Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-06 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, der Mouse escribió: I think over the past 40 years or so, as a discipline, we've failed rather miserably at teaching programming, period. Right. But on the other hand, that's not surprising - [because we've mostly not even _tried_ to teach programming, as opposed

[SC-L] Protecting users from their own actions

2004-07-06 Thread Kenneth R. van Wyk
Hi All, FYI... This topic has come up here a few times, so I thought that I'd send a pointer to my July eSecurityPlanet column (http://www.esecurityplanet.com/views/article.php/3377201 - free, no registration required). In the column, I take the seemingly unpopular view --at least in this

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-06 Thread Mark Rockman
You are not nuts. Your course outline is a very substantial step in the right direction. - Original Message - From: Dana Epp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fernando Schapachnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 16:42 Subject: Re: [SC-L] Education and security

RE: [SC-L] Protecting users from their own actions

2004-07-06 Thread Wall, Kevin
In Ken van Wyk's cited article at http://www.esecurityplanet.com/views/article.php/3377201 he writes... As I said above, user awareness training is a fine practice that shouldn't be abandoned. Users are our first defense against security problems, and they should certainly be educated

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-06 Thread Crispin Cowan
der Mouse wrote: Care to explain what do you think a 'programming course' should have that is not covered in SE or CS courses (or curricula)? A computer scientist is a theoretician. A software engineer is a designer. A programmer is an implementer. A computer scientist can prove you can't,