RE: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Gary McGraw
Hmm. Time to no longer use flawfinder, RATS, and ITS4. Throw them out and get a real tool. I cover this in gory detail in chapter 5 of Software Security. There's a pretty nice treatment of the history of these tools and the evolution of technology there. gem www.swsec.com www.cigital.com/~g

RE: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Gavin, Michael
-Original Message- >From: Crispin Cowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Gavin, Michael wrote: >> Yeah, statistics can allow you to say and "prove" just about anything. >> >> OK, showing my ignorance here, since I haven't checked out any of the >> LAMP source trees and reviewed the code: how m

Re: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Crispin Cowan
Gavin, Michael wrote: > Yeah, statistics can allow you to say and "prove" just about anything. > > OK, showing my ignorance here, since I haven't checked out any of the > LAMP source trees and reviewed the code: how much of the code making up > those modules is written in scripting languages vs. ho

RE: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Gary McGraw
Absolutely right. Spot on. gem -Original Message- From: Jeff Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue Mar 07 14:46:54 2006 To: 'Gavin, Michael'; 'Jeremy Epstein'; 'Kenneth R. van Wyk'; 'Secure Coding Mailing List' Subject:RE: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in ope

RE: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Jeff Williams
I'm a strong advocate of static analysis, but drawing conclusions about overall security based only on these tools is just silly. Even ignoring the scripting language problem, these tools simply aren't even looking for many of the types of problems that cause the most serious risks. They're great

RE: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Gavin, Michael
Yeah, statistics can allow you to say and "prove" just about anything. OK, showing my ignorance here, since I haven't checked out any of the LAMP source trees and reviewed the code: how much of the code making up those modules is written in scripting languages vs. how much of it is written in C, C

RE: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Jeremy Epstein
All of which proves that there are lies, damn lies, and statistics (the statistic being the lower bug density, which ignores the most potentially vulnerable parts of the system). > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin, Michael > Sent

RE: [SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Gavin, Michael
The Coverity product (Coverity Prevent) is a static source code analysis tool for C and C++, see http://www.coverity.com/library/pdf/coverity_prevent.pdf. It isn't actually scanning (or if it is, it isn't analyzing) any of the scripting code, as far I as can tell. Michael -Original Message--

[SC-L] ZDNET: LAMP lights the way in open-source security

2006-03-07 Thread Kenneth R. van Wyk
Interesting article out on ZDNet today: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/security/0,39044215,39315781,00.htm The article refers to the US government sponsored study being done by Stanford University, Symantec, and Coverity. It says, "The so-called LAMP stack of open-source software has a lower bu