Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-09-06 Thread Jim Meyering
 - the ikiwiki package is installed and basically configured on frontend.

 Thank you Karl for doing this work!  It's awesome!

Belated, but I just have to chime in:  Thanks, Karl!



Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-08-28 Thread Karl Berry
I thought the copyright line was still needed to prepare for the case

You may be right, but then it seems like there should be some text about
that.  I find CC0 extremely confusing in many ways, and its usage is
never clearly spelled out, that I've seen ...

k



Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-08-27 Thread Aljosha Papsch
Am Montag, den 26.08.2013, 22:24 + schrieb Karl Berry:
 I'm fine with some savannah-ish style in theory, but I'd like to
 concentrate on getting the basic functionality working first.
 I'll come back to this.

Thanks!

 BTW, stating Copyright and CC0 are mutually exclusive.  The whole
 point of cc0 is waiving copyright.  CC doesn't make it easy to find
 (last time I looked), but I believe the recommended text is:
 
   To the extent possible under law, Your Name has waived all copyright
   and related or neighboring rights to Your Program.
   This work is published from: Your Country.
   http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/

I thought the copyright line was still needed to prepare for the case
when section 2 is invalidated somewhere and that section 2 overrides the
copyright line (where the waiver is applicable). I guess I've been
wrong.

I just changed the license header, so you can come back to the file
whenever you come back to it: http://codepad.org/O1A9Cc5y 

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Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-08-26 Thread Aljosha Papsch
Am Montag, den 26.08.2013, 00:36 + schrieb Karl Berry:
 As Aljoscha pointed out, ikiwiki has lots of bells and whistles.
 I haven't done anything along those lines.

About that: I remade the little stylesheet:
http://codepad.org/haLiNIHY
It's not much, just a few lines of border, spacing, color settings (imo
this is trivial work, but I added the copyright line nevertheless).  It
resembles the default Savannah style, so it would be nice to see it used
(and/or improved).

style.css says:
 /* Note that instead of modifying this style sheet, you can instead
edit
  * local.css and use it to override or change settings in this one.
  */
local.css can also reside in the repository, if desired.

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Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-08-26 Thread Bob Proulx
Karl Berry wrote:
 - the ikiwiki package is installed and basically configured on frontend.

Thank you Karl for doing this work!  It's awesome!

Bob



Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-08-25 Thread Karl Berry
Current status: I've converted and imported all the substantive content
into the ikiwiki.  I don't doubt that there are plenty of broken links
around, mostly but not entirely broken in the original wiki too.

You can get at the pages by checking out the subversion (yes,
subversion) repository from the administration project.  The basic
format is markdown.

There's no automatic update on commit yet.  Hence there is also no web
editing.  After doing a commit, I've been manually refreshing the wiki
on frontend, like this (as myself; presumably it works as root too):
  ikiwiki --setup /usr/local/share/sviki/ikiwiki.setup --refresh

I'll see what I can do about those things tomorrow, and try to describe
more of the basic setup.  Meanwhile, let me know if you see any
unexpected problems.

As Aljoscha pointed out, ikiwiki has lots of bells and whistles.
I haven't done anything along those lines.

karl



[Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-08-23 Thread Karl Berry
Bob and I have been working on the wiki breakdown.  Here's what's done:
- the ikiwiki package is installed and basically configured on frontend.

- it is connected to the subversion source repository in the
  administration project, https://savannah.gnu.org/svn/?group=administration.
  (More details another time.)

- the html for our pages (there are about 150, most short) are
  saved in that svn repo; they aren't visible on our web site yet, though.
  I retrieved them by hand from the Wayback Machine, starting from
  
http://web.archive.org/web/20130818055223/http://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/FrontPage
 
  It had all the actual content that I remember ever being there.

Here are my next steps:
- write something to convert that dumped html to markdown; then at least
  we'll have the documentation online again.  I hope to get the basic
  task done in the next day or two.

- set up a post-svn-commit hook so that commits automatically cause the
  wiki to be updated.  Also set up email on commit.

- enable editing through the web.

Obviously much more to say/document eventually, but that's the current
state.  The wiki content itself is also badly, sadly, madly stale.

By the way, neither Bob nor I could find a way to extract the actual
text from Zope's Data.fs file.  The provided fsdump tool gives a text
transcription of it:
  env PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/zope2.10/lib/python \
/usr/lib/zope2.10/bin/fsdump.py \
/var/lib/zope2.10-20120719/instance/default/var/Data.fs | head 

But this seemed to just report transactions, referring to opaque data
pointers.  No actual content.  We found lots of people asking questions
about it on the web, but no usable answers.  If Zope was actually
running, it would be possible to export the objects (pages) in various
ways, but of course, we can't get Zope to start.

Hence the brute force save from wayback.  Yay for wayback.  They did
better backups than anything we had ...

karl



Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-08-23 Thread John Sullivan
Can pandoc help you with the conversion?
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Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] our wiki status

2013-08-23 Thread Karl Berry
Can pandoc help you with the conversion? 

Nice thought, but when I tried it, it seems pandoc does too good of a
job :).  There is lots of zwiki boilerplate in the dumps that we just
want to ignore, and conversely, we want to add [[WikiLinks]] and such.
Ok, I could preprocess it away, but ... overall, the dumps are quite
regular, so I think regexps will do the job.  I'll keep pandoc in mind
for complicated pages though.  Thanks.