Re: [SC-L] BSIMM3 lives

2011-10-22 Thread Greg Beeley
Gary, Could you clarify your (and/or the BSIMM) position on secure by design vs designed to be secure? You're encouraging the adoption of secure-by-design building blocks, as a part of SFD2.1, but then warning that designed to be secure != secure. I can think of examples/ways that what you've

Re: [SC-L] BSIMM3 lives

2011-10-20 Thread Kevin W. Wall
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Gary McGraw g...@cigital.com wrote: On 10/15/11 5:45 PM, Steven M. Christey co...@rcf-smtp.mitre.org wrote: 3) The wording about OWASP ESAPI in SFD2.1 is unclear: Generic open source software security architectures including OWASP ESAPI should not be

Re: [SC-L] BSIMM3 lives

2011-10-18 Thread Gary McGraw
hi steve and sc-l, Sorry for the delay in responding. I am just catching up after spending last week in Bloomington, Indiana. Some quick answers: 1) Was any analysis done to ensure that the 3 levels are consistent from a maturity perspective - for example, if an organization performed an

Re: [SC-L] BSIMM3 lives

2011-10-18 Thread Gary McGraw
software security right but big companies can. -Chris -Original Message- From: sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org [mailto:sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org] On Behalf Of Steven M. Christey Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:45 PM To: Gary McGraw Cc: Secure Code Mailing List Subject: Re: [SC-L

Re: [SC-L] BSIMM3 lives

2011-10-15 Thread Steven M. Christey
Gary, Congratulations to you, Brian, Sammy, and the rest of the BSIMM3 community! I have a few questions: 1) Was any analysis done to ensure that the 3 levels are consistent from a maturity perspective - for example, if an organization performed an activity at level 2, that there was

[SC-L] BSIMM3 lives

2011-09-27 Thread Gary McGraw
hi sc-l, BSIMM3 was just posted. You can download it from http://bsimm.com Since the first BSIMM interview in October 2008, we’ve progressed from 9 to 30 to 42 firms (and more, at this point). We’ve also measured 11 firms twice—with about 19 months between measurements on average—providing