deceiving her?). ========================= Note: There are seven verses in total, given in the SubhAShitAvalI of Vallabhadeva and "alAnkaarasarvasva" of Ruyyaka under Vakrokti alankaara.? Vakrokkti means deviation of normal speech, or literary or poetic language by itself distancing in that much from the normal usage of the words, as mentioned by Bhaamaha 'saiShaa sarvatra vakroktir anayaartho vibhaavyate" it is the basis of the all poetic creative works used mainly to formulate different figures of speech.? Here for the sake of this alaMkaara, it has to be taken that the speech of one is deviated by the other from its normal course so as to evade the direct meaning. The same sentence is taken as meaning another thing and answered differently. Only in that much this figure of speech is limited. It may be by splitting or non-splitting of the words for the sake of deriving puns from the words (sabhanga and abhanga). In this, thee is no need of splitting the words differently to get the meaning, but the words themselves provide for the double meaning. I hope this is enough for digesting and enjoying slowly for the week. Rest in the next. With regards ========= **I have not used unicode fonts for the text in Devanagari, and english. But only I have given the text in the encoded roman text, so that it will not be digested into ???? making the interested readers impossible to read it.================= The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/pipermail/sanskrit/attachments/20091219/b636a262/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:27:49 +0530 From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] [l2] [Poetry] Sahitya vaibhavaM - part 1 The Dice Play - Vakrokti verses of Mayura 01 To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <b1ef99310912210757w31f9846xd0f5f5da5c468...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Here is the second installment of Vakrokti verses of Mayuura: (2 and 3); Parvati: > vasurahitena kR^IDaa bhavataa sahaa kiidR^ishii? Na jihreShi? What sort of play (kIdR^ishI) with you who is not having any money (to > stake)? Aren?t you ashamed? (to call me to play without anything to bet) Shiva: kiM vasubhir namato .amuun suraasuragaNaan pashya me/ [Why do you want vasus? See the gods and demons are prostrating before me? ](Also this can be interpreted as What? See the gods and demons prostrating before me with the vasu-s. (either wealth brought as tributes or along with the Vasu-s) (In the same token, he decries her accusation that he is without wealth). ] *=================================* *Note: * The pun lies in the word *vasu* which means money or riches and also a set of eight Gods. The names of the Vasu-s, according to the VishNu-PurANa, are 1. Apa [connected with {ap} "' , `" water "'] 2. Dhruva, the Pole-star 3. Soma , ?the Moon "' 4. Dhava or Dhara 5. Anila , ? Wind "' 6. Anala or Paavaka , `" Fire "' 7. Pratyusha , the Dawn "' 8. Prabhaasa , `" Light "' but their names are variously given in different vedic sources and PurANa-s. Once these were cursed by some sage to be born on earth and by courtesy of the sage, on apologizing, they were relieved immediately on their birth of the curse except the last one Prabhaasa. These were born in Gangaa (the river Ganges, assuming human form) whom the Kuru king Shantanu married on the condition that he should not any of her acts. She gave birth to 7 children and immediately threw the children into the waters of the river Ganges. When she was about to throw the last one also, he questioned her why she did so. Immediately, she disappeared with the child and departed him for long duration. After some years, he saw a young man and was happy to recognize him as his son from Gangaa, who also appeared there to return his son to him. This was Prabhaasa, the last of the Vasus, who became popular as BhiiShma and had to witness the whole of Mahabharata war, till the end of his life. Rest in next. Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R. EFEO, PONDICHERRY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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