Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2012-01-03 Thread John Sullivan
Michael J. Flickinger mjfl...@gnu.org writes: On 12/24/11 6:46 PM, Tomasz Konojacki wrote: Provided Savannah's maintainers have the capacity, projects running on Replicant may be hosted on Savannah. Projects having dependencies on non-free software, such as proprietary software drivers or

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-24 Thread Karl Berry
non-free software, such as proprietary software drivers or AndroidOS, are not permissible. Shouldn't there be for instead of or? Drivers and the kernel are two different things. At least conceptually.

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-24 Thread Michael J. Flickinger
On 12/24/11 6:46 PM, Tomasz Konojacki wrote: Provided Savannah's maintainers have the capacity, projects running on Replicant may be hosted on Savannah. Projects having dependencies on non-free software, such as proprietary software drivers or AndroidOS, are not permissible. Shouldn't there be

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-22 Thread Richard Stallman
Do we have enough personnel and machine capacity on Savannah to handle all the projects that want hosting and DO run on GNU? Magiadni would be more worthy of support if it will condemn the DNI as a form of tyranny. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-22 Thread John Sullivan
k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) writes: Here is the project description, from https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?11659: Magiadni is an Android application that uses the device's camera to read OCR data on Spanish identity cards, then calculates its check digit and displays it. This may

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-22 Thread Richard Stallman
Do we have enough personnel and machine capacity on Savannah to handle all the projects that want hosting and DO run on GNU? In practice, yes. In that case, we can also host packages that run on Replicant. But this one won't run on Replicant, because of the camera problem,

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-22 Thread Michael J. Flickinger
On 12/22/11 10:59 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: Do we have enough personnel and machine capacity on Savannah to handle all the projects that want hosting and DO run on GNU? In practice, yes. In that case, we can also host packages that run on Replicant. But this one won't

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-21 Thread Jacobo Nájera
On 20/12/11 22:20, Richard Stallman wrote: Should we accept software targeted for Android in GNU Savannah?. Can they run usefully on the GNU system? If not, they should not be in Savannah. I don't know the answer to that question. Andriod's API is quite different from the GNU system,

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-21 Thread Martin Pool
On 21 December 2011 10:34, Karl Berry k...@freefriends.org wrote: On the other hand, rms's essay (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/android-and-users-freedom.html) concludes Android remains effectively nonfree.  Which implies we shouldn't do any hosting. That essay covers a lot of ground, and

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-21 Thread Karl Berry
Should we accept software targeted for Android in GNU Savannah?. Can they run usefully on the GNU system? So it's not enough if it runs on Replicant? If they could run usefully on GNU if GNU is running on a phone or tablet, that makes them ok, even if they would not be

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Tomasz Konojacki
Hi! Good question, I was wondering about it too. In my opinion, if Android is free software (its source code is publicly released under free license) we should allow projects that are depending on it. Of course, I'm not most competent person on earth to speak on this topic. I would be happy

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Tomasz Konojacki
By the way, is it allowed to depend on a gratis web service which is not Free software, such as the Google Maps API? I know the issue has come up before but I don't quite remember how it was solved. This is Karl's response to this issue: --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent:

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Karl Berry
By the way, is it allowed to depend on a gratis web service which is not Free software, such as the Google Maps API? I think there is a big difference between Flash and the Google Maps API. Flash is a format and free software can deal with it. There is nothing free about gmaps, it's

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Karl Berry
Should we accept software targeted for Android in GNU Savannah?. Currently there is https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?11659 I am not sure. On the one hand, fsf.org has a page about free software on Android: http://www.fsf.org/working-together/next-steps/free-software-for-android. That

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Tomasz Konojacki x...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: By the way, is it allowed to depend on a gratis web service which is not Free software, such as the Google Maps API? I know the issue has come up before but I don't quite remember how it was solved. This is Karl's

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Tomasz Konojacki x...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: Good question, I was wondering about it too. In my opinion, if Android is free software (its source code is publicly released under free license) we should allow projects that are depending on it. Of course, I'm

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Michael J. Flickinger
On 12/20/11 6:34 PM, Karl Berry wrote: Should we accept software targeted for Android in GNU Savannah?. Currently there is https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?11659 I am not sure. On the one hand, fsf.org has a page about free software on Android:

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Mario Castelan Castro
Alex Fernandez alejandro...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Tomasz Konojacki x...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: Good question, I was wondering about it too. In my opinion, if Android is free software (its source code is publicly released under free license) we should allow

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread John Sullivan
k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) writes: Should we accept software targeted for Android in GNU Savannah?. Currently there is https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?11659 I am not sure. On the one hand, fsf.org has a page about free software on Android:

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Richard Stallman
Should we accept software targeted for Android in GNU Savannah?. Can they run usefully on the GNU system? If not, they should not be in Savannah. I don't know the answer to that question. Andriod's API is quite different from the GNU system, but there might be an emulation layer allowing

Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
The question is not whether Android requires aditional software to be useful but whether it can be used with only free software, for otherwise Android-specific projects can't run on a fully free enviroment which is a requirement in GNU Savannah. A simple approach might be to do what

[Savannah-hackers-public] Projects for Android in GNU Savannah

2011-12-19 Thread Mario Castelan Castro
Hello. Should we accept software targeted for Android in GNU Savannah?. Currently there is https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?11659 on the pending projects queue. I have formerly approved similar projects (After asking on savannah-hackers-public [1]) before Android and Users' Freedom was published