Re: [SC-L] ACM Queue article and security education

2004-07-01 Thread Blue Boar
ljknews wrote: I think it will be properly considered when the most strict portion of the software world is using language X. I have used many programs where the flaws in the program make it clear that I care not one whit about whether the authors of that program have opinion about anything I mig

Re: [SC-L] ACM Queue article and security education

2004-07-01 Thread ljknews
At 9:10 AM -0700 7/1/04, Blue Boar wrote: >Language X may very well be a much better starting point, I don't know. I do believe >that it will never be properly looked at until the whole world starts using it for >everything, though. I think it will be properly considered when the most strict p

RE: [SC-L] ACM Queue article and security education

2004-07-01 Thread Michael S Hines
I can just see an OS go into a wait state now while the VM/.NET or whatever does garbage collection; and the delays while the intermediate code is turned into executable code by the loaders. Not! HLL have given us portability (witness - *nix) but at some price of performance. The HW develop

Re: [SC-L] ACM Queue article and security education

2004-07-01 Thread Blue Boar
Peter Amey wrote: There are languages which are more suitable for the construction of high-integrity systems and have been for years. We could have adopted Modula-2 back in the 1980s, people could take the blinkers of prejudice off and look properly at Ada. Yet we continue to use C-derived langua

RE: [SC-L] ACM Queue article and security education

2004-07-01 Thread Peter Amey
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Michael S Hines > Sent: 30 June 2004 17:00 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SC-L] ACM Queue article and security education > > > If the state of the art in automobile design had progressed >

RE: [SC-L] ACM Queue article and security education

2004-07-01 Thread Michael Canty
I tend to wonder if I missed something along the way. When I left the friendly confines of school back in '84 and entered the wonderful world of "do or die" I was handed 2 sets of listings. One was only 8 inches high, the other was slightly over 15. Those were my 2 new systems and they were writt